Cayman R Chat

[Nineexcellence1]

All the Cayman R needs is front RSS Adjustable Arms and RSS Rear Toe Steer and geometry - not going to give our specs away but these cars handle like gokarts with the right set up - we have multiple Cayman R that are set up for Spa/Ring etc.

We have being using RSS for 8 years and never had a single issue with any of their arms, with at least over 100 cars using them on road and track.

[Slippydiff]

Porsche911R said:

which will be made in China 991.2 parts

What ?

Porsche911R said:

I had tarrett on my GT4, you deal with the owner, you buy direct, I had an issue , he sent out a new part straight away.

So you have had issues ....

Porsche911R said:

So RSS and Tarrett have been 100% perfect and sound for me. And you can buy spares and bearing also direct.

Tarett have been perfect for you ? What about the issue above ?

Porsche911R said:

You had issues with "Elephant" but tared the same bush stating RSS and Tarett were iffy ! when you have NOT used their parts.

I suggest you read my previous post (and repeat ad infinitum until such time as you actually processed what I've said ....)

Porsche911R said:

I don't use places like https://www.porscheshop.co.uk they seem the lower end of the market and don't really sell anything hi end I found.
RSS, Kline, Ohlins etc etc not on their site.

I've not purchased anything off Porscheshop. Ever. So your point is what ?

Porsche911R said:

you car sorry to say sounded like a lemon all told, and took a lot of work and a new engine to even be able to use it.

And your point is ? What is was previously, and what it is now are two very different things.

Porsche911R said:

But I would have no issue recommending RSS parts that's for sure, but they do cost a lot more.

So they cost more, and by your own admission you've had an issue with the Tarett components, AND from what you've said, you've replaced ball joints and spherical bearings in the other components you've run. If that's supposed to be a glowing reference, you'll have to excuse me, but I remain unconvinced.

Porsche911R said:

CUP parts well you pick and choose, but don't be fooled into thinking a 996 part still is available because it's not.

For the majority of owners looking to upgrade a 987, the standard 996/997 GT3/GT2 parts will be more than adequate, and when upgraded parts aren't available (such as rear toe links) use the Cup parts. The majority of the American stuff is The Emperor's New Clothes, or as you used to refer to it as, "Pointless bling"

Porsche911R said:

You cannot buy CUP part spares either, so totally unrebuildable.

I never said they could be serviced. But by your own admission, they're cheap because they're subsidised, so surely there's not much point splashing your cash on "pointless bling" ?

Anyway, how's that trade deal with Germany shaping up ? you know the one I'm referring to ? apparently you're going to negotiate it overnight on the 31st October

[gtsralph]

I had Tarett drop links fitted by Centre Gravity but the rod ends lasted 5k miles before they needed to be replaced due to wear. I replaced them with parts from Autosport Bearings, so my experience may support the view that the monoballs are their weak link.

[Porsche911R]

Slippydiff said:

Porsche911R said:

which will be made in China 991.2 parts

What ?

Porsche911R said:

I had tarrett on my GT4, you deal with the owner, you buy direct, I had an issue , he sent out a new part straight away.

So you have had issues ....

Porsche911R said:

So RSS and Tarrett have been 100% perfect and sound for me. And you can buy spares and bearing also direct.

Tarett have been perfect for you ? What about the issue above ?

Porsche911R said:

You had issues with "Elephant" but tared the same bush stating RSS and Tarett were iffy ! when you have NOT used their parts.

I suggest you read my previous post (and repeat ad infinitum until such time as you actually processed what I've said ....)

Porsche911R said:

I don't use places like https://www.porscheshop.co.uk they seem the lower end of the market and don't really sell anything hi end I found.
RSS, Kline, Ohlins etc etc not on their site.

I've not purchased anything off Porscheshop. Ever. So your point is what ?

Porsche911R said:

you car sorry to say sounded like a lemon all told, and took a lot of work and a new engine to even be able to use it.

And your point is ? What is was previously, and what it is now are two very different things.

Porsche911R said:

But I would have no issue recommending RSS parts that's for sure, but they do cost a lot more.

So they cost more, and by your own admission you've had an issue with the Tarett components, AND from what you've said, you've replaced ball joints and spherical bearings in the other components you've run. If that's supposed to be a glowing reference, you'll have to excuse me, but I remain unconvinced.

Porsche911R said:

CUP parts well you pick and choose, but don't be fooled into thinking a 996 part still is available because it's not.

For the majority of owners looking to upgrade a 987, the standard 996/997 GT3/GT2 parts will be more than adequate, and when upgraded parts aren't available (such as rear toe links) use the Cup parts. The majority of the American stuff is The Emperor's New Clothes, or as you used to refer to it as, "Pointless bling"

Porsche911R said:

You cannot buy CUP part spares either, so totally unrebuildable.

I never said they could be serviced. But by your own admission, they're cheap because they're subsidised, so surely there's not much point splashing your cash on "pointless bling" ?

Anyway, how's that trade deal with Germany shaping up ? you know the one I'm referring to ? apparently you're going to negotiate it overnight on the 31st October

I stand by every thing I have said, and nothing there is worth a response bar my tarett issue’s was the wrong part on my toe link, not a faulty or poor item, they sent me normal toe links not GT4 ones which are slightly longer, they sent me the middle longer adjusters free of charge no question asked, so not an issue with the part which I used and tracked.

As for the trade with Germany, The deal as expected has be voted for so again as expected there will not be a no deal.

[Porsche911R]

Nineexcellence1 said:

All the Cayman R needs is front RSS Adjustable Arms and RSS Rear Toe Steer and geometry - not going to give our specs away but these cars handle like gokarts with the right set up - we have multiple Cayman R that are set up for Spa/Ring etc.

We have being using RSS for 8 years and never had a single issue with any of their arms, with at least over 100 cars using them on road and track.

Good to know. As I said I can’t fault RSS and they would be my goto part.

[frayz]

Nineexcellence1 said:

All the Cayman R needs is front RSS Adjustable Arms and RSS Rear Toe Steer and geometry - not going to give our specs away but these cars handle like gokarts with the right set up - we have multiple Cayman R that are set up for Spa/Ring etc.

We have being using RSS for 8 years and never had a single issue with any of their arms, with at least over 100 cars using them on road and track.

Good to hear.
I’ve just ordered some SS trans mounts and bushes for mine. So the rear toe links are on my to do list.

Do the rear toe links make a noticeable difference in rear end feel or is it that they just allow the obvious geo adjustment?

[Nineexcellence1]

frayz said:

Good to hear.
I’ve just ordered some SS trans mounts and bushes for mine. So the rear toe links are on my to do list.

Do the rear toe links make a noticeable difference in rear end feel or is it that they just allow the obvious geo adjustment?

It is actually both to answer you.

Getting rid of understeer on any of these cars is easy ( normal arb changes / camber etc ) - the problem is that doing this can numb the feedback and what you don’t want is snap oversteer. When you set the toe to the optimal settings the problem is during high loads the toe deviation can be quite high and give unexpected results which you don’t want. The rear toe steer basically keeps the toe at the optimal level under high loads for maximum grip.

Also what you will find with other aftermarket dampers is that the Lower the car is , the harder it is to get the rear toe into spec with the desired camber.

[Porsche911R]

frayz said:

Good to hear.
I’ve just ordered some SS trans mounts and bushes for mine. So the rear toe links are on my to do list.

Do the rear toe links make a noticeable difference in rear end feel or is it that they just allow the obvious geo adjustment?

it stops rear steer under brakes and helps with wheel hop.

[philallan]

Looking at buying my first porsche and 1st Cayman r.

Would be coming from a 2016 FL A45. How would this compare. What are future values like, had the car bottomed in price now. (like my exige S)

Car I'm looking at is at redline performance in North Yorkshire.

[FTW]

philallan said:

Looking at buying my first porsche and 1st Cayman r.

Would be coming from a 2016 FL A45. How would this compare. What are future values like, had the car bottomed in price now. (like my exige S)

Car I'm looking at is at redline performance in North Yorkshire.

I bought my R from Redline and got a good deal in the end. They allowed for the car to have an inspection from a local OPC and funded a few 'problems' highlighted during the inspection (non-OEM battery, two front tyres etc). I also haggled on the asking price. I dealt with a chap called Jonny.

Good luck with your search!

[MrVert]

philallan said:

Looking at buying my first porsche and 1st Cayman r.

Would be coming from a 2016 FL A45. How would this compare. What are future values like, had the car bottomed in price now. (like my exige S)

Car I'm looking at is at redline performance in North Yorkshire.

They're as good a bet as anything at the moment, certainly will fare better than most cars as they've hardly changed in price in the last few yers. Saying that, they seem to have lowered by a couple of £k this year, but still way better than most due to the rarity of the R.

Do it, you won't regret it. In fact I'd say the only regret you'll have is not doing it sooner!

Great cars. One of the best I've owned.

[911jon]

philallan said:

Looking at buying my first porsche and 1st Cayman r.

Would be coming from a 2016 FL A45. How would this compare. What are future values like, had the car bottomed in price now. (like my exige S)

Car I'm looking at is at redline performance in North Yorkshire.

Hi Phil,

I would join with MrVert in encouraging you to buy one. I haven't dealt with Redline, but they have a good reputation.

For me, the Cayman R represents spectacular value at current values. Like MrV, I have driven many performance cars; this ranks with the very best as a driving experience. It's a bit of an overlooked gem in the Porsche world, largely due to the GT4 and the fact that many Porsche buyers only consider a 911. I think you are unlikely to lose any money on the car; you may even gain value if you keep it long enough. It's at the age where new car buyers think it is old hat and it's too recent to be viewed as a 'classic'. But one day it will.

The driving experience is very different to a modern hot hatch. This is due to two factors; a normally aspirated mid-engine and low weight/CofG. A Cayman R is 250Kg or so lighter than your A45. This imparts a delicacy and lightness to the handling and power delivery that is deeply satisfying for the keen driver. You will no longer have the thumping torque of a turbo unit, but there is huge fun and involvement in keeping the engine in the power band as you drive and you will find that with practice you can cover ground just as fast... or faster. I strongly prefer a manual for this for the full analogue driving experience.

Good luck!

Jon

Edited by 911jon on Tuesday 29th October 14:35

Edited by 911jon on Tuesday 29th October 16:18

[philallan]

Thanks for the information, I also have a S2 exige s 260 as a weekend toy. How would the r compare to this as I wouldn't want it to be as hardcore as the exige. Obviously build quality is on another level

[bigmowley]

philallan said:

Looking at buying my first porsche and 1st Cayman r.

Would be coming from a 2016 FL A45. How would this compare. What are future values like, had the car bottomed in price now. (like my exige S)

Car I'm looking at is at redline performance in North Yorkshire.

As a fairly recent convert to R life in my experience the bonding period took quite a while. As a serial Boxster, Cayman and GT3/4 owner I knew exactly what to expect from the Porsche family bit. Excellent engineering, good build quality etc etc.The engine is lovely and very rewarding it’s a proper high reving N/A unit rather than the torque filled turbo that your used to. Again it’s typically Porsche.

Initially I was very disappointed by the driving experience especially the steering and general feel of the car. However a trip to Centre Gravity sorted the bulk of that out along with a couple of very simple mods. Considering that my car came straight from the Porsche 111 point check that was unexpected. The good thing about an R and Porsche in general is that there is scope for you to adjust things to get them to how you like it. I think that they may be quite sensitive to tyres and set ups may vary depending on your tyre choice. I am a serial Cup 2 user and they work well on the R.

Some of the ergonomic interfaces are a bit last century, which might be a culture shock after a modern hot hatch. You soon get used to it though and the quirks become character.

The very limited number of cars compared to the current higher numbers of GT cars should protect future values and make it an interesting choice.

I am also a Lotus Elise owner along with a few other non Porsche toys so I think can make a considered judgement, And after 12 months of ownership in my view it’s a belter of a car. Good hunting.

[MrVert]

philallan said:

Thanks for the information, I also have a S2 exige s 260 as a weekend toy. How would the r compare to this as I wouldn't want it to be as hardcore as the exige. Obviously build quality is on another level

I also own an S1 Elise with a mate for track use & had an S2 111s way back.

If you think of a Cayman R as a 'grown up' Exige you won't be that far off.

No other car I have owned is as close to a Lotus in feel, you'll obviously notice the extra weight but the overall impression reminds me of the Lotus.

If you're looking, the R at JZM looks good to me. Bought and sold from them before and they only have the best cars in stock. I'd be all over that now if I was buying.

[Porsche911R]

philallan said:

Thanks for the information, I also have a S2 exige s 260 as a weekend toy. How would the r compare to this as I wouldn't want it to be as hardcore as the exige. Obviously build quality is on another level

having had an Elise and an Exige the pursuit for a drivers car like that has ruin my bank balance.

trying BMW, GT3,Nobles, I landed on a Cayman R and loved it to bits, then had a GT4, another GT3, infact 76 cars to date, I then bought another Cayman R and again sold that.

the car which is the closest to a Exige is a manual 987.2 Spyder as long as you don't spec 50kg of stuff back in it.

none of these cars are hardcore, is even a Exige hard core these days ? hard core is a Caterham 620R or an Atom !!!

I ran R's for 5 years as dailys, love them to bits, but just not quite as special as a 987.2 Spyder. but more usable of course hence I did 30k miles in them.

the new Evora looks a great car if you want a newer car, a 10 year old design which has been made lighter and lighter and got better and better, and now that 10 year old design sets it apart from the new stuff with PASM and EPS etc.
it's quitely gone from a 1437kg car with 336 BHP and poor build in SC form to a 1330kg 190mph car with 410BHP and better build.

Evora GT410 looks a hoot for a drivers car. Cayman R is a hoot, 987.2 Spyder just that little bit more special but not as usable.

best usable all round drivers car circa £40k def the R. (in manual) best car for 70k and fastest prob the Evora GT410 !! if you can forgo the buttons and inside of it ! one of the last passive drivers car for sale today. with top end prices creaping up on the low miles top spec R's close to £50k an £110k Evora for £70k starts to look better value I must say.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 30th October 09:18

[Andyoz]

Hi,

Very interesting thread here.

Any thoughts on this example: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

I've got a good feel for the various desirable options (I'm an non AC person) but I know you guys will be quicker to see 'things'...

I tend to buy privately and I actually drive my cars (weekends) so may as well start with a low miler...Apologies if the seller is here as don't want to step on any toes.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Edited by Andyoz on Friday 1st November 13:05

Edited by Andyoz on Friday 1st November 13:15

[FTW]

Andyoz said:

Hi,

Very interesting thread here.

Any thoughts on this example: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

I've got a good feel for the various desirable options (I'm an non AC person) but I know you guys will be quicker to see 'things'...

I tend to buy privately and I actually drive my cars (weekends) so may as well start with a low miler...Apologies if the seller is here as don't want to step on any toes.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Edited by Andyoz on Friday 1st November 13:05

Edited by Andyoz on Friday 1st November 13:15

Looks like a lovely car. Missing PSE which sounds great but there are plenty of aftermarket exhausts if you’re not afraid to mod.

[Andyoz]

Yes, I did notice that PSE was missing.

I've never had a chance to try one with it. Is the PSE on the CR the same as the PSE on a stock CS, i.e. same exhaust pipe diameters etc?

I purposely made sure the my current CS was no frills stripped back spec as I think that's what the Cayman is about.

Any other things 'missing'. I could do without the Chronos TBH as for me, it ruins the simple dash lines.

The smart money is probably to seek out one with the exact spec I want but with 10k more miles. Still not totally sure about color.

Edited by Andyoz on Saturday 2nd November 09:22

[FTW]

Andyoz said:

Yes, I did notice that PSE was missing.

I've never had a chance to try one with it. Is the PSE on the CR the same as the PSE on a stock CS, i.e. same exhaust pipe diameters etc?

I purposely made sure the my current CS was no frills stripped back spec as I think that's what the Cayman is about.

Any other things 'missing'. I could do without the Chronos TBH as for me, it ruins the simple dash lines.

The smart money is probably to seek out one with the exact spec I want but with 10k more miles. Still not totally sure about color.

Edited by Andyoz on Saturday 2nd November 09:22

I think the R or maybe the it’s all Gen2s have a better manifold but I could be wrong. The rest is the same as an S.

The white car also has basic lights which are cack so worth a headlight upgrade at the least. The Bi-xenon lights are a marked improvement.