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Porsche911R said:
Andyoz said:
Could you sum up the 996 GT3? It's the real wild card but 987 is the more sensible choice.
I love the look of the Spyder. I took my lad shopping at Lidl today and as it was surprisingly dry the Cayman came. I just don't think I'd have taken the Spyder for an Xmas shopping run though.
I did not like the 996 GT3 as a road car. It’s very over rated for UK use on the road imho and now old.I love the look of the Spyder. I took my lad shopping at Lidl today and as it was surprisingly dry the Cayman came. I just don't think I'd have taken the Spyder for an Xmas shopping run though.
Maybe a set of plush shocks and a short final drive might fix what I hated about it, but not buying another to test that theory.
Although he RPM modded car looks interesting.
An R and the £20k saved not buying a 996Gt3 would make a very nice R. I ran R's for 5 years love the drive.
If I had play money I would be looking at a 997.1 GT3 project and £50k spend on it. Again risky but a project I would enjoy building.
Thing for me is Imho i own the best 2 Porkers made In The last 10 years so not selling either of my babies to fund another porker.
And I had 4 porkers and sold two to fund other brands.
I have spent my money on something very different lately and much fun and does not need any mods , it’s extreme Oem mental machine.
Interesting you mention the 996 GT3 gearing. I'd assumed the longer gearing was a more recent thing for emissions..
It's one thing the 987 has nailed perfectly for road use IMO.
The Ashgood example is a low miler etc. I'd say I'd know within 10min if it was a contender or not, just sitting in that interior for starters.
The thing about the R is it costs 3 times what my mint Gen 1 did. When I bought it, I'd factored in worst case £10k Hartech rebuilt (which it probably won't) and was still happy with the sums. That's likely to trigger a 'feck it' let's mod it moment and screw the resale...I always believe every engine has its weaknesses and even a gen 2 DFI engine will need work eventually.
It's interesting there aren't that many 997 GT3 for sale.
The non manual 991.1 GT3 issue kills it for me as the whole point going Porsche was to improve my stick skills. 991.2 manuals are too expensive for me to consider as a weekend toy so it's wait and see on that front. If the 992 GT3 is a 6 pot N/A manual/PDK then I might have a chance of the 991.2 dropping.
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 24th December 09:42
Andyoz said:
OK thanks.
Interesting you mention the 996 GT3 gearing. I'd assumed the longer gearing was a more recent thing for emissions..
It's one thing the 987 has nailed perfectly for road use IMO.
The Ashgood example is a low miler etc. I'd say I'd know within 10min if it was a contender or not, just sitting in that interior for starters.
The thing about the R is it costs 3 times what my mint Gen 1 did. When I bought it, I'd factored in worst case £10k Hartech rebuilt (which it probably won't) and was still happy with the sums. That's likely to trigger a 'feck it' let's mod it moment and screw the resale...I always believe every engine has its weaknesses and even a gen 2 DFI engine will need work eventually.
It's interesting there aren't that many 997 GT3 for sale. The non manual 991.1 GT3 issue kills it for me as the whole point going Porsche was to improve my stuck skills. 991.2 manuals are too expensive for me to consider as a weekend toy so it's wait and see on that front. If the 992 GT3 is a 6 pot N/A then I might have a chance of the 991 dropping.
There is a mint Cayman black Ed for sale 4K miles £29kInteresting you mention the 996 GT3 gearing. I'd assumed the longer gearing was a more recent thing for emissions..
It's one thing the 987 has nailed perfectly for road use IMO.
The Ashgood example is a low miler etc. I'd say I'd know within 10min if it was a contender or not, just sitting in that interior for starters.
The thing about the R is it costs 3 times what my mint Gen 1 did. When I bought it, I'd factored in worst case £10k Hartech rebuilt (which it probably won't) and was still happy with the sums. That's likely to trigger a 'feck it' let's mod it moment and screw the resale...I always believe every engine has its weaknesses and even a gen 2 DFI engine will need work eventually.
It's interesting there aren't that many 997 GT3 for sale. The non manual 991.1 GT3 issue kills it for me as the whole point going Porsche was to improve my stuck skills. 991.2 manuals are too expensive for me to consider as a weekend toy so it's wait and see on that front. If the 992 GT3 is a 6 pot N/A then I might have a chance of the 991 dropping.
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 24th December 09:40
So a very nice car with low miles to make some thing special.
The back Ed matched the R bhp and had some nice tweets a very rare car. And £10k less than an R.
Porsche911R said:
Andyoz said:
OK thanks.
Interesting you mention the 996 GT3 gearing. I'd assumed the longer gearing was a more recent thing for emissions..
It's one thing the 987 has nailed perfectly for road use IMO.
The Ashgood example is a low miler etc. I'd say I'd know within 10min if it was a contender or not, just sitting in that interior for starters.
The thing about the R is it costs 3 times what my mint Gen 1 did. When I bought it, I'd factored in worst case £10k Hartech rebuilt (which it probably won't) and was still happy with the sums. That's likely to trigger a 'feck it' let's mod it moment and screw the resale...I always believe every engine has its weaknesses and even a gen 2 DFI engine will need work eventually.
It's interesting there aren't that many 997 GT3 for sale. The non manual 991.1 GT3 issue kills it for me as the whole point going Porsche was to improve my stuck skills. 991.2 manuals are too expensive for me to consider as a weekend toy so it's wait and see on that front. If the 992 GT3 is a 6 pot N/A then I might have a chance of the 991 dropping.
There is a mint Cayman black Ed for sale 4K miles £29kInteresting you mention the 996 GT3 gearing. I'd assumed the longer gearing was a more recent thing for emissions..
It's one thing the 987 has nailed perfectly for road use IMO.
The Ashgood example is a low miler etc. I'd say I'd know within 10min if it was a contender or not, just sitting in that interior for starters.
The thing about the R is it costs 3 times what my mint Gen 1 did. When I bought it, I'd factored in worst case £10k Hartech rebuilt (which it probably won't) and was still happy with the sums. That's likely to trigger a 'feck it' let's mod it moment and screw the resale...I always believe every engine has its weaknesses and even a gen 2 DFI engine will need work eventually.
It's interesting there aren't that many 997 GT3 for sale. The non manual 991.1 GT3 issue kills it for me as the whole point going Porsche was to improve my stuck skills. 991.2 manuals are too expensive for me to consider as a weekend toy so it's wait and see on that front. If the 992 GT3 is a 6 pot N/A then I might have a chance of the 991 dropping.
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 24th December 09:40
So a very nice car with low miles to make some thing special.
The back Ed matched the R bhp and had some nice tweets a very rare car. And £10k less than an R.
I've messaged Ashgood about their white R...not totally sold on white or the alcantara but I assume it's the easiest color/spec to sell on if things ever came to it (although it's not exactly flying out Ashgoods door). I do like silver but need to see one in the flesh. Launch color of Peridot with Silver wheels is nice too as I think black wheels starting to look dated.
Driving my S this time of year makes me realise I need A/C. I like the idea of low weight non A/C but there's alot of moisture to clear out of cars in Ireland for 6 months of the year.
I'll look back at this thread and try to figure out who the OCD owner was...
Do Ashgoods like a wee bit of haggling as I sure do..??
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 24th December 11:13
Andyoz said:
I can see a black edition on PH with 40k on it for £28k? Main issue is black is the only Cayman color I don't like.
I've messaged Ashgood about their white R...not totally sold on white or the alcantara but I assume it's the easiest color/spec to sell on if things ever came to it (although it's not exactly flying out Ashgoods door). I do like silver but need to see one in the flesh. Launch color of Peridot with Silver wheels is nice too as I think black wheels starting to look dated.
Driving my S this time of year makes me realise I need A/C. I like the idea of low weight non A/C but there's alot of moisture to clear out of cars in Ireland for 6 months of the year.
I'll look back at this thread and try to figure out who the OCD owner was...
Do Ashgoods like a wee bit of haggling as I sure do..??
Manuals are not popular in the UK these days, people cannot drive and want to be race driver fast so soon it will be very hard to sell a manual car as today’s new money want new very boring easy cars to drive. I've messaged Ashgood about their white R...not totally sold on white or the alcantara but I assume it's the easiest color/spec to sell on if things ever came to it (although it's not exactly flying out Ashgoods door). I do like silver but need to see one in the flesh. Launch color of Peridot with Silver wheels is nice too as I think black wheels starting to look dated.
Driving my S this time of year makes me realise I need A/C. I like the idea of low weight non A/C but there's alot of moisture to clear out of cars in Ireland for 6 months of the year.
I'll look back at this thread and try to figure out who the OCD owner was...
Do Ashgoods like a wee bit of haggling as I sure do..??
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 24th December 11:13
A sad future. And when you speak to sub 20 years olds no one wants a manual.
Ashgood rang me this morning following my message.
3 owners. Can't find post here from previous owner though and I've been back to posts middle of the year. I know JZM white one's owner posted here. Markets definitely slow...
I run my own business and even though end of financial year isn't this month there's something psychologically satisfying about having a strong December. Car dealers especially.
3 owners. Can't find post here from previous owner though and I've been back to posts middle of the year. I know JZM white one's owner posted here. Markets definitely slow...
I run my own business and even though end of financial year isn't this month there's something psychologically satisfying about having a strong December. Car dealers especially.
Porsche911R said:
Andyoz said:
I can see a black edition on PH with 40k on it for £28k? Main issue is black is the only Cayman color I don't like.
I've messaged Ashgood about their white R...not totally sold on white or the alcantara but I assume it's the easiest color/spec to sell on if things ever came to it (although it's not exactly flying out Ashgoods door). I do like silver but need to see one in the flesh. Launch color of Peridot with Silver wheels is nice too as I think black wheels starting to look dated.
Driving my S this time of year makes me realise I need A/C. I like the idea of low weight non A/C but there's alot of moisture to clear out of cars in Ireland for 6 months of the year.
I'll look back at this thread and try to figure out who the OCD owner was...
Do Ashgoods like a wee bit of haggling as I sure do..??
Manuals are not popular in the UK these days, people cannot drive and want to be race driver fast so soon it will be very hard to sell a manual car as today’s new money want new very boring easy cars to drive. I've messaged Ashgood about their white R...not totally sold on white or the alcantara but I assume it's the easiest color/spec to sell on if things ever came to it (although it's not exactly flying out Ashgoods door). I do like silver but need to see one in the flesh. Launch color of Peridot with Silver wheels is nice too as I think black wheels starting to look dated.
Driving my S this time of year makes me realise I need A/C. I like the idea of low weight non A/C but there's alot of moisture to clear out of cars in Ireland for 6 months of the year.
I'll look back at this thread and try to figure out who the OCD owner was...
Do Ashgoods like a wee bit of haggling as I sure do..??
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 24th December 11:13
A sad future. And when you speak to sub 20 years olds no one wants a manual.
Not a popular view here but it's what I think and am weighing up.
BMW M2 Competition owner here, I thought it would be my “forever” car but even after some mods I’m doubting that now as to be honest the M is only fun at silly speeds and those opportunities are few and far between.
I’ve been subscribed to this thread for years and have always had a hankering for a Cayman R, has anyone taken the jump to a CR from a recent BMW M product and wish to share their thoughts?
I’ve been subscribed to this thread for years and have always had a hankering for a Cayman R, has anyone taken the jump to a CR from a recent BMW M product and wish to share their thoughts?
thatsprettyshady said:
BMW M2 Competition owner here, I thought it would be my “forever” car but even after some mods I’m doubting that now as to be honest the M is only fun at silly speeds and those opportunities are few and far between.
I’ve been subscribed to this thread for years and have always had a hankering for a Cayman R, has anyone taken the jump to a CR from a recent BMW M product and wish to share their thoughts?
Front engine rwd vs mid/rear engine rwd, chalk and cheese really.I’ve been subscribed to this thread for years and have always had a hankering for a Cayman R, has anyone taken the jump to a CR from a recent BMW M product and wish to share their thoughts?
BMW make great cars, I have owned a few of the best M3 variants.
No under steer and fully throttle steerable, fun cars.
Do you own a manual M2 ? An R's no slower really and no skids at will.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 24th December 18:44
Andyoz said:
My personal view on these cars is if I bought it, had it for 3 years and put 15k miles in it I might be £5-10k down when I sell. That fall won't be solely due to mileage.
Not a popular view here but it's what I think and am weighing up.
Pretty sure running one of these will cost you regardless of where the market will go and if these become classics or not. I doubt they will so it's pointless talking about residuals.Not a popular view here but it's what I think and am weighing up.
I would look at the white Ashgood car but just don't fancy white. If there was one around in red or grey, that would be more interesting.
Prestonese said:
Andyoz said:
My personal view on these cars is if I bought it, had it for 3 years and put 15k miles in it I might be £5-10k down when I sell. That fall won't be solely due to mileage.
Not a popular view here but it's what I think and am weighing up.
Pretty sure running one of these will cost you regardless of where the market will go and if these become classics or not. I doubt they will so it's pointless talking about residuals.Not a popular view here but it's what I think and am weighing up.
I would look at the white Ashgood car but just don't fancy white. If there was one around in red or grey, that would be more interesting.
It gets a surprising amount of attention, cost sod all and that's what's making the jump to an R even harder.
Even if engine is made of cheese, Hartech can sort for £10k and I'd get clutch and other stuff done at the same time.
Even an R with a few miles might need work. Clutch etc.
A1VDY said:
Anyone know if a Cayman R steering wheel (the round centred one) with alloy spokes is a straight swop onto a gen 1 3.4S (triangle shape centre)?
Mine doesn't have sport chrono so no sport button.
No. You can’t fit the sport design steering wheel into a Gen 1 that easy. Mine doesn't have sport chrono so no sport button.
Air bag is different shape plus even if you buy a new round air bag it still doesn’t just plug and play like it does in a Gen 2 car.
thatsprettyshady said:
BMW M2 Competition owner here, I thought it would be my “forever” car but even after some mods I’m doubting that now as to be honest the M is only fun at silly speeds and those opportunities are few and far between.
I’ve been subscribed to this thread for years and have always had a hankering for a Cayman R, has anyone taken the jump to a CR from a recent BMW M product and wish to share their thoughts?
I’ve driven a 2015 M2 on a few trackdays but limited road miles. I’ve been subscribed to this thread for years and have always had a hankering for a Cayman R, has anyone taken the jump to a CR from a recent BMW M product and wish to share their thoughts?
The R feels way more old school with its linear NA power delivery and hydraulic steering. It’s a far more tactile device rewarding a more finessed driving styling. The brakes are equally poor on track. It won’t drift on demand like an M2 but will rotate around the drivers hip with a more neutral balance.
The infotainment is rubbish but with some carbon seats, alcantara and Sports Chrono it feels far more special and purposeful than the 2 series.
I’m tempted by an M2 Comp due it it’s rear seats, better brakes (if optioned, I presume they can do track work) and better front seats. I also think I’d quite like the playful nature of it.
Essential said:
A1VDY said:
Anyone know if a Cayman R steering wheel (the round centred one) with alloy spokes is a straight swop onto a gen 1 3.4S (triangle shape centre)?
Mine doesn't have sport chrono so no sport button.
No. You can’t fit the sport design steering wheel into a Gen 1 that easy. Mine doesn't have sport chrono so no sport button.
Air bag is different shape plus even if you buy a new round air bag it still doesn’t just plug and play like it does in a Gen 2 car.
In that case I'll leave well alone.
I'd do it if it was a straight swop but not if there's mods to be done.
Cheers..
The engineer in me does like to analyse things (maybe a too much) so bear with me...
There's currently over twice as many 981 GT4's for sale as there are Cayman R's.
I'm only interested in manuals so that ratio jumps to about 6 to 1 if I factor that in.
That's quite telling and is affecting R values I think. Even though I'm pretty sure the R is the better car for my situation, two years ago the GT4 was totally out of reach at say £60k more than an R.
I don't want PCCB's etc so that differential is more like £30k now and may be heading to £20k with a bit of patience. That's definitely made me stop and think about the maths and I can't be the only one.
With a GT4, you're looking at cars with half the age/miles of an R. Also with the GT4, you can literally see what you are getting to as big difference in engine, suspension, brakes, etc compared to standard 981 S. Also a 981GTS is also starting to head closer to R pricing...
The pull of any GT badged Porsche is a very strong thing even if maybe it's not the actual car that's best for you.
There's currently over twice as many 981 GT4's for sale as there are Cayman R's.
I'm only interested in manuals so that ratio jumps to about 6 to 1 if I factor that in.
That's quite telling and is affecting R values I think. Even though I'm pretty sure the R is the better car for my situation, two years ago the GT4 was totally out of reach at say £60k more than an R.
I don't want PCCB's etc so that differential is more like £30k now and may be heading to £20k with a bit of patience. That's definitely made me stop and think about the maths and I can't be the only one.
With a GT4, you're looking at cars with half the age/miles of an R. Also with the GT4, you can literally see what you are getting to as big difference in engine, suspension, brakes, etc compared to standard 981 S. Also a 981GTS is also starting to head closer to R pricing...
The pull of any GT badged Porsche is a very strong thing even if maybe it's not the actual car that's best for you.
Andyoz said:
The engineer in me does like to analyse things (maybe a too much) so bear with me...
There's currently over twice as many 981 GT4's for sale as there are Cayman R's.
I'm only interested in manuals so that ratio jumps to about 6 to 1 if I factor that in.
That's quite telling and is affecting R values I think. Even though I'm pretty sure the R is the better car for my situation, two years ago the GT4 was totally out of reach at say £60k more than an R.
I don't want PCCB's etc so that differential is more like £30k now and may be heading to £20k with a bit of patience. That's definitely made me stop and think about the maths and I can't be the only one.
With a GT4, you're looking at cars with half the age/miles of an R. Also with the GT4, you can literally see what you are getting to as big difference in engine, suspension, brakes, etc compared to standard 981 S. Also a 981GTS is also starting to head closer to R pricing...
The pull of any GT badged Porsche is a very strong thing even if maybe it's not the actual car that's best for you.
I had a R for 3 years, swapped it for a new GT4, within 4 months I owned another R for road use, I kept the GT4 for a few track days , posing and shows for 2 years, but if I wanted a weekend fun drive out I took the R, or if sunny the 987 Spyder.There's currently over twice as many 981 GT4's for sale as there are Cayman R's.
I'm only interested in manuals so that ratio jumps to about 6 to 1 if I factor that in.
That's quite telling and is affecting R values I think. Even though I'm pretty sure the R is the better car for my situation, two years ago the GT4 was totally out of reach at say £60k more than an R.
I don't want PCCB's etc so that differential is more like £30k now and may be heading to £20k with a bit of patience. That's definitely made me stop and think about the maths and I can't be the only one.
With a GT4, you're looking at cars with half the age/miles of an R. Also with the GT4, you can literally see what you are getting to as big difference in engine, suspension, brakes, etc compared to standard 981 S. Also a 981GTS is also starting to head closer to R pricing...
The pull of any GT badged Porsche is a very strong thing even if maybe it's not the actual car that's best for you.
I would have another R no issue, it’s great to drive, if I did track days I would have the GT4 with and engine upgrade.
So no wrong answer but each car suits a different use.
Have you thought about a £40k 997.2 non S 911.?
What makes the R value is the wheels and bucket seats, they are £14k to buy. Yes you can buy recaro and OZ's but you loose the oem look and it will still cost £8k to do those in carbon and a set of wheels.
Another fun buy is the 2.9 987.2 Cayman with aero kit and low miles, it’s £25k and would be a great buy, a one off spec of a car to own.
Porsche911R said:
Andyoz said:
The engineer in me does like to analyse things (maybe a too much) so bear with me...
There's currently over twice as many 981 GT4's for sale as there are Cayman R's.
I'm only interested in manuals so that ratio jumps to about 6 to 1 if I factor that in.
That's quite telling and is affecting R values I think. Even though I'm pretty sure the R is the better car for my situation, two years ago the GT4 was totally out of reach at say £60k more than an R.
I don't want PCCB's etc so that differential is more like £30k now and may be heading to £20k with a bit of patience. That's definitely made me stop and think about the maths and I can't be the only one.
With a GT4, you're looking at cars with half the age/miles of an R. Also with the GT4, you can literally see what you are getting to as big difference in engine, suspension, brakes, etc compared to standard 981 S. Also a 981GTS is also starting to head closer to R pricing...
The pull of any GT badged Porsche is a very strong thing even if maybe it's not the actual car that's best for you.
I had a R for 3 years, swapped it for a new GT4, within 4 months I owned another R for road use, I kept the GT4 for a few track days , posing and shows for 2 years, but if I wanted a weekend fun drive out I took the R, or if sunny the 987 Spyder.There's currently over twice as many 981 GT4's for sale as there are Cayman R's.
I'm only interested in manuals so that ratio jumps to about 6 to 1 if I factor that in.
That's quite telling and is affecting R values I think. Even though I'm pretty sure the R is the better car for my situation, two years ago the GT4 was totally out of reach at say £60k more than an R.
I don't want PCCB's etc so that differential is more like £30k now and may be heading to £20k with a bit of patience. That's definitely made me stop and think about the maths and I can't be the only one.
With a GT4, you're looking at cars with half the age/miles of an R. Also with the GT4, you can literally see what you are getting to as big difference in engine, suspension, brakes, etc compared to standard 981 S. Also a 981GTS is also starting to head closer to R pricing...
The pull of any GT badged Porsche is a very strong thing even if maybe it's not the actual car that's best for you.
I would have another R no issue, it’s great to drive, if I did track days I would have the GT4 with and engine upgrade.
So no wrong answer but each car suits a different use.
Have you thought about a £40k 997.2 non S 911.?
What makes the R value is the wheels and bucket seats, they are £14k to buy. Yes you can buy recaro and OZ's but you loose the oem look and it will still cost £8k to do those in carbon and a set of wheels.
Another fun buy is the 2.9 987.2 Cayman with aero kit and low miles, it’s £25k and would be a great buy, a one off spec of a car to own.
You have 981 GTS about £10k more than current R prices. One of those with PSE, buckets and the non PASM passive sports suspension would be worth looking out for (if any exist). Not the same experience as an R but still something I'd want to at least try before committing £40k to an R. After a year or two I might want a slightly more relaxed Porsche experience anyway than the 987 era.
It's a shame that keenly priced GT4 I spotted at Belfast Porsche disappeared so fast as I'd have had a go in it over Xmas to at least give me a taste of what a serious uplift in cash buys you.
They've got TWO (!!) manual 997.2 GT3's but that's not going to happen as have to pull my head in on that front.
Have a yellow Carrera T which I'd had asked to drive while looking at GT4 just to see what the 3.0lt Turbos are all about.
Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 26th December 12:41
Andyoz said:
I hear what you're saying but I think there are other models starting to affect R values that weren't on the radar when this thread was started.
You have 981 GTS about £10k more than current R prices. One of those with PSE, buckets and the non PASM passive sports suspension would be worth looking out for (if any exist). Not the same experience as an R but still something I'd want to at least try before committing £40k to an R. After a year or two I might want a slightly more relaxed Porsche experience anyway than the 987 era.
It's a shame that keenly priced GT4 I spotted at Belfast Porsche disappeared so fast as I'd have had a go in it over Xmas to at least give me a taste of what a serious uplift in cash buys you.
They've got TWO (!!) manual 997.2 GT3's but that's not going to happen as have to pull my head in on that front.
Have a yellow Carrera T which I'd had asked to drive while looking at GT4 just to see what the 3.0lt Turbos are all about.
The eps and gearing in manual kill the 981 GTS, it’s not in The same league to drive as an R, a nice daily, but why spend £55k On a nice daily when a golf will do a better job.You have 981 GTS about £10k more than current R prices. One of those with PSE, buckets and the non PASM passive sports suspension would be worth looking out for (if any exist). Not the same experience as an R but still something I'd want to at least try before committing £40k to an R. After a year or two I might want a slightly more relaxed Porsche experience anyway than the 987 era.
It's a shame that keenly priced GT4 I spotted at Belfast Porsche disappeared so fast as I'd have had a go in it over Xmas to at least give me a taste of what a serious uplift in cash buys you.
They've got TWO (!!) manual 997.2 GT3's but that's not going to happen as have to pull my head in on that front.
Have a yellow Carrera T which I'd had asked to drive while looking at GT4 just to see what the 3.0lt Turbos are all about.
Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 26th December 12:41
I bought a 991 GTS as a daily, it was dull, so kept my golf.
So 981 prices will not effect R prices , I even expect the 987.2 Spyder to be more valuable over a 981 Spyder as an example within the next 12 months.
Just like a manual 997.2 GTS is £70k today but you can buy a 991 for £50k.
As I say depends if you want to show off , pose, have a life style car or, like driving.
I don’t get the carrera T, it was to pick up failed GT3 orders, all T models are marketing crap imho. You can buy a 991.2 GTS for the price of the VERY over hyped T model.
Modern cars bar a very few models are getting dull in all respects.
We are in a crap era of cars imo.
The next exciting sports cars will have a kers systems.
But small engine turbos are not something I like, esp with ppf's and EPS.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 26th December 13:37
Hi Andyoz.
I think you might be over analyzing it all a bit here!
I am not sure it’s wise to compare an R with M2, GT4 and the like.
The R is so nice because it’s more than the sum of its parts, it’s like a particularly good vintage of a fine wine. Nearly everything newer will have lots of areas that are “better” but is the overall package better? Mrs BigM had an M2 and it was great, a hooligans car but it’s telling that the M2 has gone but the R is still in the fleet. By most subjective measures the GT4 is a much better car, where the R scores is it’s more subtle, lighter and has nicer steering. Plus it’s one of a few hundred cars, not a few thousand. Once again my GT4 has moved on but the R is still here. You don’t own one because it’s the best at particularly anything, you own one because it’s really nice.
I suspect that most R owners have more than one car on the fleet, if you look at the mileage on the cars they are clearly not daily’s. 19K miles here for example. They get used for special drives or trips, savoured and enjoyed.
The option of modifying an S to create something similar is interesting, but why would you stop at an R copy. You could push it way further than an R for similar cost. More extreme geometry, higher state of engine tune, more extreme lightening etc.
Given the relative rarity and useage profile I think that over the next 5 years or so the values of a GT4 and an R will gently converge, the GT4 probably the more popular choice the R the connoisseur choice. Whatever happens they are not making any more and most owners seem to love them.
I think you might be over analyzing it all a bit here!
I am not sure it’s wise to compare an R with M2, GT4 and the like.
The R is so nice because it’s more than the sum of its parts, it’s like a particularly good vintage of a fine wine. Nearly everything newer will have lots of areas that are “better” but is the overall package better? Mrs BigM had an M2 and it was great, a hooligans car but it’s telling that the M2 has gone but the R is still in the fleet. By most subjective measures the GT4 is a much better car, where the R scores is it’s more subtle, lighter and has nicer steering. Plus it’s one of a few hundred cars, not a few thousand. Once again my GT4 has moved on but the R is still here. You don’t own one because it’s the best at particularly anything, you own one because it’s really nice.
I suspect that most R owners have more than one car on the fleet, if you look at the mileage on the cars they are clearly not daily’s. 19K miles here for example. They get used for special drives or trips, savoured and enjoyed.
The option of modifying an S to create something similar is interesting, but why would you stop at an R copy. You could push it way further than an R for similar cost. More extreme geometry, higher state of engine tune, more extreme lightening etc.
Given the relative rarity and useage profile I think that over the next 5 years or so the values of a GT4 and an R will gently converge, the GT4 probably the more popular choice the R the connoisseur choice. Whatever happens they are not making any more and most owners seem to love them.
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