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Porsche911R said:
It's about driving enjoyment, not being a passenger and having a chat ! You listen to the Flat 6.... And it's not about 4WD and grip.
if he likes the Golf R then he don't like driving, it's that simple, the Golf R 's are very dull one trick ponies I bet he also had a DSG one and prob also bought a PDK R. If he hates it sell it !! I do wonder why people keep cars they don't like ! it will have held better value than his Golf R so he can get back into one and maybe put some ££ in his pocket now the Golf's have dropped like a bomb.
I also bet it's got 10 year old PS2 on it, as there is plenty enough grip from a Super sport or PS4S on these cars.
Ok so wrong on all counts, but keep your hair on. I was making MY observations, please try not to get too precious about your car.if he likes the Golf R then he don't like driving, it's that simple, the Golf R 's are very dull one trick ponies I bet he also had a DSG one and prob also bought a PDK R. If he hates it sell it !! I do wonder why people keep cars they don't like ! it will have held better value than his Golf R so he can get back into one and maybe put some ££ in his pocket now the Golf's have dropped like a bomb.
I also bet it's got 10 year old PS2 on it, as there is plenty enough grip from a Super sport or PS4S on these cars.
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 6th September 12:00
In fact I'll edit more.
No not just passenger, and it certainly felt less balanced than the Boxster S I tested just before driving one. Less fun.
Tyres are brand new as it keeps breaking springs and destroying them
The engine note is simply a drone, you really have to cane it before it begins to have any sort of sporty note to it.
You assume he hates it, I simply said he regretted it.
You can remove the chip from your shoulder now and get back to smelling your Cayman seats.
Edited by Brads67 on Friday 6th September 13:30
Brads67 said:
I travel in a Cayman R a couple of times a week, and I'm sorry to say, I really don't like it. Would never buy one for sure.
The guy went from a Golf R and regretted it straight away. The porker is really unrefined and to me doesn't feel very well built.
Having to choose between conversation and listening to the radio started my dislike.
It's on Pilot sports and I feel a lack of grip, certainly compared with my old MX5 on semi race Yoko's
Not bad looking I suppose mind.
The guy went from a Golf R and regretted it straight away. The porker is really unrefined and to me doesn't feel very well built.
Having to choose between conversation and listening to the radio started my dislike.
It's on Pilot sports and I feel a lack of grip, certainly compared with my old MX5 on semi race Yoko's
Not bad looking I suppose mind.
Brads67 said:
Ok so wrong on all counts, but keep your hair on. I was making MY observations, please try not to get too precious about your car.
In fact I'll edit more.
No not just passenger, and it certainly felt less balanced than the Boxster S I tested just before driving one. Less fun.
Tyres are brand new as it keeps breaking springs and destroying them
The engine note is simply a drone, you really have to cane it before it begins to have any sort of sporty note to it.
You assume he hates it, I simply said he regretted it.
You can remove the chip from your shoulder now and get back to smelling your Cayman seats.
With respect, this thread is where Cayman R owners and prospective owners/previous owners discuss their cars, modifications to them etc. I am sure I'm not alone in saying that we don't really care if you like the R or not. It's clearly not the car for you. Some of your remarks are a bit daft but then I'm sure you know better than, say, the testers at EVO magazine whose summary of the Cayman R was "total handling excellence".In fact I'll edit more.
No not just passenger, and it certainly felt less balanced than the Boxster S I tested just before driving one. Less fun.
Tyres are brand new as it keeps breaking springs and destroying them
The engine note is simply a drone, you really have to cane it before it begins to have any sort of sporty note to it.
You assume he hates it, I simply said he regretted it.
You can remove the chip from your shoulder now and get back to smelling your Cayman seats.
Edited by Brads67 on Friday 6th September 13:30
Anyway, if you prefer an MX5 then good for you. We all have our preferences and that's great. As it happens I've driven a few MX5s, standard and otherwise and my personal opinion is that it is the most over-rated car on Pistonheads. Oddly I've never felt like popping up on one of the MX5 forums to say this as it would seem a totally bizarre and pointless thing to do....
911jon said:
All of 7.6K now... however, I have no a/c, so mine is also worthless 
I would love to drive that section of road. Definitely on my list!
It's a nightmare having these worthless cars, isn't it? I would love to drive that section of road. Definitely on my list!
Well, if you ever venture up this way then let me know! I'm always up for a blast in the car. Same goes to any other R owner who finds themselves up this way
Brads67 said:
Ok so wrong on all counts, but keep your hair on. I was making MY observations, please try not to get too precious about your car.
In fact I'll edit more.
No not just passenger, and it certainly felt less balanced than the Boxster S I tested just before driving one. Less fun.
Tyres are brand new as it keeps breaking springs and destroying them
The engine note is simply a drone, you really have to cane it before it begins to have any sort of sporty note to it.
You assume he hates it, I simply said he regretted it.
You can remove the chip from your shoulder now and get back to smelling your Cayman seats.
not sure what wrong on all accounts ?In fact I'll edit more.
No not just passenger, and it certainly felt less balanced than the Boxster S I tested just before driving one. Less fun.
Tyres are brand new as it keeps breaking springs and destroying them
The engine note is simply a drone, you really have to cane it before it begins to have any sort of sporty note to it.
You assume he hates it, I simply said he regretted it.
You can remove the chip from your shoulder now and get back to smelling your Cayman seats.
Edited by Brads67 on Friday 6th September 13:30
1: I don't own a Cayman R, not done for 18 months but have had 2 and done >30k miles in them, they are amazing drivers cars.
2: I bet he did not buy super sports or the like and bought 10 year old design PS2 's
3: why does he keep breaking springs, no one else does ?
4: It's a NA engine it designed to rev out not have tons of torque like a turbo car, that's the fun to get it up the revs.
no chip on my Shoulders, the Cayman R was voted best drivers car 2011, and it's a great car to drive.
I do drive and own a Golf but a proper 2WD manual one :-)
IF you like driving ask your mate for a drive, it may well convert you.
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 6th September 15:05
Brads67 said:
I travel in a Cayman R a couple of times a week, and I'm sorry to say, I really don't like it. Would never buy one for sure.
The guy went from a Golf R and regretted it straight away. The porker is really unrefined and to me doesn't feel very well built.
Having to choose between conversation and listening to the radio started my dislike.
It's on Pilot sports and I feel a lack of grip, certainly compared with my old MX5 on semi race Yoko's
Not bad looking I suppose mind.
Hi Brads67,The guy went from a Golf R and regretted it straight away. The porker is really unrefined and to me doesn't feel very well built.
Having to choose between conversation and listening to the radio started my dislike.
It's on Pilot sports and I feel a lack of grip, certainly compared with my old MX5 on semi race Yoko's
Not bad looking I suppose mind.
You are of course entitled to your opinions, though posting them in the Cayman R owners thread is somewhat deliberately provocative to say the least! It would seem that you are perhaps not actually 'sorry to say'. However, let me address your points in turn.
For me, the 250Kg heavier Golf R is a numb, electronically controlled experience. Competent, yes; involving, no. Of course, many drivers will prefer that, it is far more accessible for most. The more typical Cayman R buyer revels in the lack of refinement and the additional driver concentration and input required.
As for build quality, I have some considerable experience with many hundreds of cars (ex vehicle development industry) and am of the opinion that it is extremely well made. That does not mean that it is swathed in active noise cancelling systems, soft-touch plastics and electric toys, simply that the precision of the driver controls is excellent and the tolerances and compliance seem tight.
It's not a car for conversation or entertainment quality on a commute.... this is deliberate (sound damping reduced for lightness). You may be rather missing the point of such a vehicle.
I am a little bemused by the assertion that it lacks grip and find myself wondering what treatment of the car might induce such a sensation. There are few cars at any price with a lower C of G, it is unusually light and has substantial tyres/road contact area. I would suggest that the owner check the age and condition of the tyres.
One might almost suggest in this context that the Cayman R is a pearl of a car....
911jon said:
Hi Brads67,
You are of course entitled to your opinions, though posting them in the Cayman R owners thread is somewhat deliberately provocative to say the least! It would seem that you are perhaps not actually 'sorry to say'. However, let me address your points in turn.
For me, the 250Kg heavier Golf R is a numb, electronically controlled experience. Competent, yes; involving, no. Of course, many drivers will prefer that, it is far more accessible for most. The more typical Cayman R buyer revels in the lack of refinement and the additional driver concentration and input required.
As for build quality, I have some considerable experience with many hundreds of cars (ex vehicle development industry) and am of the opinion that it is extremely well made. That does not mean that it is swathed in active noise cancelling systems, soft-touch plastics and electric toys, simply that the precision of the driver controls is excellent and the tolerances and compliance seem tight.
It's not a car for conversation or entertainment quality on a commute.... this is deliberate (sound damping reduced for lightness). You may be rather missing the point of such a vehicle.
I am a little bemused by the assertion that it lacks grip and find myself wondering what treatment of the car might induce such a sensation. There are few cars at any price with a lower C of G, it is unusually light and has substantial tyres/road contact area. I would suggest that the owner check the age and condition of the tyres.
One might almost suggest in this context that the Cayman R is a pearl of a car....
Certainly an answer more inviting of discussion. Thanks for that.You are of course entitled to your opinions, though posting them in the Cayman R owners thread is somewhat deliberately provocative to say the least! It would seem that you are perhaps not actually 'sorry to say'. However, let me address your points in turn.
For me, the 250Kg heavier Golf R is a numb, electronically controlled experience. Competent, yes; involving, no. Of course, many drivers will prefer that, it is far more accessible for most. The more typical Cayman R buyer revels in the lack of refinement and the additional driver concentration and input required.
As for build quality, I have some considerable experience with many hundreds of cars (ex vehicle development industry) and am of the opinion that it is extremely well made. That does not mean that it is swathed in active noise cancelling systems, soft-touch plastics and electric toys, simply that the precision of the driver controls is excellent and the tolerances and compliance seem tight.
It's not a car for conversation or entertainment quality on a commute.... this is deliberate (sound damping reduced for lightness). You may be rather missing the point of such a vehicle.
I am a little bemused by the assertion that it lacks grip and find myself wondering what treatment of the car might induce such a sensation. There are few cars at any price with a lower C of G, it is unusually light and has substantial tyres/road contact area. I would suggest that the owner check the age and condition of the tyres.
One might almost suggest in this context that the Cayman R is a pearl of a car....
Tbh I saw a thread and had a read and posted an opinion. I totally get that people love a car but saying you don't doesn't make you a knowledge devoid tool.
I can't really put my finger on what I didn't like, I have tried explaining a couple of things but the over riding thing was a lack of the "fun" feeling I got when driving the Boxster.
I do have to say though, it is not a refined car, which I suppose I expected it to be.
The spring issue may well be part of that as there was a little harshness that I felt transferred into a lack of poise when starting to lose traction a bit. So maybe it isn't as well set up as it could have been.
But anyhoo, I wasn't looking for a fight, just an input.
Brads67 said:
Certainly an answer more inviting of discussion. Thanks for that.
Tbh I saw a thread and had a read and posted an opinion. I totally get that people love a car but saying you don't doesn't make you a knowledge devoid tool.
I can't really put my finger on what I didn't like, I have tried explaining a couple of things but the over riding thing was a lack of the "fun" feeling I got when driving the Boxster.
I do have to say though, it is not a refined car, which I suppose I expected it to be.
The spring issue may well be part of that as there was a little harshness that I felt transferred into a lack of poise when starting to lose traction a bit. So maybe it isn't as well set up as it could have been.
But anyhoo, I wasn't looking for a fight, just an input.
Something isn't right if he's breaking springs. I'd have that looked into as its not a common fault. I agree that its not a car for everyone. I've had a Golf R (5 door, manual) and I would agree that its a great car with plenty of feel and great handling combined with power, torque and refinement - a real best of both worlds.Tbh I saw a thread and had a read and posted an opinion. I totally get that people love a car but saying you don't doesn't make you a knowledge devoid tool.
I can't really put my finger on what I didn't like, I have tried explaining a couple of things but the over riding thing was a lack of the "fun" feeling I got when driving the Boxster.
I do have to say though, it is not a refined car, which I suppose I expected it to be.
The spring issue may well be part of that as there was a little harshness that I felt transferred into a lack of poise when starting to lose traction a bit. So maybe it isn't as well set up as it could have been.
But anyhoo, I wasn't looking for a fight, just an input.
My Cayman R wasn't bought to replace my Golf R, and for about 7 months had both. The PCR is used as a weekend toy more than as a daily, so it gets driven in different conditions (ie only me aboard - no kids or Mrs to be careful with), and on different journeys where I seek out the fun and twisty roads to use it the way in which its focus is aimed. As an example I drove from Colchester to Droitwich cross country and didn't touch motorway once. The Golf was used for family duties and as the daily driver. Its a car where we would go on a journey and go the quickest route - motorway, some cross country, etc, but I doubt I would have done that trip to Droitwich without motorways. If I came across a great road then it would play nicely but get noisy from the passenger seats if occupied! I wish I'd taken it for a proper schlep around North Wales but I didn't.
As an all rounder I don't think there is anything as accomplished as that Golf R for my personal tastes. As a focused sports car for the road and track, I think the Cayman R is fantastic and very hard to beat, but its not great on motorways - far too noisy and unrefined for that on anything like a regular basis!! ! I have been upto Wales twice for that summer schlep around in it - once alone, and once with a mate (HighwayStar on here) in convoy in his 981 CS, plus a blast around the Malverns and a Donnington track day.
My point is that as a focused car the PCR does a narrower range of things better than an all rounder like the Golf R. That said, the PCR isn't to everyone's taste though - and that's OK.
s3 akr said:
. As a focused sports car for the road and track, I think the Cayman R is fantastic and very hard to beat, [B]but its not great on motorways - far too noisy and unrefined for that on anything like a regular basis!![B] ! I have been upto Wales twice for that summer schlep around in it - once alone, and once with a mate (HighwayStar on here) in convoy in his 981 CS, plus a blast around the Malverns and a Donnington track day.
My point is that as a focused car the PCR does a narrower range of things better than an all rounder like the Golf R. That said, the PCR isn't to everyone's taste though - and that's OK.
I find my R perfectly civilised on the motorway, maybe that's because I came from 10 years in a heavily track modified 964, that was far from that!My point is that as a focused car the PCR does a narrower range of things better than an all rounder like the Golf R. That said, the PCR isn't to everyone's taste though - and that's OK.
Air con, Bluetooth, comfortable seats (buckets) cruise, tolerable stereo etc, all things my 964 lacked.
Of course its less comfortable than a 5 series or any designated motorway cruiser, but I certainly wouldn't call it unrefined
Morning.
A small update on the R. It’s currently sat in the hills above of Lake Como having a well earned rest having been to the ‘Ring, Davos, Stelvio and St Moritz.
Giro discs and 5mm front spacers have been a great addition. I’ll do a full write up when we get back. Two days at then Monza GP followed by a Spa trackday on the way back.
A small update on the R. It’s currently sat in the hills above of Lake Como having a well earned rest having been to the ‘Ring, Davos, Stelvio and St Moritz.
Giro discs and 5mm front spacers have been a great addition. I’ll do a full write up when we get back. Two days at then Monza GP followed by a Spa trackday on the way back.
New CR for sale at 911V..... looks stunning in Guards, can’t see this hanging around for long
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1007/Cayma...
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1007/Cayma...
chrisABP said:
New CR for sale at 911V..... looks stunning in Guards, can’t see this hanging around for long
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1007/Cayma...
My old car. It was a peach.http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1007/Cayma...
Slippydiff said:
chrisABP said:
New CR for sale at 911V..... looks stunning in Guards, can’t see this hanging around for long
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1007/Cayma...
My old car. It was a peach.http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1007/Cayma...
Slippydiff said:
chrisABP said:
Looks great in red! If I wasn't 6ft4 I would still have my white one but red suits the CR so well.
I’d imagine that was a bit of a tight squeeze with the carbon buckets Chris !!Separate note all together but I've always loved S1 Elise but whilst I can climb in without too much hassle the unsightly & ungraceful extraction method (basically falling out on to the floor!) rendered ownership a non-starter! LOL
chrisABP said:
Separate note all together but I've always loved S1 Elise but whilst I can climb in without too much hassle the unsightly & ungraceful extraction method (basically falling out on to the floor!) rendered ownership a non-starter! LOL
I'd suggest that had more to do with the copious quantities of alcohol you'd imbibed, than any shortfall in the design of the Elise Chris ?? ....Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff