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Frrair said:
Wrong wheels, wrong seats, wrong gearbox, high (ish) mileage. Other than that, looks ok...freedman said:
No such thing as the 'wrong' gearbox
Was for sale 12 months ago, but was about 40k then
Very cheap car
Agree on that, Let's please not start a PDK VS Manual argument on this thread please.Was for sale 12 months ago, but was about 40k then
Very cheap car
Manual does seem to hold some favour though with regards price on an R though rightly or wrongly.
Wrong wheels and seats though and higher mileage than some.
Budflicker said:
Agree on that, Let's please not start a PDK VS Manual argument on this thread please.
Manual does seem to hold some favour though with regards price on an R though rightly or wrongly.
Wrong wheels and seats though and higher mileage than some.
Made me squirm a bit initially - mine is a few hundred miles under 40k. Then after a few moments of reflection considered that mine has the right amount of options plus the right seats, wheels (whispers......manual gearbox), climate, PSE, Sport Chrono etc. I think (....hope....) that the wheels and seats are killing the price on this particular one, and the long list of options effectively negating most of the R weight savings and removing the temptation for the purists and the R enthusiasts. Manual does seem to hold some favour though with regards price on an R though rightly or wrongly.
Wrong wheels and seats though and higher mileage than some.
s3 akr said:
Made me squirm a bit initially - mine is a few hundred miles under 40k. Then after a few moments of reflection considered that mine has the right amount of options plus the right seats, wheels (whispers......manual gearbox), climate, PSE, Sport Chrono etc. I think (....hope....) that the wheels and seats are killing the price on this particular one, and the long list of options effectively negating most of the R weight savings and removing the temptation for the purists and the R enthusiasts.
Mine too is a couple of hundred shy of 40k miles now too. I love it just as much now as i did the day i bought it.Loved commuting in it this week, still feels tight as a drum and pin sharp on the road.
Was thinking along the same lines when reading about the GTS 4.0 this week. I'm not convinced it will be the purist car (or what marketing slogan) a lot of the forum posters are looking for. It will be nice and the engine will be interesting but you just know it will be too competent for road use and thus will be mostly sterile unless you take it to the track. It might be a good all rounder but I doubt that will be a consideration for many. Besides, I prefer the 981 CGTS / 987R looks. Both likely to sound better as well.
Look at it this way, the 718 GTS although lovely, I'm not sure it is going to blow away an R once you start driving.
The R has advantages
3.4ltr 330hp engine in a high state of tune with no GPF fitted Vs a detuned 394hp 4.0ltr with a GPF.
Hydraulic power steering with bags of feel vs EPS, although the Porsche EPS is now very good.
The R also weighs 110kg less.
And to boot the R is a rare car 215 or so C16 UK cars.
Tempting as a new shiny thing is I think I'm going g to stick for a bit.
Will they make a 718 R though with the new engine?
The R has advantages
3.4ltr 330hp engine in a high state of tune with no GPF fitted Vs a detuned 394hp 4.0ltr with a GPF.
Hydraulic power steering with bags of feel vs EPS, although the Porsche EPS is now very good.
The R also weighs 110kg less.
And to boot the R is a rare car 215 or so C16 UK cars.
Tempting as a new shiny thing is I think I'm going g to stick for a bit.
Will they make a 718 R though with the new engine?
Prestonese said:
I am London based actually.
Early thoughts are great but I haven't really pushed it in the cold weather. I had a year or so in an Alpine though so the Cayman feels heavy in comparison. Will have to wait a while now before I give it a proper blast.
It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the R:Alpine comparison. I deliberated between the two for several months and after having driven both (including the Alpine at Goodwood), I plumped for a manual R. Can't beat the flat six wail. I agree the R doesn't feel as light or float along the road with the same majesty as the Alpine. However, the R is an altogether more involving experience and feels special. No regrets thus far from my side.Early thoughts are great but I haven't really pushed it in the cold weather. I had a year or so in an Alpine though so the Cayman feels heavy in comparison. Will have to wait a while now before I give it a proper blast.
Budflicker said:
Look at it this way, the 718 GTS although lovely, I'm not sure it is going to blow away an R once you start driving.
The R has advantages
3.4ltr 330hp engine in a high state of tune with no GPF fitted Vs a detuned 394hp 4.0ltr with a GPF.
Hydraulic power steering with bags of feel vs EPS, although the Porsche EPS is now very good.
The R also weighs 110kg less.
And to boot the R is a rare car 215 or so C16 UK cars.
Tempting as a new shiny thing is I think I'm going g to stick for a bit.
Will they make a 718 R though with the new engine?
I'd agree with that but the thing is there are a few more options out there to make potential R buyers stop and think at least before handing over the money.The R has advantages
3.4ltr 330hp engine in a high state of tune with no GPF fitted Vs a detuned 394hp 4.0ltr with a GPF.
Hydraulic power steering with bags of feel vs EPS, although the Porsche EPS is now very good.
The R also weighs 110kg less.
And to boot the R is a rare car 215 or so C16 UK cars.
Tempting as a new shiny thing is I think I'm going g to stick for a bit.
Will they make a 718 R though with the new engine?
I'm pretty sure the R is a car I'd like to own but weighing up all the other Porsche options out there before stumping up £40k. That can buy alot of used Porsche now even if some are a more sanitised drive. You also starting thinking, if I add another £10-20k onto that...what could I buy?
The markets just a bit more crowded now in terms of Caymans.
Edited by Andyoz on Sunday 19th January 16:43
b4llyd said:
Prestonese said:
I am London based actually.
Early thoughts are great but I haven't really pushed it in the cold weather. I had a year or so in an Alpine though so the Cayman feels heavy in comparison. Will have to wait a while now before I give it a proper blast.
It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the R:Alpine comparison. I deliberated between the two for several months and after having driven both (including the Alpine at Goodwood), I plumped for a manual R. Can't beat the flat six wail. I agree the R doesn't feel as light or float along the road with the same majesty as the Alpine. However, the R is an altogether more involving experience and feels special. No regrets thus far from my side.Early thoughts are great but I haven't really pushed it in the cold weather. I had a year or so in an Alpine though so the Cayman feels heavy in comparison. Will have to wait a while now before I give it a proper blast.
I suspect the R will be more challenging to master but will keep you interested for longer. I doubt there is a clear cut preference (other than I think I prefer them both to the 981 and 718) but I'm really glad I've got to experience owning them.
Prestonese said:
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I suspect the R will be more challenging to master but will keep you interested for longer. I doubt there is a clear cut preference (other than I think I prefer them both to the 981 and 718) but I'm really glad I've got to experience owning them.
You make a really serious point - a car has to continuously engage you after the initial euphoria has worn off. At my age I'm probably a slow learner, but the Alpine has still a lot to teach me! Because it is so benign I'm tempted to push it where, with my 981, I'd fear it would bite. I suspect the R will be more challenging to master but will keep you interested for longer. I doubt there is a clear cut preference (other than I think I prefer them both to the 981 and 718) but I'm really glad I've got to experience owning them.
Prestonese said:
A1Diego said:
Many thanks and 100%, would be great to discuss early thoughts. I’m assuming your alias points to where you’re based? I’m Thames Valley.
I am London based actually. Edited by A1Diego on Friday 17th January 17:43
Early thoughts are great but I haven't really pushed it in the cold weather. I had a year or so in an Alpine though so the Cayman feels heavy in comparison. Will have to wait a while now before I give it a proper blast.
Ditto, as I don’t know the limits of the car at all, not been keen to overdo it round fast corners. Plenty quick, brakes are not sharp as I would like though but perhaps I need to learn the car more. Sound is addictive.
Andyoz said:
Budflicker said:
Look at it this way, the 718 GTS although lovely, I'm not sure it is going to blow away an R once you start driving.
The R has advantages
3.4ltr 330hp engine in a high state of tune with no GPF fitted Vs a detuned 394hp 4.0ltr with a GPF.
Hydraulic power steering with bags of feel vs EPS, although the Porsche EPS is now very good.
The R also weighs 110kg less.
And to boot the R is a rare car 215 or so C16 UK cars.
Tempting as a new shiny thing is I think I'm going g to stick for a bit.
Will they make a 718 R though with the new engine?
I'd agree with that but the thing is there are a few more options out there to make potential R buyers stop and think at least before handing over the money.The R has advantages
3.4ltr 330hp engine in a high state of tune with no GPF fitted Vs a detuned 394hp 4.0ltr with a GPF.
Hydraulic power steering with bags of feel vs EPS, although the Porsche EPS is now very good.
The R also weighs 110kg less.
And to boot the R is a rare car 215 or so C16 UK cars.
Tempting as a new shiny thing is I think I'm going g to stick for a bit.
Will they make a 718 R though with the new engine?
I'm pretty sure the R is a car I'd like to own but weighing up all the other Porsche options out there before stumping up £40k. That can buy alot of used Porsche now even if some are a more sanitised drive. You also starting thinking, if I add another £10-20k onto that...what could I buy?
The markets just a bit more crowded now in terms of Caymans.
Edited by Andyoz on Sunday 19th January 16:43
bcr5784 said:
Prestonese said:
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I suspect the R will be more challenging to master but will keep you interested for longer. I doubt there is a clear cut preference (other than I think I prefer them both to the 981 and 718) but I'm really glad I've got to experience owning them.
You make a really serious point - a car has to continuously engage you after the initial euphoria has worn off. At my age I'm probably a slow learner, but the Alpine has still a lot to teach me! Because it is so benign I'm tempted to push it where, with my 981, I'd fear it would bite. I suspect the R will be more challenging to master but will keep you interested for longer. I doubt there is a clear cut preference (other than I think I prefer them both to the 981 and 718) but I'm really glad I've got to experience owning them.
I get what you mean with the Alpine. I suspect you could do some things on the road and get away with it whereas you'd be in a bit of bother in other cars so most of us don't even bother trying.
A1Diego said:
Budflicker said:
Will they make a 718 R though with the new engine?
Isn’t the present day equivalent the GT4? I wonder if the 3.0 engine from the 911 without the turbo could be used for a stripped out basic special? That would be quite an interesting proposition if they could engineer it into the 718 and keep costs down.
A1Diego said:
Prestonese said:
A1Diego said:
Many thanks and 100%, would be great to discuss early thoughts. I’m assuming your alias points to where you’re based? I’m Thames Valley.
I am London based actually. Edited by A1Diego on Friday 17th January 17:43
Early thoughts are great but I haven't really pushed it in the cold weather. I had a year or so in an Alpine though so the Cayman feels heavy in comparison. Will have to wait a while now before I give it a proper blast.
Ditto, as I don’t know the limits of the car at all, not been keen to overdo it round fast corners. Plenty quick, brakes are not sharp as I would like though but perhaps I need to learn the car more. Sound is addictive.
There are plenty of things you can do to improve the standard brakes. Pretty sure it is covered on this thread if you delve into the archives far enough.
I was lucky to get one with ceramics and the set I have seem to have bedded in well and don't grab as sharply as I feared in the initial phases but they are bloody effective.
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