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The GT3 engines are pretty much bulletproof, interiors can get a bit rattly on some cars with use.
That one looks nice, ignore the mileage, it looks to have had a decent refresh.
It’s a step up from a Cayman R, although for a road car I prefer my R over my old GT3. The R has the perfect amount of everything.
That one looks nice, ignore the mileage, it looks to have had a decent refresh.
It’s a step up from a Cayman R, although for a road car I prefer my R over my old GT3. The R has the perfect amount of everything.
Twinfan said:
Porsche911R said:
The eps and gearing in manual kill the 981 GTS, it’s not in The same league to drive as an R
I wish you'd stop sprouting the same incorrect facts re. gearing. It's the same gearbox in both cars, 19" vs 20" wheels/rolling circumference is the only gearing difference and worth around 2-3mph per gear on a like-for-like revs comparison.Steering and looks are the biggest difference between the cars, how much that affects your choice is a personal preference.
Same gearbox but slightly lower final drive ratio. The two are interchangeable.
SkinnyPete said:
Andyoz said:
Thanks for the info. This won't be a daily so it needs to have that something special. A hardish ride would actually be a novelty etc.
I've been researching the various GTS options as I suspect what I may be after is that halfway house between a standard model and the GT's. So that really leaves me with the CR or the various GTS models in Cayman or 911 form.
There's the 997.2 Carrera GTS but I think all the used ones listed are PDK. I'm sure there were some manuals made too?
On the GT front, I'm reading up on the whole 997 GT3's (has to be done). Seems that have been some engine issues there...again!! Maybe it's in the 991.2 GT3 shadow now too? Bugger all for sale anyway...expensive to run...only 5 on AutoTrader and all of them white!
If it's not going to be a daily, then I think a 981 GTS will leave you cold. Automatic everything, and a bit boring. I've been researching the various GTS options as I suspect what I may be after is that halfway house between a standard model and the GT's. So that really leaves me with the CR or the various GTS models in Cayman or 911 form.
There's the 997.2 Carrera GTS but I think all the used ones listed are PDK. I'm sure there were some manuals made too?
On the GT front, I'm reading up on the whole 997 GT3's (has to be done). Seems that have been some engine issues there...again!! Maybe it's in the 991.2 GT3 shadow now too? Bugger all for sale anyway...expensive to run...only 5 on AutoTrader and all of them white!
Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 26th December 17:04
CR or 997.2 GTS is a good shout, or GT3 if you can go that route.
I don't need PASM suspension, fancy radio, quiet cruising potential and all that (i.e. I've only turned on my Caymans radio once to check it worked). Don't really need switchable exhaust either as it would always be in loud mode so if owners fitted an aftermarket all the better ...no need to creep up the street early morning and neighbours here don't care anyway.
The 981 seems to be a step up in terms of NVH which isn't really what I'm chasing for the next few years. If kids were older and I only needed one car it would be a contender
I bought the Cayman 987 to get a feel for the car I really need and I think I've got a pretty good idea now. It's those great cars that were actually designed about 15-20 years ago and were being sold until about 8 years ago.
Ashgoods seem to have examples of most things I want to try apart from early 997 GT3. I'd love to compare to a 996 GT3.
Twinfan said:
Thank you. Not enough of a difference to make one car killed by gearing and the other perfect for the road then...
I posted the in gear times not a lot else one can add.You either like the real life lower 2nd gear speed or you don't.
I really noticed in the 981 manual the age it takes to get to red line.
It's black and white vmax in gear speeds and not for debate.
Porsche911R said:
It's black and white vmax in gear speeds and not for debate.
I'll say it again one more time so maybe you'll finally get it. In gear speeds depend on wheel/tyre rolling circumference (19" vs 20") and max engine revs.Facts are fine as long as they are put in context:
The 981 has 500rpm more than a 987R (7300 vs 7800):
- 76mph / 7300rpm = 0.0104
- 0.0104 * 7800rpm = 81mph
- 987 rolling circumference (19" wheels, 265/35/19 rear tyres) = 2098mm
- 981 rolling circumference (20" wheels, 265/35/20 rear tyres) = 2179mm
- 981 is (2179-2098)/2098*100 = 3.86% larger than 987
81mph * 1.0386 = 84mph
Now do you understand? To mimic a 987 in a 981, change gear at 7300rpm
Edited by Twinfan on Friday 27th December 12:39
Essential said:
Having owned pretty much everything in the list my pick of the bunch would be a Cayman R. They seem to get better and better with age. I will probably get shot down on here but I really like the Cayman R with PDK gearbox - it just works well.
+1 on the PDK. (Dons tin hat and runs for cover). Some of the software is a bit old school now but I love it.On track it’s works great with Cup2’s and track based geo, it’s got to be as quick as a well set up GT4 and very similar to drive. It dances about a bit more than my GT4 ever did but in a really nice way.
Twinfan said:
I'll say it again one more time so maybe you'll finally get it. In gear speeds depend on wheel/tyre rolling circumference (19" vs 20") and max engine revs.
Facts are fine as long as they are put in context:
The 981 has 500rpm more than a 987R (7300 vs 7800):
81mph * 1.0386 = 84mph
Now do you understand? To mimic a 987 in a 981, change gear at 7300rpm
I've always wondered about this. Thanks for the explanation. Would it be an advantage to have a higher redline for the GTS? Let's say the R and the GTS raced starting in 2nd gear - the R would shift first at 7300 rpm and would be in 3rd with a lower multiplier. Since the GTS has an extra 500 revs in 2nd gear, would it accelerate faster than than the R since the R is in 3rd? I guess it also depends on what the power curve looks like for both cars.Facts are fine as long as they are put in context:
The 981 has 500rpm more than a 987R (7300 vs 7800):
- 76mph / 7300rpm = 0.0104
- 0.0104 * 7800rpm = 81mph
- 987 rolling circumference (19" wheels, 265/35/19 rear tyres) = 2098mm
- 981 rolling circumference (20" wheels, 265/35/20 rear tyres) = 2179mm
- 981 is (2179-2098)/2098*100 = 3.86% larger than 987
81mph * 1.0386 = 84mph
Now do you understand? To mimic a 987 in a 981, change gear at 7300rpm
Edited by Twinfan on Friday 27th December 12:39
Prestonese said:
Andyoz said:
My personal view on these cars is if I bought it, had it for 3 years and put 15k miles in it I might be £5-10k down when I sell. That fall won't be solely due to mileage.
Not a popular view here but it's what I think and am weighing up.
Pretty sure running one of these will cost you regardless of where the market will go and if these become classics or not. I doubt they will so it's pointless talking about residuals.Not a popular view here but it's what I think and am weighing up.
I would look at the white Ashgood car but just don't fancy white. If there was one around in red or grey, that would be more interesting.
Andyoz said:
This is the only one I've ever seen for sale. Looks great in yellow.https://cazana.com/uk/car/N8JGO
Thanks, that was quick...
Have to say, think I like the more traditional rim color like in this video (as well as the Speed Yellow car).
Any owners like to have a listen to the drive-bys and tell me if that's a stock PSE?
https://youtu.be/K8AJOdGL6Ro
Have to say, think I like the more traditional rim color like in this video (as well as the Speed Yellow car).
Any owners like to have a listen to the drive-bys and tell me if that's a stock PSE?
https://youtu.be/K8AJOdGL6Ro
Edited by Andyoz on Monday 30th December 23:50
On the question of Ashgood, my first Cayman was bought from them. They were very easy folks to deal with. Yes, they were happy to haggle (a bit). Their after sales service was excellent. I had a couple of dud sensors and all was sorted without fuss. They were happy to pick up from Heathrow or drop off. I would absolutely buy from them again.
BrotherMouzone said:
AFAIK only two UK Speed Yellow; one being the press car.
The press car has no air con; it was last for sale a few (three?) years ago.
Yep was £35k and took 6 months to sellThe press car has no air con; it was last for sale a few (three?) years ago.
A pro racer driver bought it in the end.
Was a bargain really, but no AC cars really do seem to stick .
Porsche911R said:
BrotherMouzone said:
AFAIK only two UK Speed Yellow; one being the press car.
The press car has no air con; it was last for sale a few (three?) years ago.
Yep was £35k and took 6 months to sellThe press car has no air con; it was last for sale a few (three?) years ago.
A pro racer driver bought it in the end.
Was a bargain really, but no AC cars really do seem to stick .
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