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Klippie said:
My S had the two rear water hoses done a couple of services ago, I asked if the seals were nitrile or viton the latter lasting way longer as they don’t go hard over time plus typical Porsche over complicating joining two parts together were a compression band would give a much more secure fixing than a housing o-ring and retaining clip...and why not make it all out of plastic or better still stainless so the parts won’t corrode.
Agreed, however Its not the seals that fail. Cost basically. Other OEMs have been using worm drive or grenade clips for ages without fail. Seems Porsche have attempted to reinvent the wheel with these as they must be bloody expensive compared to a standard hose and clip.The hose ends are steel as opposed to alloy and moisture finds its way in and starts to corrode the male fittings. These then expand and blow the o-ring seals. This is why i've filled all the fitings with Waxoil before connecting and then sealed with Waxoil on the outside too.
Often the hoses corrode together and you cannot even separate them as you can see that 2 of mine had done. These were not even leaking, but they were obviously corrdied together as they were inseparable even with significant force.
The most frustrating thing about these hoses, is from the outside the fittings look mint. However as you can see , mainly at the 6 o'clock positions, they corrode quite badly. Any fitings covered by the underbody shields seem to survive quite well, but certainly the ones exposed by the front wheels are basically on borrowed time from the outset haha.
Edited by frayz on Tuesday 28th May 22:50
MCR5_WNA said:
That all makes sense. In some ways though it does seem crazy that what look to be well repaired cosmetics can reduce by a third/15k a car`s value. I`d still be seriously interested were it a pdk. Seems my legs are a bit long for a manual.
Just love that colour
I saw the original pictures some months back and it wasn't badly damaged at all - vandalised rather than crashed. I think its a great way into a Cayman R if the funds aren't so accessible, and you wouldn't want to be worried about throwing some mileage at it. That said, you could get a good S well within that budget and spend some money on mods to tailor it to your wants and needs and still probably be around the same cash spent - but without a Cat N identifier on it.Just love that colour
If someone walked up and offered me strong money for mine today (£45k), I'd let it go and take the chance on the Peridot one as I know I'd use it a lot more, have no concern on servicing it at a specialist rather than through Porsche (for provenance, not capability or trust), and not spend out on warranties etc which would buffer the cost of ownership vs depreciation. I'd intend to keep it for a long time too as having got one now, I need an R in my life long-term !!!!
frayz said:
Agreed, however Its not the seals that fail. Cost basically. Other OEMs have been using worm drive or grenade clips for ages without fail. Seems Porsche have attempted to reinvent the wheel with these as they must be bloody expensive compared to a standard hose and clip.
The hose ends are steel as opposed to alloy and moisture finds its way in and starts to corrode the male fittings. These then expand and blow the o-ring seals. This is why i've filled all the fitings with Waxoil before connecting and then sealed with Waxoil on the outside too.
Often the hoses corrode together and you cannot even separate them as you can see that 2 of mine had done. These were not even leaking, but they were obviously corrdied together as they were inseparable even with significant force.
The most frustrating thing about these hoses, is from the outside the fittings look mint. However as you can see , mainly at the 6 o'clock positions, they corrode quite badly. Any fitings covered by the underbody shields seem to survive quite well, but certainly the ones exposed by the front wheels are basically on borrowed time from the outset haha.
Good shout with the Waxoyl...I'll remember that when the time comes to replace all mine.The hose ends are steel as opposed to alloy and moisture finds its way in and starts to corrode the male fittings. These then expand and blow the o-ring seals. This is why i've filled all the fitings with Waxoil before connecting and then sealed with Waxoil on the outside too.
Often the hoses corrode together and you cannot even separate them as you can see that 2 of mine had done. These were not even leaking, but they were obviously corrdied together as they were inseparable even with significant force.
The most frustrating thing about these hoses, is from the outside the fittings look mint. However as you can see , mainly at the 6 o'clock positions, they corrode quite badly. Any fitings covered by the underbody shields seem to survive quite well, but certainly the ones exposed by the front wheels are basically on borrowed time from the outset haha.
Edited by frayz on Tuesday 28th May 22:50
s3 akr said:
I saw the original pictures some months back and it wasn't badly damaged at all - vandalised rather than crashed. I think its a great way into a Cayman R if the funds aren't so accessible, and you wouldn't want to be worried about throwing some mileage at it. That said, you could get a good S well within that budget and spend some money on mods to tailor it to your wants and needs and still probably be around the same cash spent - but without a Cat N identifier on it.
If someone walked up and offered me strong money for mine today (£45k), I'd let it go and take the chance on the Peridot one as I know I'd use it a lot more, have no concern on servicing it at a specialist rather than through Porsche (for provenance, not capability or trust), and not spend out on warranties etc which would buffer the cost of ownership vs depreciation. I'd intend to keep it for a long time too as having got one now, I need an R in my life long-term !!!!
Sounds to me like there`s a bit of you wishing you were driving your R a bit more often! If someone walked up and offered me strong money for mine today (£45k), I'd let it go and take the chance on the Peridot one as I know I'd use it a lot more, have no concern on servicing it at a specialist rather than through Porsche (for provenance, not capability or trust), and not spend out on warranties etc which would buffer the cost of ownership vs depreciation. I'd intend to keep it for a long time too as having got one now, I need an R in my life long-term !!!!
Why not advertise and see? Sounds like you`ve a great car and have looked after it and reading between the lines it sounds low milage. Reckon that Peridot may go at less than 30 too, so you may not even need 45 to give you the 15k buffer. I wouldn`t be surprised if they weren`t just looking to get shot of it, as I understand it was 30 from the insurance company before repairs. Perhaps they`d be ready to cut their losses. I`d be very tempted to make a cheeky offer if I was after a manual
BillyB said:
That “special” feeling was what I was missing from the 981 Boxster S I tried 2 weeks ago. The R had it though
I know what you mean - the R is a great car. I was lucky enough to try the 981 Cayman, Cayman S and Cayman GTS back to back at the PEC a few years back. Needless to say the GTS was easily the nicest car to drive and the only one I would have seriously entertained. Found myself mentally specing one to be like my R and thought - "what's the point? I already have an R!".Got back in it on the way home and savoured every moment. I loved that car, such a great bit of kit! Took a motorsport Porsche to get me out of it!
MCR5_WNA said:
Sounds to me like there`s a bit of you wishing you were driving your R a bit more often!
Why not advertise and see? Sounds like you`ve a great car and have looked after it and reading between the lines it sounds low milage. Reckon that Peridot may go at less than 30 too, so you may not even need 45 to give you the 15k buffer. I wouldn`t be surprised if they weren`t just looking to get shot of it, as I understand it was 30 from the insurance company before repairs. Perhaps they`d be ready to cut their losses. I`d be very tempted to make a cheeky offer if I was after a manual
Is the grass always greener ? (no pun intended!) I love the look of the white, but would absolutely like to use it more than I do - so I shall simply use it more! I'm not going to fret about the depreciation - I've done a lot worse and lost a lot more on cars having had 49 now! If I have this one for 5 years and lose as much as £10k, its still been a cheap car from that perspective - not that it will lose that much but I like easy maths.Why not advertise and see? Sounds like you`ve a great car and have looked after it and reading between the lines it sounds low milage. Reckon that Peridot may go at less than 30 too, so you may not even need 45 to give you the 15k buffer. I wouldn`t be surprised if they weren`t just looking to get shot of it, as I understand it was 30 from the insurance company before repairs. Perhaps they`d be ready to cut their losses. I`d be very tempted to make a cheeky offer if I was after a manual
Great day at Donington Park today, the car performed faultlessly and handled great. The set up by Centre Gravity felt lovely and it looked after its tyres well. The brake pedal feel leaves a bit to be desired with the Pagids. I think a master cylinder change is needed.
I’ve got some videos and more pictures in coming soon.
I’ve got some videos and more pictures in coming soon.
FTW said:
Great day at Donington Park today, the car performed faultlessly and handled great. The set up by Centre Gravity felt lovely and it looked after its tyres well. The brake pedal feel leaves a bit to be desired with the Pagids. I think a master cylinder change is needed.
I’ve got some videos and more pictures in coming soon.
Fit bigger brakes, not a MC ! The only reason the pedal gets long is heat as 5e brakes cannot cope. No cheap fix.I’ve got some videos and more pictures in coming soon.
FTW said:
Great day at Donington Park today, the car performed faultlessly and handled great. The set up by Centre Gravity felt lovely and it looked after its tyres well. The brake pedal feel leaves a bit to be desired with the Pagids. I think a master cylinder change is needed.
I’ve got some videos and more pictures in coming soon.
Can’t wait to see more. Looks great. I’ve got some videos and more pictures in coming soon.
Bigger stoppers and MC sounds like a plan. Get the GT3 ducts too as they’re too cheap not to fit. Haha.
ClioTrophy55 said:
Thought my Peridot R wasn’t quite green enough and so I’ve had “PDK Gear Surround in External Colour (Peridot Green)” fitted. What do people reckon? No doubt the car is faster now too!
Not to my taste personally but no doubt it’s gotta be 50hp up now. And who doesn’t like more green anyway. 
isleofthorns said:
Quick Ph advice...
Looking at a main dealer R... only issue putting me off is the no. of owners - at 6 previous, I’d be number 7!
Is that unusual or damaging to the value?
Im pretty sure I'm the 6th or 7th owner of mine.Looking at a main dealer R... only issue putting me off is the no. of owners - at 6 previous, I’d be number 7!
Is that unusual or damaging to the value?
It's mint and number of owners didn't bother me when buying it.
isleofthorns said:
Quick Ph advice...
Looking at a main dealer R... only issue putting me off is the no. of owners - at 6 previous, I’d be number 7!
Is that unusual or damaging to the value?
There is always an element of risk when buying a car, even a new one. But for what its worth I`d say that for this car 6 previous owners is at worst neutral. And at least from a main dealer you`ll get a proper warranty and be reassured by the fact that they`d be unlikely selling it if it weren`t a car they trusted in. Looking at a main dealer R... only issue putting me off is the no. of owners - at 6 previous, I’d be number 7!
Is that unusual or damaging to the value?
Which one is it?!
Six honeymoons could make for a very loved car. Perhaps drive it and and make sure it feels right for you before buying on a preconceived want.
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