Cayman R Chat

[Twinfan]

Porsche911R said:

The eps and gearing in manual kill the 981 GTS, it’s not in The same league to drive as an R

I wish you'd stop sprouting the same incorrect facts re. gearing. It's the same gearbox in both cars, 19" vs 20" wheels/rolling circumference is the only gearing difference and worth around 2-3mph per gear on a like-for-like revs comparison.

Steering and looks are the biggest difference between the cars, how much that affects your choice is a personal preference.

[Andyoz]

Porsche911R said:

Andyoz said:

I hear what you're saying but I think there are other models starting to affect R values that weren't on the radar when this thread was started.

You have 981 GTS about £10k more than current R prices. One of those with PSE, buckets and the non PASM passive sports suspension would be worth looking out for (if any exist). Not the same experience as an R but still something I'd want to at least try before committing £40k to an R. After a year or two I might want a slightly more relaxed Porsche experience anyway than the 987 era.

It's a shame that keenly priced GT4 I spotted at Belfast Porsche disappeared so fast as I'd have had a go in it over Xmas to at least give me a taste of what a serious uplift in cash buys you.

They've got TWO (!!) manual 997.2 GT3's but that's not going to happen as have to pull my head in on that front.

Have a yellow Carrera T which I'd had asked to drive while looking at GT4 just to see what the 3.0lt Turbos are all about.

Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 26th December 12:41

The eps and gearing in manual kill the 981 GTS, it’s not in The same league to drive as an R, a nice daily, but why spend £55k On a nice daily when a golf will do a better job.

I bought a 991 GTS as a daily, it was dull, so kept my golf.

So 981 prices will not effect R prices , I even expect the 987.2 Spyder to be more valuable over a 981 Spyder as an example within the next 12 months.

Just like a manual 997.2 GTS is £70k today but you can buy a 991 for £50k.

As I say depends if you want to show off , pose, have a life style car or, like driving.

I don’t get the carrera T, it was to pick up failed GT3 orders, all T models are marketing crap imho. You can buy a 991.2 GTS for the price of the VERY over hyped T model.

Modern cars bar a very few models are getting dull in all respects.
We are in a crap era of cars imo.

The next exciting sports cars will have a kers systems.

But small engine turbos are not something I like, esp with ppf's and EPS.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 26th December 13:37

I keep forgetting about the EPS on the 981. The steering on my 987 was one of the reasons I bought it.

Good point about gearing too as that's the other good thing about the 987 era.

You mentioned a 997.2 Carrera. I've only driven a 997.1 Carrera S. It was a bit tired but definitely has something about it when you gun it. I'm interested why you said Carrera and not Carrera S as they're not fare off £40k.

I've recently fallen in with lad who's got a 987.2 2.9lt but haven't been able to get a go yet. It's his daily drive so makes sense. I'd say it will be hard to pull me away from the larger flat 6's though as it's not my daily.

Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 26th December 14:07

[Twinfan]

bigmowley said:

By most subjective measures the GT4 is a much better car, where the R scores is it’s more subtle, lighter and has nicer steering. Plus it’s one of a few hundred cars, not a few thousand.

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Given the relative rarity and useage profile I think that over the next 5 years or so the values of a GT4 and an R will gently converge, the GT4 probably the more popular choice the R the connoisseur choice.

Not sure where you get a few thousand GT4s from? There were 600ish 981s and will probably be around 900ish 718s.

As for the R being the "connoisseur's choice" - don't make me laugh, it's still just a Cayman at the end of the day! All cars have pros and cons and appeal, or not, to different people in different ways.

[Porsche911R]

Twinfan said:

I wish you'd stop sprouting the same incorrect facts re. gearing. It's the same gearbox in both cars, 19" vs 20" wheels/rolling circumference is the only gearing difference and worth around 2-3mph per gear on a like-for-like revs comparison.

Steering and looks are the biggest difference between the cars, how much that affects your choice is a personal preference.

It’s about 76 vs 85 mph in 2nd , it’s quite a big change when driving as you don’t hit the limiter in a manual anyway so change much lower. I am shocked the feel is so different, but you have not had a big range of cars and you say you buy on looks !

The eps is absolute dire crap In The 981 also and the brakes are well over servo.

I wish it were better, be a nice car at £45k to blat about in but it’s just a nice car nothing more and def works better with PDK.

When you get your new GT4 the steering will feel night and day for you and the 4.0l engine give you that flat torque to pull you though that gearing. Maybe you will agree with me once you get your new car and have driven it a bit.

[Twinfan]

Andyoz said:

Good point about gearing too as that's the other good thing about the 987 era.

See my reply to 911R above

[Twinfan]

Porsche911R said:

It’s about 76 vs 85 mph in 2nd , it’s quite a big change when driving as you don’t hit the limiter in a manual anyway so change much lower. I am shocked the feel is so different, but you have not had a big range of cars and you say you buy on looks !

The eps is absolute dire crap In The 981 also and the brakes are well over servo.

I wish it were better, be a nice car at £45k to blat about in but it’s just a nice car nothing more and def works better with PDK.

When you get your new GT4 the steering will feel night and day for you and the 4.0l engine give you that flat torque to pull you though that gearing. Maybe you will agree with me once you get your new car and have driven it a bit.

I don't buy purely on looks, it's just one factor the same as it is for everyone else - including you.

76 vs 85 is mostly due to the 981 revving higher not gearing.

Oh, and you can take your smug superiority and stick it where the sun doesn't shine!

[Porsche911R]

Twinfan said:

See my reply to 911R above

Which sadly is wrong :-p

[Twinfan]

Porsche911R said:

Which sadly is wrong :-p

No it's not, read it properly. Rev vs rev, like for like is the key part.

[kevs 172]

I would drive a 981GTS and an R if I were you. I definitely prefer the CGTS I have now to the Cayman R I had.
Cheers

[Andyoz]

kevs 172 said:

I would drive a 981GTS and an R if I were you. I definitely prefer the CGTS I have now to the Cayman R I had.
Cheers

Yes, I'm getting a hit list of things I want to try.

I'm not keen on wasting any sellers time though so researching here, etc.

[bigmowley]

[quote=Twinfan]

Not sure where you get a few thousand GT4s from? There were 600ish 981s and will probably be around 900ish 718s.

Ok so that’s still IRO 10 times more Manual GT4’s than R’s. Significant in my book.

Purist rather than connoisseur if you like.

Bit picky today aren’t we? Xx

[Twinfan]

Just correcting some wrong info, mostly from 911R not yourself

The 987 vs 981 debate will go on and on I'm sure, much like 997 vs 991 in 911 land

[Rsx Boy]

Peace on Earth and Goodwill to All Porsche fans.

[tracydeedance]

We have a CR man buckets chrono ect and a Boxster GTS
Both excellent cars but I would say the CR is more connected more of drivers car more involvement needed great smiles when you get things right .
A bit like a half way house to a 996 GT3 but more road friendly, I wouldn't like a CR to be an everyday driver with our roads but the GTS copes better as an everyday drive.
All only my opinion as we have both.

[Andyoz]

tracydeedance said:

We have a CR man buckets chrono ect and a Boxster GTS
Both excellent cars but I would say the CR is more connected more of drivers car more involvement needed great smiles when you get things right .
A bit like a half way house to a 996 GT3 but more road friendly, I wouldn't like a CR to be an everyday driver with our roads but the GTS copes better as an everyday drive.
All only my opinion as we have both.

Thanks for the info. This won't be a daily so it needs to have that something special. A hardish ride would actually be a novelty etc.

I've been researching the various GTS options as I suspect what I may be after is that halfway house between a standard model and the GT's. So that really leaves me with the CR or the various GTS models in Cayman or 911 form.

There's the 997.2 Carrera GTS but I think all the used ones listed are PDK. I'm sure there were some manuals made too?

On the GT front, I'm reading up on the whole 997 GT3's (has to be done). Seems that have been some engine issues there...again!! Maybe it's in the 991.2 GT3 shadow now too? Bugger all for sale anyway...expensive to run...only 5 on AutoTrader and all of them white!

Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 26th December 17:04

[Prestonese]

tracydeedance said:

We have a CR man buckets chrono ect and a Boxster GTS
Both excellent cars but I would say the CR is more connected more of drivers car more involvement needed great smiles when you get things right .
A bit like a half way house to a 996 GT3 but more road friendly, I wouldn't like a CR to be an everyday driver with our roads but the GTS copes better as an everyday drive.
All only my opinion as we have both.

I'd agree with this. I've had a CGTS and it's pretty good as a daily. Everything is nicer and tighter if that is your thing. There aren't many with bucket seats and manual boxes though if you want it to cover many bases.

The electric steering isn't that night and day in my view. However, not many CGTS were specced with the passive dampers which helped a bit. That said, any CGTS will still be more refined than a R whatever the spec it comes with.

[BrotherMouzone]

Andyoz said:

On the GT front, I'm reading up on the whole 997 GT3's (has to be done). Seems that have been some engine issues there...again!! Maybe it's in the 991.2 GT3 shadow now too? Bugger all for sale anyway...expensive to run...only 5 on AutoTrader and all of them white!

997 GT3s engine issues? That’s news to me.

I’m aware some RS 4.0 have issues but I thought 3.6 (gen1) and 3.8 (gen2) are very robust.

[Andyoz]

BrotherMouzone said:

Andyoz said:

On the GT front, I'm reading up on the whole 997 GT3's (has to be done). Seems that have been some engine issues there...again!! Maybe it's in the 991.2 GT3 shadow now too? Bugger all for sale anyway...expensive to run...only 5 on AutoTrader and all of them white!

997 GT3s engine issues? That’s news to me.

I’m aware some RS 4.0 have issues but I thought 3.6 (gen1) and 3.8 (gen2) are very robust.

Ok, I'll keep researching as a gen 1 could be within budget. A 50k miler wouldn't put me off if the engines are solid. Something like this which seems to have had the key things replaced. Will add to the list of 'test drives'

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2019...

[A1VDY]

Andyoz said:

BrotherMouzone said:

Andyoz said:

On the GT front, I'm reading up on the whole 997 GT3's (has to be done). Seems that have been some engine issues there...again!! Maybe it's in the 991.2 GT3 shadow now too? Bugger all for sale anyway...expensive to run...only 5 on AutoTrader and all of them white!

997 GT3s engine issues? That’s news to me.

I’m aware some RS 4.0 have issues but I thought 3.6 (gen1) and 3.8 (gen2) are very robust.

Ok, I'll keep researching as a gen 1 could be within budget. A 50k miler wouldn't put me off if the engines are solid. Something like this which seems to have had the key things replaced. Will add to the list of 'test drives'

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2019...

Looks superb!
Best colour too imo..

[SkinnyPete]

Andyoz said:

Thanks for the info. This won't be a daily so it needs to have that something special. A hardish ride would actually be a novelty etc.

I've been researching the various GTS options as I suspect what I may be after is that halfway house between a standard model and the GT's. So that really leaves me with the CR or the various GTS models in Cayman or 911 form.

There's the 997.2 Carrera GTS but I think all the used ones listed are PDK. I'm sure there were some manuals made too?

On the GT front, I'm reading up on the whole 997 GT3's (has to be done). Seems that have been some engine issues there...again!! Maybe it's in the 991.2 GT3 shadow now too? Bugger all for sale anyway...expensive to run...only 5 on AutoTrader and all of them white!

Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 26th December 17:04

If it's not going to be a daily, then I think a 981 GTS will leave you cold. Automatic everything, and a bit boring.

CR or 997.2 GTS is a good shout, or GT3 if you can go that route.