Cayman R Chat

[Andyoz]

Prestonese said:

A1Diego said:

Budflicker said:

Will they make a 718 R though with the new engine?

Isn’t the present day equivalent the GT4?

Difficult for me to see that happening. I would expect the R to be more expensive than the GTS but then it would encroach into GT4 prices. Even with the nuances Porsche manage to eke out, it seems problematic to me.

I wonder if the 3.0 engine from the 911 without the turbo could be used for a stripped out basic special? That would be quite an interesting proposition if they could engineer it into the 718 and keep costs down.

That's what I'd like to see.
Shorter gearing one not setup to be a daily cruiser too. Revs to 8k+....Light....

Final swansong for the flat 6 which bucks this constant power and 0-60 times BS that's taken over cars this last decade.

Won't happen though.

[Andyoz]

A1Diego said:

Andyoz said:

Budflicker said:

Look at it this way, the 718 GTS although lovely, I'm not sure it is going to blow away an R once you start driving.

The R has advantages

3.4ltr 330hp engine in a high state of tune with no GPF fitted Vs a detuned 394hp 4.0ltr with a GPF.

Hydraulic power steering with bags of feel vs EPS, although the Porsche EPS is now very good.

The R also weighs 110kg less.

And to boot the R is a rare car 215 or so C16 UK cars.

Tempting as a new shiny thing is I think I'm going g to stick for a bit.

Will they make a 718 R though with the new engine?

I'd agree with that but the thing is there are a few more options out there to make potential R buyers stop and think at least before handing over the money.

I'm pretty sure the R is a car I'd like to own but weighing up all the other Porsche options out there before stumping up £40k. That can buy alot of used Porsche now even if some are a more sanitised drive. You also starting thinking, if I add another £10-20k onto that...what could I buy?

The markets just a bit more crowded now in terms of Caymans.

Edited by Andyoz on Sunday 19th January 16:43

Have you considered an Evora 400 as an alternative to the R?

When I was buying my 987 a Lotus Elise owning friend said I should try Evora. I didn't get a chance and 987 got to me first.

I suspect there may be a lotus at some stage. He's got an Elise with the Toyota engine that revs like crazy. Silly prices for even those ATM and was worried about Lotus reliability 'thing'. At my age, I just need a car thats works all the time.

[Prestonese]

Andyoz said:

Prestonese said:

A1Diego said:

Budflicker said:

Will they make a 718 R though with the new engine?

Isn’t the present day equivalent the GT4?

Difficult for me to see that happening. I would expect the R to be more expensive than the GTS but then it would encroach into GT4 prices. Even with the nuances Porsche manage to eke out, it seems problematic to me.

I wonder if the 3.0 engine from the 911 without the turbo could be used for a stripped out basic special? That would be quite an interesting proposition if they could engineer it into the 718 and keep costs down.

That's what I'd like to see.
Shorter gearing one not setup to be a daily cruiser too. Revs to 8k+....Light....

Final swansong for the flat 6 which bucks this constant power and 0-60 times BS that's taken over cars this last decade.

Won't happen though.

That's the thing. I get the excitement about the 4.0 GTS but it still seems like much of muchness to me (and bloody expensive) and mainly because of the lack of real enthusiasm for the standard 718.

[Andyoz]

Prestonese said:

Andyoz said:

Prestonese said:

A1Diego said:

Budflicker said:

Will they make a 718 R though with the new engine?

Isn’t the present day equivalent the GT4?

Difficult for me to see that happening. I would expect the R to be more expensive than the GTS but then it would encroach into GT4 prices. Even with the nuances Porsche manage to eke out, it seems problematic to me.

I wonder if the 3.0 engine from the 911 without the turbo could be used for a stripped out basic special? That would be quite an interesting proposition if they could engineer it into the 718 and keep costs down.

That's what I'd like to see.
Shorter gearing one not setup to be a daily cruiser too. Revs to 8k+....Light....

Final swansong for the flat 6 which bucks this constant power and 0-60 times BS that's taken over cars this last decade.

Won't happen though.

That's the thing. I get the excitement about the 4.0 GTS but it still seems like much of muchness to me (and bloody expensive) and mainly because of the lack of real enthusiasm for the standard 718.

Yes, instead of torque vectoring etc give us some aluminium panels please.

There's still the weight of particulate filters. If only Porsche has been able to nail a more mainstream 6 pot 718 before environmental took over. It's all a bloody mess haha...

[A1Diego]

bcr5784 said:

A1Diego said:

Have you considered an Evora 400 as an alternative to the R?

Everyone should, but I suspect few do.

What did you think?

[Porsche911R]

A1Diego said:

What did you think?

I would say the revised 410 is where it’s at, the 400 is not that great, old build issues and quite heavy.

The 410 is far lighter very rare and lower Cof G.
Infact the 410 shed a rather large 70kg from the 400.

I am so close over one of these 2017 cars or a 997.2
I have ruled out the 718 GTS at £78k

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 19th January 22:05

[bcr5784]

A1Diego said:

What did you think?

I've not driven an R so can't make that comparison. But I thought it had a nicer engine than my 981s, better gear ratios, much better steering and more agile handling. So whether you would prefer it to an R I can't say - but it's a car that people ought to try before buying a comparably priced Porsche. It seems to me the buyer of an R is looking for something more engaging than the mainstream Porsches and isn't that fussed about infotainment and bling is of a similar mindset as an Evora buyer.

Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 20th January 09:14

Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 20th January 09:16

[anonymous-user]

The Lotus is not a car to buy - unless you have children with no legs (tiny rear seats, zero legroom) and enjoy driving a car with no rear visibility whatsoever (the supercharger standing high above the Camry engine which is already over the gearbox).

Another "alternative" is a 4-pot turbo Alpine but few would be distracted by a French tin-top with mandatory automatic transmission.

For a genuine, modern, purpose built sports car with real driver involvement there's a clear place to put your money.

[Porsche911R]

rockin said:

The Lotus is not a car to buy - unless you have children with no legs (tiny rear seats, zero legroom) and enjoy driving a car with no rear visibility whatsoever (the supercharger standing high above the Camry engine which is already over the gearbox).

Another "alternative" is a 4-pot turbo Alpine but few would be distracted by a French tin-top with mandatory automatic transmission.

For a genuine, modern, purpose built sports car with real driver involvement there's a clear place to put your money.

this is a Cayman R and now seems to be a 4.0l GTS and GT4 thread, none even have rear seats !!! again neither does the A110 so the Evora rear seat issue is a moot point to bring up imho.

I would want rear seat delete option on the Evora anyway so I have more luggage space.

for £60k the Evora 410 is prob the best drivers car and has by far the best steering and power to weight.

I would take a 10k mile GT4 at £60k over one, but we are not quite at those prices yet, but imo it's won't be long.

[anonymous-user]

If people are looking for an ageing 4-seater with the rear seats removed, good luck to 'em!

Remember, former Lotus CEO Dany Bahar was trying to get away from Evora a decade ago.

[Porsche911R]

rockin said:

If people are looking for an ageing 4-seater with the rear seats removed, good luck to 'em!

Remember, former Lotus CEO Dany Bahar was trying to get away from Evora a decade ago.

that's the appeal, I hate new cars, with EPS and PFF etc etc they are dead to me to drive.

the Evora build went up and up after the 400, they knocked 70KG out the car and it's a real 410BHP not a PS figure.
it's also way lighter than any thing Porsche make now.

the 410 and the whole new range got tweaked and tweaked to the best they can be, call them "refined" now.
"with impurities or unwanted elements having been removed by processing." it's the perfect word and what Lotus did after Dany left.

Dany Bahar was deluded.

if you like modern cars with EPS and petrol filters and want a Top end PCM, then yes you might look at a 992

if you want a car to feel great when driving you cannot go far wrong with a Evora 410 imo.
great brakes, great steering, light weight after the refinments, and build up 10 fold, really nice Carbon work on the cars also all up top to lower the CoG and combat that engine.

It would make your 981 feel dead in the water and slow.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 20th January 11:38

[anonymous-user]

Porsche911R said:

It would make your 981 feel dead in the water and slow.

Any relevance to the subject, or just venting some pent-up frustrations?

I had previously been disappointed by Evora and was hoping to buy an Exige V6. Although Exige was very fast it wasn't actually much use as a car. So I went to try the newly-launched 981 and was immediately impressed. I am not in the least bit concerned that, as you so earnestly insist, it's dead in the water and slow.

[Porsche911R]

rockin said:

Any relevance to the subject, or just venting some pent-up frustrations?

I had previously been disappointed by Evora and was hoping to buy an Exige V6. Although Exige was very fast it wasn't actually much use as a car. So I went to try the newly-launched 981 and was immediately impressed. I am not in the least bit concerned that, as you so earnestly insist, it's dead in the water and slow.

just reply to your daft comments nothing more.
"looking for an ageing 4-seater with the rear seats removed"

a lot of people DON'T want a car with EPS esp one as bad as in the 981 !!!

[A1Diego]

rockin said:

Porsche911R said:

It would make your 981 feel dead in the water and slow.

Any relevance to the subject, or just venting some pent-up frustrations?

I had previously been disappointed by Evora and was hoping to buy an Exige V6. Although Exige was very fast it wasn't actually much use as a car. So I went to try the newly-launched 981 and was immediately impressed. I am not in the least bit concerned that, as you so earnestly insist, it's dead in the water and slow.

I think we are digressing somewhat. The reason I mentioned Evora in the first place as it’s more of a “real” experience like the R. I could see (some) R lovers enjoy the Evora though acknowledge build quality won’t be to the same standard but the Toyota engine is rock solid.

I think you allow the supercharged version and get the original NA or the 400/410 due to mpg and tax and get the 400+ if you want to use the seats at the back because it became more useable.

If the GT4 hits £60k, would some R owners be tempted ? I’ve not driven one so have no idea how it compares in terms of fun factor.

[Budflicker]

A1Diego said:

If the GT4 hits £60k, would some R owners be tempted ?

I've wondered this myself, I would really need a decent drive in a GT4 first to say.

Will it be much better in real world on road driving?

There is also the fact that the R is a much rarer car (mine particularly as it is a one off PTS) to factor in.

Looks wise i think the R looks just as good.


Here is mine parked next to a 981 GT4 and a 981S for an example;



Not saying the R looks better or worse, just different.

[boxsey]

A1Diego said:

If the GT4 hits £60k, would some R owners be tempted ? I’ve not driven one so have no idea how it compares in terms of fun factor.

I went from R to GT4. They are dead equal on the fun factor IMO. I went to the GT4 because it's a much better track car (fairly obvious statement) as that is my main use for it. But as I say, I can't split them when it comes to the fun factor.

[Andyoz]

boxsey said:

A1Diego said:

If the GT4 hits £60k, would some R owners be tempted ? I’ve not driven one so have no idea how it compares in terms of fun factor.

I went from R to GT4. They are dead equal on the fun factor IMO. I went to the GT4 because it's a much better track car (fairly obvious statement) as that is my main use for it. But as I say, I can't split them when it comes to the fun factor.

This is what I was getting at. There's a few more choices about to distract buyers from the R since this thread was created.

At the very least, they make potential buyers (like me) sit and wait. You have amazing examples of 987 gen 1's out there and even if some of them are a ticking time bomb they give you 85% (?) of the R experience at a third the price. That's a big attraction when the cars only a weekend fun thing. Most importantly, don't care about putting miles on them.

I'm not talking down R prices, just explaining this lads thought process ATM. The 987.1S excites me enough for now and leaves me cash for driver tuition, club things, etc

I'm in Oz on holiday ATM and the number of drivers I see in the sun driving old Boxsters with a massive grins on their faces says it all. There alot of fun to be had at the Poverty Porker end of the spectrum.

[anonymous-user]

Porsche911R said:

a lot of people DON'T want a car with EPS esp one as bad as in the 981 !!!

I see your long term room-mate cmoose let you have another go on the keyboard.

[bcr5784]

rockin said:

If people are looking for an ageing 4-seater with the rear seats removed, good luck to 'em!
.

I might counter with if people are looking for an old fashioned 2 seater with naff infotainment good look to them too. Point is people seriously looking at an R aren't bothered about the fact that it looks a bit old fashioned in some areas - it's about the way it drives. Likewise possible Evora buyers.

[bigmowley]

boxsey said:

A1Diego said:

If the GT4 hits £60k, would some R owners be tempted ? I’ve not driven one so have no idea how it compares in terms of fun factor.

I went from R to GT4. They are dead equal on the fun factor IMO. I went to the GT4 because it's a much better track car (fairly obvious statement) as that is my main use for it. But as I say, I can't split them when it comes to the fun factor.

I went the other way, GT4 to R. Tracked both extensively. Standard car GT4 is sooo good on track it’s awesome. Standard R is a lot less happy on track, still ok, just a bit out of its comfort zone. Lightly modified R is superb on track, just a few light tweaks to the brakes, geometry, tyres and its good to go. Mine is PDK so even better on track, it’s a little sweetie.
On the road the GT4 is the more complete car but pound for pound at the current prices the R is a bargain.
The R will never be like a 997GT3 Gen2, arguably the best in breed, and better than its successor IMO. However it holds its head up high as the first generation of more focused Cayman.