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frayz said:
White looks stunning on silver wheels. Nice list of intended upgrades, personally i like either the PFC brake fluid or Motul RBF 600/660.
I have the OEM Porsche short shift fitted but also have a Numeric setup to be fitted but haven't got around to doing it yet.
I think the OEM short shift is a really nice throw but agree it could be a little tighter in terms accuracy of movement.
Enjoy
Cheers Frayz, thanks for the heads up on brake fluid, how much would I require to flush and refill with Motul 660?I have the OEM Porsche short shift fitted but also have a Numeric setup to be fitted but haven't got around to doing it yet.
I think the OEM short shift is a really nice throw but agree it could be a little tighter in terms accuracy of movement.
Enjoy
Fwiw just fitted OEM short shift to my car which took me about 2 hours to do and was pleasantly surprised by the purchase price at £256 from Porsche Colchester incl. 10 pct discount for Porsche club GB membership.
I have been using Endless RF650 brake fluid on my car for 2 years and no complaints after multiple track days.
I have been using Endless RF650 brake fluid on my car for 2 years and no complaints after multiple track days.
Rocket. said:
Fwiw just fitted OEM short shift to my car which took me about 2 hours to do and was pleasantly surprised by the purchase price at £256 from Porsche Colchester incl. 10 pct discount for Porsche club GB membership.
I have been using Endless RF650 brake fluid on my car for 2 years and no complaints after multiple track days.
And if it's good enough for the Mercedes Petronas F1 team it's probably ....I have been using Endless RF650 brake fluid on my car for 2 years and no complaints after multiple track days.
I used the same stuff in my CR, it was very good.
Endless RF650, Motul RB660 or Castrol SRF are all ideal.
K400RDY said:
Porsche911R said:
FTW said:
Hamperman said:
This is exactly where I find myself. My R will be 8 years in a few months time and I think it’s time to take it out of the OPC network so I’m not restricted by everything being OEM. I’m still on the original Mol battery so I assume that must be nearly on the way out.
Out of interest what subtle mods can you do to these and are any a DIY job? What are braided lines re the brake fluid change?
1. Modern tyres not the ancient N rated PS2s. Out of interest what subtle mods can you do to these and are any a DIY job? What are braided lines re the brake fluid change?
2. More aggressive geo.
3. 5mm front spacers
Brings the chassis alive IMO.
Most cars have mods anyway by now even OPC cars. the 111 check is more about tyres and batttery to flog you crap very expensive ones.
they would never check disks, pads or anything use full in a111 check.
MY OPC R came with chineese 50p rear pads, lucky it's one of the 1st things I swap out, they just crumbled up so thank goodness I did swap my pads.
What are thoughts from people who have just bought / looking to buy regrading mods and prospective values ?
I know when i came to sell my M3 CSL at 14 yrs old buyers had switched and were looking for non modified cars.
Agreed it is crap how OPC focus on Tyres / battery and the like.
My nearest Indy is Marque 21 in Dorset, Any other suggestions for Independents? I do not mind travelling for a highly respected outfit.
they have uprated AP brakes,
proper intrax suspension
repaired subframe with bracing or roll cage
and now they even offer the manual conversion for peanuts.....
I feel like buying a second one......well, other than thinking about a PDK Cayman R
HokumPokum said:
modded CSLs are the best
they have uprated AP brakes,
proper intrax suspension
repaired subframe with bracing or roll cage
and now they even offer the manual conversion for peanuts.....
I feel like buying a second one......well, other than thinking about a PDK Cayman R
This should help the decision making process ...they have uprated AP brakes,
proper intrax suspension
repaired subframe with bracing or roll cage
and now they even offer the manual conversion for peanuts.....
I feel like buying a second one......well, other than thinking about a PDK Cayman R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT8rlEi-iDo
I am keeping my caged CSL.It's the most balanced car I've driven on track. The roll cage creaks when car is first started and there is no ac/stereo but as a pure weapon and driving experience, it's better than my RS.
Thing is I'm looking for another road legal track capable car.
And, maybe through rose tinting, I have always liked my Cayman R which I sold to get the RS. As a novice then the cayman R was extremely friendly and supple. I loved that the brakes were slightly softer which allowed for easy heel and toe on the road yet when you lean on it on track delivered enough stopping power. But, my experiences with it were more road rather than track and I had a manual whereas now I would rather go PDK. I know newer caymans prolly shift better but hey, my standards are low, I find the smg in my csl completely acceptable...
thing is would I be better off buying a cayman S then spending 15k to mod (ie suspension, brakes, seats/harness, kmp steering wheel) rather than a cayman R? do like the green one available now though.
so go for an alpine S. newer and prolly faster but no aftermarket support.
or an exige 350 IPS.
Don't really care about re-sale. I only care that whatever i have can take the track punishment.
Thing is I'm looking for another road legal track capable car.
And, maybe through rose tinting, I have always liked my Cayman R which I sold to get the RS. As a novice then the cayman R was extremely friendly and supple. I loved that the brakes were slightly softer which allowed for easy heel and toe on the road yet when you lean on it on track delivered enough stopping power. But, my experiences with it were more road rather than track and I had a manual whereas now I would rather go PDK. I know newer caymans prolly shift better but hey, my standards are low, I find the smg in my csl completely acceptable...
thing is would I be better off buying a cayman S then spending 15k to mod (ie suspension, brakes, seats/harness, kmp steering wheel) rather than a cayman R? do like the green one available now though.
so go for an alpine S. newer and prolly faster but no aftermarket support.
or an exige 350 IPS.
Don't really care about re-sale. I only care that whatever i have can take the track punishment.
Edited by HokumPokum on Sunday 23 February 08:59
HokumPokum said:
I am keeping my caged CSL.It's the most balanced car I've driven on track. The roll cage creaks when car is first started and there is no ac/stereo but as a pure weapon and driving experience, it's better than my RS.
Thing is I'm looking for another road legal track capable car.
And, maybe through rose tinting, I have always liked my Cayman R which I sold to get the RS. As a novice then the cayman R was extremely friendly and supple. I loved that the brakes were slightly softer which allowed for easy heel and toe on the road yet when you lean on it on track delivered enough stopping power. But, my experiences with it were more road rather than track and I had a manual whereas now I would rather go PDK. I know newer caymans prolly shift better but hey, my standards are low, I find the smg in my csl completely acceptable...
thing is would I be better off buying a cayman S then spending 15k to mod (ie suspension, brakes, seats/harness, kmp steering wheel) rather than a cayman R? do like the green one available now though.
so go for an alpine S. newer and prolly faster but no aftermarket support.
or an exige 350 IPS.
Don't really care about re-sale. I only care that whatever i have can take the track punishment.
Exige 410 then.Thing is I'm looking for another road legal track capable car.
And, maybe through rose tinting, I have always liked my Cayman R which I sold to get the RS. As a novice then the cayman R was extremely friendly and supple. I loved that the brakes were slightly softer which allowed for easy heel and toe on the road yet when you lean on it on track delivered enough stopping power. But, my experiences with it were more road rather than track and I had a manual whereas now I would rather go PDK. I know newer caymans prolly shift better but hey, my standards are low, I find the smg in my csl completely acceptable...
thing is would I be better off buying a cayman S then spending 15k to mod (ie suspension, brakes, seats/harness, kmp steering wheel) rather than a cayman R? do like the green one available now though.
so go for an alpine S. newer and prolly faster but no aftermarket support.
or an exige 350 IPS.
Don't really care about re-sale. I only care that whatever i have can take the track punishment.
Edited by HokumPokum on Sunday 23 February 08:59
I don’t think the 987 make good track cars unless you spend £££££ the R would be the best to mod though as it's lighter.
The PSM ruins the 987 a bit on track although you can drive round it, but the brakes are an issue and would costs lots to fix correctly.
I might buy another R but for road duty’s only.
I spent as little as I could on my Spyder and it was still £8k and I had PCCB so amazing brakes. So 8k plus £10k on brakes and £4K on shocks and another £8K on bits I wish I had,
So a £30k build project on top of an R to do it right.
Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 23 February 09:11
used exige 410 was what i was looking at but manual only. even if an auto gearbox has more parts to break and generates more heat, I like 2 pedal driving.
besides,70k is a lot for a track car and I find being precious about the car on track ruins my experience.
which was why i was thinking about starting with a 20k 987 cayman S and spending 20k on it (including labour). It would have around 50k miles though
besides,70k is a lot for a track car and I find being precious about the car on track ruins my experience.
which was why i was thinking about starting with a 20k 987 cayman S and spending 20k on it (including labour). It would have around 50k miles though
HokumPokum said:
used exige 410 was what i was looking at but manual only. even if an auto gearbox has more parts to break and generates more heat, I like 2 pedal driving.
besides,70k is a lot for a track car and I find being precious about the car on track ruins my experience.
which was why i was thinking about starting with a 20k 987 cayman S and spending 20k on it (including labour). It would have around 50k miles though
Personally if you're adding proper dampers, seats, brakes blah blah. I wouldn't bother with an R. besides,70k is a lot for a track car and I find being precious about the car on track ruins my experience.
which was why i was thinking about starting with a 20k 987 cayman S and spending 20k on it (including labour). It would have around 50k miles though
I'd buy a 987.2S and modify it to your requirements.
Although if you insist on PDK, the 981 PDK is a significantly better drive, is that worth a consideration.
HokumPokum said:
used exige 410 was what i was looking at but manual only. even if an auto gearbox has more parts to break and generates more heat, I like 2 pedal driving.
besides,70k is a lot for a track car and I find being precious about the car on track ruins my experience.
which was why i was thinking about starting with a 20k 987 cayman S and spending 20k on it (including labour). It would have around 50k miles though
I don’t see the point if you have a sorted CSL.besides,70k is a lot for a track car and I find being precious about the car on track ruins my experience.
which was why i was thinking about starting with a 20k 987 cayman S and spending 20k on it (including labour). It would have around 50k miles though
Saying that I own 3 track type cars, but that’s because normal cars are dull as hell.
An R for £40k plus £30k is £70k anyway, spend less and imo you will be frustrated on track unless you only drive at 75%
You can buy a Exige 410 2nd hand for 64k.
The brakes make my Spyder on track, so that would be the big issue.
you do realise that the PCCBs will die from track usage and would be better doing a Alcon/Ap upgrade from day-1.
is the 981 PDK a lot better from a track usage perspective? the 991.1 Gt3 is ideal but for the cost. At 100k still way too expensive.
The CSL is an old car now and still heavy. Mine weighs 1380kg with a full tank of gas and 80kg of steel tubing. Time for something lighter i think
is the 981 PDK a lot better from a track usage perspective? the 991.1 Gt3 is ideal but for the cost. At 100k still way too expensive.
The CSL is an old car now and still heavy. Mine weighs 1380kg with a full tank of gas and 80kg of steel tubing. Time for something lighter i think
Edited by HokumPokum on Sunday 23 February 12:18
HokumPokum said:
you do realise that the PCCBs will die from track usage and would be better doing a Alcon/Ap upgrade from day-1.
is the 981 PDK a lot better from a track usage perspective? the 991.1 Gt3 is ideal but for the cost. At 100k still way too expensive.
The CSL is an old car now and still heavy. Mine weighs 1380kg with a full tank of gas and 80kg of steel tubing. Time for something lighter i think
You can resurface the PCCB for £4K all 4.is the 981 PDK a lot better from a track usage perspective? the 991.1 Gt3 is ideal but for the cost. At 100k still way too expensive.
The CSL is an old car now and still heavy. Mine weighs 1380kg with a full tank of gas and 80kg of steel tubing. Time for something lighter i think
Edited by HokumPokum on Sunday 23 February 12:18
An ap setup is £10k. Why spend £10k when I can spend £4K later on if they ever need doing. I don’t track it now so it’s just a fun road car.
A 981 is a great car esp in PDK but I hate the steering on those, which is such a shame as bar that a great car. It the 911 calipers go straight on so easy cheap brake upgrade.
Also tunes to 380bhp and with PDK and a setup would beat most GT4's . But I don’t get the automatic track thing ! I find the whole concept very odd but that’s just my personal view.
Imo you are better off learning a skill set, it makes track driving fun over lapping and lapping in a car which does most of it ! I don’t see the point.
If you want the feel maybe the Evora ips. I think they made 6 or so lol so you might find one. The older 410 ips is about £60k
HokumPokum said:
used exige 410 was what i was looking at but manual only. even if an auto gearbox has more parts to break and generates more heat, I like 2 pedal driving.
besides,70k is a lot for a track car and I find being precious about the car on track ruins my experience.
which was why i was thinking about starting with a 20k 987 cayman S and spending 20k on it (including labour). It would have around 50k miles though
I was thinking older V6 with Komotec, but didn't expect to find one with IPS.besides,70k is a lot for a track car and I find being precious about the car on track ruins my experience.
which was why i was thinking about starting with a 20k 987 cayman S and spending 20k on it (including labour). It would have around 50k miles though
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Porsche911R said:
You can resurface the PCCB for £4K all 4.
An ap setup is £10k. Why spend £10k when I can spend £4K later on if they ever need doing. I don’t track it now so it’s just a fun road car.
A 981 is a great car esp in PDK but I hate the steering on those, which is such a shame as bar that a great car. It the 911 calipers go straight on so easy cheap brake upgrade.
Also tunes to 380bhp and with PDK and a setup would beat most GT4's . But I don’t get the automatic track thing ! I find the whole concept very odd but that’s just my personal view.
Imo you are better off learning a skill set, it makes track driving fun over lapping and lapping in a car which does most of it ! I don’t see the point.
If you want the feel maybe the Evora ips. I think they made 6 or so lol so you might find one. The older 410 ips is about £60k
You sure David ? An ap setup is £10k. Why spend £10k when I can spend £4K later on if they ever need doing. I don’t track it now so it’s just a fun road car.
A 981 is a great car esp in PDK but I hate the steering on those, which is such a shame as bar that a great car. It the 911 calipers go straight on so easy cheap brake upgrade.
Also tunes to 380bhp and with PDK and a setup would beat most GT4's . But I don’t get the automatic track thing ! I find the whole concept very odd but that’s just my personal view.
Imo you are better off learning a skill set, it makes track driving fun over lapping and lapping in a car which does most of it ! I don’t see the point.
If you want the feel maybe the Evora ips. I think they made 6 or so lol so you might find one. The older 410 ips is about £60k
This is the American Essex 981 380mm front kit :
https://www.essexparts.com/essex-designed-ap-racin...
Price in GBP is £3400. Shipping from the US would incur additional freight charges and import duty. You could buy exactly the same calipers and discs in the UK via an AP agent, and have the bells and caliper mounting brackets machined by one of the reputable AP agents. Even with VAT you'd be in for less than £3K.
Rears could be uprated with larger diameter Giro discs or similar or go bigger still using the now redundant front calipers ?
Decent fluid and Pagid pads all round, would still see change from £4,5K
Slippydiff said:
You sure David ?
This is the American Essex 981 380mm front kit :
https://www.essexparts.com/essex-designed-ap-racin...
Price in GBP is £3400. Shipping from the US would incur additional freight charges and import duty. You could buy exactly the same calipers and discs in the UK via an AP agent, and have the bells and caliper mounting brackets machined by one of the reputable AP agents. Even with VAT you'd be in for less than £3K.
Rears could be uprated with larger diameter Giro discs or similar or go bigger still using the now redundant front calipers ?
Decent fluid and Pagid pads all round, would still see change from £4,5K
They don’t fit the 987This is the American Essex 981 380mm front kit :
https://www.essexparts.com/essex-designed-ap-racin...
Price in GBP is £3400. Shipping from the US would incur additional freight charges and import duty. You could buy exactly the same calipers and discs in the UK via an AP agent, and have the bells and caliper mounting brackets machined by one of the reputable AP agents. Even with VAT you'd be in for less than £3K.
Rears could be uprated with larger diameter Giro discs or similar or go bigger still using the now redundant front calipers ?
Decent fluid and Pagid pads all round, would still see change from £4,5K
Yes it’s cheap to upgrade the 981 as I said.
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