Cayman R Chat

[matjk]

What do people think the price differential
Should be on Man vs PDK (all other things equal) ?
It seems they are priced the same but the PDKs hang around for ages and you never know what they actually

[julian987R]

matjk said:

What do people think the price differential
Should be on Man vs PDK (all other things equal) ?
It seems they are priced the same but the PDKs hang around for ages and you never know what they actually

I don't think there should be a price difference on manual or PDK. What I do think warrants a difference is between buckets and non-bucket seats and PSE. Those 2 items, to retrofit is circa £12K. Unfortunately it does seem PDK for this model has much less love than with other modern day Porsches. Seems its a good 10K more for the manual these days.

Edited by julian987R on Thursday 12th August 21:17

[Jim1556]

julian987R said:

I don't think there should be a price difference on manual or PDK. What I do think warrants a difference is between buckets and non-bucket seats and PSE. Those 2 items, to retrofit is circa £12K. Unfortunately it does seem PDK for this model has much less love than with other modern day Porsches. Seems its a good 10K more for the manual these days.

So, stands to reason, with less love, PDK equipped cars are worth less. The market is only what people are prepared to pay for one...

[julian987R]

Jim1556 said:

julian987R said:

I don't think there should be a price difference on manual or PDK. What I do think warrants a difference is between buckets and non-bucket seats and PSE. Those 2 items, to retrofit is circa £12K. Unfortunately it does seem PDK for this model has much less love than with other modern day Porsches. Seems its a good 10K more for the manual these days.

So, stands to reason, with less love, PDK equipped cars are worth less. The market is only what people are prepared to pay for one...

It does stand to reason, i just think its a shame as i bet the PDK is epic in the R....just seems like there is unnecessary stigma associated with it. The R must be one of the most spec sensitive in the Cayman range, like the 911 T is in that range.

[Andyoz]

Jim1556 said:

julian987R said:

I don't think there should be a price difference on manual or PDK. What I do think warrants a difference is between buckets and non-bucket seats and PSE. Those 2 items, to retrofit is circa £12K. Unfortunately it does seem PDK for this model has much less love than with other modern day Porsches. Seems its a good 10K more for the manual these days.

So, stands to reason, with less love, PDK equipped cars are worth less. The market is only what people are prepared to pay for one...

Which dealers have been slow to recognise over summer hence 10 X PDK's listed for sale versus a couple in Spring before seller delusion took hold.

PDK and non bucket add weight which defeats some of the cars USP

[julian987R]

Andyoz said:

Jim1556 said:

julian987R said:

I don't think there should be a price difference on manual or PDK. What I do think warrants a difference is between buckets and non-bucket seats and PSE. Those 2 items, to retrofit is circa £12K. Unfortunately it does seem PDK for this model has much less love than with other modern day Porsches. Seems its a good 10K more for the manual these days.

So, stands to reason, with less love, PDK equipped cars are worth less. The market is only what people are prepared to pay for one...

Which dealers have been slow to recognise over summer hence 10 X PDK's listed for sale versus a couple in Spring before seller delusion took hold.

PDK and non bucket add weight which defeats some of the cars USP

Seems the prices in Europe are in doubt too. This one has come down from €100K to €91K

https://www.ruotedasogno.com/en_gb/cars/porsche/20...

[bigmowley]

There was a broadly equal split between PDK and manual when new. Clearly over time the used market favours manual. There is nothing even remotely approaching a £10K difference . Well specified, top grade cars of either transmission type are similar in value, manual being an easier sell.
I went out to buy a PDK car and it’s brilliant especially on track. Very happy with my choice and I don’t feel like I am missing anything. After all you might as well have the fastest one

[Hamperman]

bigmowley said:

There was a broadly equal split between PDK and manual when new. Clearly over time the used market favours manual. There is nothing even remotely approaching a £10K difference . Well specified, top grade cars of either transmission type are similar in value, manual being an easier sell.
I went out to buy a PDK car and it’s brilliant especially on track. Very happy with my choice and I don’t feel like I am missing anything. After all you might as well have the fastest one

I’m with you, I chose a PDK over manual too! Have all the other options, buckets, spyder, a/c, PSE, chrono and then the nice fast gearbox 🤣🤣

[julian987R]

anonymous said:

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In comparison to the prices here sure, but the mainland Europe prices for the R have always been much higher (€/£ equivalence) so it could be fair'ish. its one hell of a unicorn R for sure.

[MrVert]

bigmowley said:

There was a broadly equal split between PDK and manual when new. Clearly over time the used market favours manual. There is nothing even remotely approaching a £10K difference . Well specified, top grade cars of either transmission type are similar in value, manual being an easier sell.
I went out to buy a PDK car and it’s brilliant especially on track. Very happy with my choice and I don’t feel like I am missing anything. After all you might as well have the fastest one

I’d say that’s about spot on…

Oddly..when I bought an R, it had to be manual..

When I bought a Spyder, I was willing to have PDK….if the rest of the spec / history was right…

Ended up with a PDK car…It suits the Spyder in a way I did not expect it to…

Either way, they’re fab cars….two of the finest from Porsche in the last few years.

[Andyoz]

MrVert said:

bigmowley said:

There was a broadly equal split between PDK and manual when new. Clearly over time the used market favours manual. There is nothing even remotely approaching a £10K difference . Well specified, top grade cars of either transmission type are similar in value, manual being an easier sell.
I went out to buy a PDK car and it’s brilliant especially on track. Very happy with my choice and I don’t feel like I am missing anything. After all you might as well have the fastest one

I’d say that’s about spot on…

Oddly..when I bought an R, it had to be manual..

When I bought a Spyder, I was willing to have PDK….if the rest of the spec / history was right…

Ended up with a PDK car…It suits the Spyder in a way I did not expect it to…

Either way, they’re fab cars….two of the finest from Porsche in the last few years.

Interesting point. When I was considering a 987 Spyder I'd actually decided against buckets in that car but not so in the R.

[MrVert]

Andyoz said:

Interesting point. When I was considering a 987 Spyder I'd actually decided against buckets in that car but not so in the R.

Snap…..for the Spyder I went for sport seats….thinking I’d swap out for Tillett B5’s….

3 weeks later, with PDK and sofa’s…I think it suits the car perfectly.

[Andyoz]

I'm pretty sure we got down to about 2 x R's for sale just a matter of a few months back.

Things are sure different now. That should be telling the sellers something...???

[julian987R]

Andyoz said:

I'm pretty sure we got down to about 2 x R's for sale just a matter of a few months back.

Things are sure different now. That should be telling the sellers something...???

Possibly, yet according to this dealer, this is not a bubble, this is it!
These prices are here to stay forevermore.... and maybe he is right.... here in the UK cars of this nature are cheap (harking back to my earlier post on prices elsewhere in the world).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMrFTb2wES4

It might be these R sellers really are in no rush at all

[Slippydiff]

MrVert said:

Snap…..for the Spyder I went for sport seats….thinking I’d swap out for Tillett B5’s….

3 weeks later, with PDK and sofa’s…I think it suits the car perfectly.

Interesting, I sensed you were pretty set on the Tilletts.
Did you plan on fitting them for their weight saving benefits ? Improved support/driving position ? Or looks ? Or a combination of all three ?
Are you finding the “armchairs” better than expected from a support perspective ?

With hindsight, I’m firmly of the opinion I’d have gelled with (and kept) my Guards Red R if I’d removed the LW folding carbon bucket seats and fitted a pair of Pole Positions or even the adaptive sports seats which I tried in a friend’s Gen 1 Cayman S.

[PaulD86]

We're not back to values again, are we? I'll save all the chat. They are all worth exactly the same - what someone is prepared to pay for them.

[Andyoz]

julian987R said:

Andyoz said:

I'm pretty sure we got down to about 2 x R's for sale just a matter of a few months back.

Things are sure different now. That should be telling the sellers something...???

It might be these R sellers really are in no rush at all

Maybe, but if a seller couldn't manage to shift a car in this recent sellers market then I think they've missed an amazing window that might not return in a hurry. They may of laughed off some solid offers they'll wish they hadn't.

[Andyoz]

PaulD86 said:

We're not back to values again, are we? I'll save all the chat. They are all worth exactly the same - what someone is prepared to pay for them.

I guess so

I'm just finding the R an interesting intersecting bellweather of the overall market madness we've witnessed that appears to be running out of steam. The number of GT4's for sale has also gone up nearly 50% in the last few months I think

[BillyB]

Lockdown boredom has passed and the drudgery of normal life has returned. I know of lots of "toy" cars coming to the market, hoping to take advantage of the recently-inflated prices.

Whether the softening of the market becomes a slide or is just a blip, who knows...

(PDK cars are definitely less valuable than manual ones, even if they are just as good or even better. It is just market forces, not a personal slight on the car or their owners)

[Andyoz]

BillyB said:

Lockdown boredom has passed and the drudgery of normal life has returned. I know of lots of "toy" cars coming to the market, hoping to take advantage of the recently-inflated prices.

Whether the softening of the market becomes a slide or is just a blip, who knows...

Markets run on sentiment....No one really 'needs' a Porsche.

It's when buyers think it'll be cheaper in 3 to 6 months that reverse FOMO kicks in.

I just find it all intriguing and an indicator of the greater economy People know my views on car prices and I spend little time worrying about retaining the value of mine. I look after it very well but also drive it at every opportunity and mod it freely.