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Thanks...those GT4 mpg figures sure are food for thought!
One thing I do like about the 987 is you can hoon then just cruise back home at 30+ mpg. I often chug along at 60mph on the motorway after a B road session. I'd miss that. In the future if fuel really does start to spike (manipulated by the green agenda) the mpg figures will be a factor for those owners that actually want to drive their cars.
One thing I do like about the 987 is you can hoon then just cruise back home at 30+ mpg. I often chug along at 60mph on the motorway after a B road session. I'd miss that. In the future if fuel really does start to spike (manipulated by the green agenda) the mpg figures will be a factor for those owners that actually want to drive their cars.
Edited by Andyoz on Saturday 16th November 17:52
Porsche911R said:
Andyoz said:
Hi, has anyone here owned a GT4 and R.
Reading up on the GT4, the fuel economy seems terrible.
I know it's not the main factor when considering a Porsche but it does seem to worse than expected.
GT4 sadly is shocking on mpg, you get about 17 normal, 11 hooning and 6 mpg on track and a high tax rate. Tyres are also big bucks. Reading up on the GT4, the fuel economy seems terrible.
I know it's not the main factor when considering a Porsche but it does seem to worse than expected.
The R will get you ave 24 mpg and you can get 35 on a run.
Also cheap to tax at £280, and tyres are about 1/2 the value.
The R wins by a mile as a fun road car, the GT4 wins if you want to track it.
Ran a GT4 for 2 years and R's for 5 years, and bought a 2nd R for fun while I owned my GT4 which really was not a fun road car imo, but was a nice car to track even at 6 mpg.
At one point I had 4 of the main sort after porkers at the same time and sold the 5th.
R, 987.2 Spyder, 981 Spyder, GT4 , 991.2 Manual GT3.
I kept the 991.2 manual GT3 and the 987.2 manual Spyder, as imo those were the best 2 from the 5 and made a nice pair.
I then bought a GTS but sold it after 2 months.
Best value fun porker atm £19k on a mint 2.9 Boxster is about all you need really. But we all like some thing a bit more special if funds allow.
if you only have one car and want fun at normal speeds and don't really track it, the R is hard to beat , as you daily it also. It does every thing better than well.
And as I also posted a 997.2 S also does that job well.
If you have a daily and want a 2nd car and like driving over posing, a 987.2 Spyder or a face lift Elise both make great 2nd cars.
So just why was the GT4 so poor as road car ?
Chassis just too composed ?
Engine torquey in character, rather than revvy ? AND a gearbox whose ratios were ill-suited to it ?
The whole package just too accomplished to be fun at sane speeds on the road ?
On the GT4 v R I'm also interested about the gear ratios.
I find my 987 has pretty long gearing. I assume the 987.1, 987.2, R are the same box. The GT4 has a different box (I think) but are the ratios shorter or longer?
Was looking at a GT4 on eBay which has a new gearbox under warranty. I know there was a 3rd gear fail issue on the GT4's but does it only fail under track stress?
I find my 987 has pretty long gearing. I assume the 987.1, 987.2, R are the same box. The GT4 has a different box (I think) but are the ratios shorter or longer?
Was looking at a GT4 on eBay which has a new gearbox under warranty. I know there was a 3rd gear fail issue on the GT4's but does it only fail under track stress?
Porsche911R said:
GT4 sadly is shocking on mpg, you get about 17 normal, 11 hooning and 6 mpg on track and a high tax rate. Tyres are also big bucks.
The R will get you ave 24 mpg and you can get 35 on a run.
Also cheap to tax at £280, and tyres are about 1/2 the value.
The R wins by a mile as a fun road car, the GT4 wins if you want to track it.
Ran a GT4 for 2 years and R's for 5 years, and bought a 2nd R for fun while I owned my GT4 which really was not a fun road car imo, but was a nice car to track even at 6 mpg.
At one point I had 4 of the main sort after porkers at the same time and sold the 5th.
R, 987.2 Spyder, 981 Spyder, GT4 , 991.2 Manual GT3.
I kept the 991.2 manual GT3 and the 987.2 manual Spyder, as imo those were the best 2 from the 5 and made a nice pair.
I then bought a GTS but sold it after 2 months.
Best value fun porker atm £19k on a mint 2.9 Boxster is about all you need really. But we all like some thing a bit more special if funds allow.
if you only have one car and want fun at normal speeds and don't really track it, the R is hard to beat , as you daily it also. It does every thing better than well.
And as I also posted a 997.2 S also does that job well.
If you have a daily and want a 2nd car and like driving over posing, a 987.2 Spyder or a face lift Elise both make great 2nd cars.
I owned a CR in which I did 34000 miles and currently have a modified GT4 which has done 22000 miles.The R will get you ave 24 mpg and you can get 35 on a run.
Also cheap to tax at £280, and tyres are about 1/2 the value.
The R wins by a mile as a fun road car, the GT4 wins if you want to track it.
Ran a GT4 for 2 years and R's for 5 years, and bought a 2nd R for fun while I owned my GT4 which really was not a fun road car imo, but was a nice car to track even at 6 mpg.
At one point I had 4 of the main sort after porkers at the same time and sold the 5th.
R, 987.2 Spyder, 981 Spyder, GT4 , 991.2 Manual GT3.
I kept the 991.2 manual GT3 and the 987.2 manual Spyder, as imo those were the best 2 from the 5 and made a nice pair.
I then bought a GTS but sold it after 2 months.
Best value fun porker atm £19k on a mint 2.9 Boxster is about all you need really. But we all like some thing a bit more special if funds allow.
if you only have one car and want fun at normal speeds and don't really track it, the R is hard to beat , as you daily it also. It does every thing better than well.
And as I also posted a 997.2 S also does that job well.
If you have a daily and want a 2nd car and like driving over posing, a 987.2 Spyder or a face lift Elise both make great 2nd cars.
I would wholeheartedly agree with the above regarding the Cayman R. And the 2.9 option.
My GT4 appears to do around 24mpg on the road ... I recall the CR regularly did around 32mpg ... as I say I have modified my GT4 and even though the mods are designed to enhance it's performance on track, in my view it is exceptionally nice also on the road.
Andyoz said:
On the GT4 v R I'm also interested about the gear ratios.
I find my 987 has pretty long gearing. I assume the 987.1, 987.2, R are the same box. The GT4 has a different box (I think) but are the ratios shorter or longer?
Was looking at a GT4 on eBay which has a new gearbox under warranty. I know there was a 3rd gear fail issue on the GT4's but does it only fail under track stress?
It was a manufacturing fault once the early splined third gear was replaced with a welded third gear.I find my 987 has pretty long gearing. I assume the 987.1, 987.2, R are the same box. The GT4 has a different box (I think) but are the ratios shorter or longer?
Was looking at a GT4 on eBay which has a new gearbox under warranty. I know there was a 3rd gear fail issue on the GT4's but does it only fail under track stress?
Nobody appears to know if the replacement gearboxes have returned to a splined or a better welded arrangement.
Andyoz said:
Hi, has anyone here owned a GT4 and R.
Reading up on the GT4, the fuel economy seems terrible.
I know it's not the main factor when considering a Porsche but it does seem to worse than expected.
Got an R, had a GT4, New Spyder incoming.Reading up on the GT4, the fuel economy seems terrible.
I know it's not the main factor when considering a Porsche but it does seem to worse than expected.
Yup fuel economy is surprisingly poor on the GT4. Rarely bettered 20mpg with mine, even running it in on a 2000 mile road trip to buy wine in France it only averaged just over 21 mpg. I got a bit of stick on here when I compared the engine to a diesel but I still feel the engine tune of the GT4 is the worst bit of the car. Lots of torque but no lovely top end scream. It is still a very fine road car though, and an exceptional track car.
The R has a much sweeter engine tune, less torque but a greater reward for wringing it out to the limiter. Slower but more enjoyable. Economy is significantly better with mid 20,s on a euro road trip.
Interesting to see what the Spyder is like
I'll stop researching the GT4....I've heard enough!
The R and Spyder seem to be fighting it out regards which can hold their value the best. A Spyder here in Ireland is just a step too far. We get too many 'surprise' wee rain showers here at the base of the Mourne Mountains
Took my mate out for a run in the 987 up the hills today. He's not a car guy but he 'got it'. He had a drive and it's the first time I've been a passenger in my car. It's felt surprisingly floaty in that seat and he was babying it. No wonder my passengers get a bit stressed
Wish they'd sold more R's...
The R and Spyder seem to be fighting it out regards which can hold their value the best. A Spyder here in Ireland is just a step too far. We get too many 'surprise' wee rain showers here at the base of the Mourne Mountains
Took my mate out for a run in the 987 up the hills today. He's not a car guy but he 'got it'. He had a drive and it's the first time I've been a passenger in my car. It's felt surprisingly floaty in that seat and he was babying it. No wonder my passengers get a bit stressed
Wish they'd sold more R's...
Cant disagree with the 2.9 boxster comments from 911r. Just had a set of ohlins dampers fitted to mine and the thing is a totally different car. A R or Spyder with the same set up will pretty much be a perfect car.
It's funny how Porsche have held back the 2.9 with the soft springs and pogo dampers. Now the springs and dampers work together, the car is faster everywhere although now you can feel where the engine flat spot needs mapping out through 3-4k. Once you are above 4.5k all is well in life. For the price they are at, I don't think you can have much more fun for the money and know that you have virtually no depreciation.
It's funny how Porsche have held back the 2.9 with the soft springs and pogo dampers. Now the springs and dampers work together, the car is faster everywhere although now you can feel where the engine flat spot needs mapping out through 3-4k. Once you are above 4.5k all is well in life. For the price they are at, I don't think you can have much more fun for the money and know that you have virtually no depreciation.
ChrisW. said:
If we get the chance I'd be quite interested to hear what you think of my modded GT4 ...
Having raced, I trust you not to stuff it
What are the mods please?Having raced, I trust you not to stuff it
Is anyone in the uk offering solutions to lower the gear ratios ?
I've seen the Sharkwerks mods but they are 16k or so.
ChrisW. said:
If we get the chance I'd be quite interested to hear what you think of my modded GT4 ...
Having raced, I trust you not to stuff it
Assuming the above is directed in my direction then yes please would love to. Having raced, I trust you not to stuff it
I will trade you for a blast in the R8
I was cogitating coming to the next GT track day with one of the Porsche and the R8.
Slippydiff said:
Genuine question, with no strings attached.
So just why was the GT4 so poor as road car ?
Chassis just too composed ?
Engine torquey in character, rather than revvy ? AND a gearbox whose ratios were ill-suited to it ?
The whole package just too accomplished to be fun at sane speeds on the road ?
As simple as that, the car was too good on the road for the 385 bhp. Chassis, grip etc etc. And the gearing sapped what ever life was left in it. So just why was the GT4 so poor as road car ?
Chassis just too composed ?
Engine torquey in character, rather than revvy ? AND a gearbox whose ratios were ill-suited to it ?
The whole package just too accomplished to be fun at sane speeds on the road ?
So you find yourself blasting about at 120mph to get excited but it takes a while to wind up to that.
While the GT3 is a faster car, it’s more fun due to the speeds you do get to between the bends, so you end up braking more and changing gear more in the GT3, as you have to slow down for the bends on even tiny straights, you feel you are always driving it.
The GT4 you felt it stayed in 3rd gear ! And all you needed for most bends was a slight lift.
Was a shock to buy a 2nd R for fun while owning my GT4.
I did track it a few times and enjoyed that bar the refuelling !
GT3 is a great car to drive if you ignore the speed limits.
The R feels involving and alive at 85mph.
GT3 would be pointless to own if you live in built up area or did not Not venture into high speeds. And I mean you need to be happy hitting 140 to get the most from one. But it’s still more fun to drive than a GT4 below that due to gearing and torque, also you can get the rear to play quite easy in one under throttle alone, over lift off antics needed in a GT4 to play daft games.
My 996 GT3 had the same issues as the GT4 really. Long gearing then not enough space, power between the bends to wind it up.
Then if you did wind the 996 up at about 120mph it cannot cope on the bumpy stuff. Maybe a short final drive and some nice shocks would make a early GT3 a nice road car. You need involvement with compliance.
These are very fine lines, and what suits me others poo poo ofcourse and righty so, if they enjoy the GT4 or 996 etc who am I to argue what others enjoy.
I would like to do a 997.1 GT3 project but it’s risky if I did not like it.
Hence prob buying an Elise again why I can still get in and out one. And if I sell the 991.2 GT3 then it would only be for a 997 project. Unless I get a GT4 RS allocation which I would then track quite a lot.
I would think your own car would be a pretty nice thing, maybe I can have a drive in the spring. :-) and you can try either of my porkers.
I think GT4 owners have options, I have been in Chris W car it’s whole journey and even with the gearing, the cars transformed from oem. The ONLY reason I did not do mine was the gearbox issues, then when mine sold Porsche issued a recall ! So if I owned a GT4 today it would be straight in for a 435bhp upgrade.
I do like the GT4 platform being a mid engine fan boy.
The 718 gearing is a great shame, hence my GT4 RS PDK to daily and then track. But I don’t think I am vip enough.
Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 17th November 13:01
Threads like this do make me wonder about PSE.
Is it really a must have.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Is it really a must have.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Andyoz said:
Threads like this do make me wonder about PSE.
Is it really a must have.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
helps resale, nothing is a must have is it ?Is it really a must have.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
options make cars easier to sell at the best money, just take that into account when buying.
buy cheaper sell cheaper.
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