Anyone Ordered a 718 Yet ?
Discussion
neilf said:
I currently own a 2014 Boxster and placed a deposit for a 718 to replace it about 6 weeks ago (I'm waiting for a Cayman).
I'm not a huge fan of the way it sounds (although I don't think it's terrible) but the extra torque will suit my needs. I chose a 718 as I've loved the last 2 Porsche's I've owned. Fancied an M2, but sold out until late 2017 and Audi's I've had in the past have left me disappointed so a TT is also out. Pretty much leaves me with another Porsche!
I was thinking of starting a similar thread to this, but couldn't be arsed with being branded some sort of automotive retard by the PH masses for ordering a car I like. I used to love the mutual support the PH community gave on the forums. Now its seems the forums are just one long thread of "I don't agree with your car/engine/driven wheels/exhaust/etc (*delete as applicable) of choice so that makes you an idiot".
Who'd have thought owning a Porsche would be something to be embarrassed about? I guess it's like admitting your an alcoholic... "My name is Neil and I've ordered a 718"
Tin hat on, awaiting 718 hate.
I have no issue with anyone who orders a Porsche, but I'd be interested to know if you have previous experience of 4 cylinder, turbocharged, RWD cars?I'm not a huge fan of the way it sounds (although I don't think it's terrible) but the extra torque will suit my needs. I chose a 718 as I've loved the last 2 Porsche's I've owned. Fancied an M2, but sold out until late 2017 and Audi's I've had in the past have left me disappointed so a TT is also out. Pretty much leaves me with another Porsche!
I was thinking of starting a similar thread to this, but couldn't be arsed with being branded some sort of automotive retard by the PH masses for ordering a car I like. I used to love the mutual support the PH community gave on the forums. Now its seems the forums are just one long thread of "I don't agree with your car/engine/driven wheels/exhaust/etc (*delete as applicable) of choice so that makes you an idiot".
Who'd have thought owning a Porsche would be something to be embarrassed about? I guess it's like admitting your an alcoholic... "My name is Neil and I've ordered a 718"
Tin hat on, awaiting 718 hate.
Also, bit confused when you say you've put a deposit on a 718... is it a Boxster 718 and you're also buying a 718 Cayman, or you're just pre-ordering a Cayman?
What was "wrong" with the 981 Boxster, or do you simply have to change every two years, for a business reason perhaps?
Or... have you decided a Cayman is "better" than a Boxster for your needs?
neilf said:
I currently own a 2014 Boxster and placed a deposit for a 718 to replace it about 6 weeks ago (I'm waiting for a Cayman).
I'm not a huge fan of the way it sounds (although I don't think it's terrible) but the extra torque will suit my needs. I chose a 718 as I've loved the last 2 Porsche's I've owned. Fancied an M2, but sold out until late 2017 and Audi's I've had in the past have left me disappointed so a TT is also out. Pretty much leaves me with another Porsche!
I was thinking of starting a similar thread to this, but couldn't be arsed with being branded some sort of automotive retard by the PH masses for ordering a car I like. I used to love the mutual support the PH community gave on the forums. Now its seems the forums are just one long thread of "I don't agree with your car/engine/driven wheels/exhaust/etc (*delete as applicable) of choice so that makes you an idiot".
Who'd have thought owning a Porsche would be something to be embarrassed about? I guess it's like admitting your an alcoholic... "My name is Neil and I've ordered a 718"
Tin hat on, awaiting 718 hate.
Hello Neil.I'm not a huge fan of the way it sounds (although I don't think it's terrible) but the extra torque will suit my needs. I chose a 718 as I've loved the last 2 Porsche's I've owned. Fancied an M2, but sold out until late 2017 and Audi's I've had in the past have left me disappointed so a TT is also out. Pretty much leaves me with another Porsche!
I was thinking of starting a similar thread to this, but couldn't be arsed with being branded some sort of automotive retard by the PH masses for ordering a car I like. I used to love the mutual support the PH community gave on the forums. Now its seems the forums are just one long thread of "I don't agree with your car/engine/driven wheels/exhaust/etc (*delete as applicable) of choice so that makes you an idiot".
Who'd have thought owning a Porsche would be something to be embarrassed about? I guess it's like admitting your an alcoholic... "My name is Neil and I've ordered a 718"
Tin hat on, awaiting 718 hate.
You've taken the first important step by acknowledging that you have a problem, namely using your own judgement on how you spend your own money on a car. Thankfully we will be able to help.
You must understand that you have been very foolish in not taking account of the views of some people you don't know at all and may never meet.
Before you let us sort out what car you should be buying and what options it should have, I suggest you go around and apologise to all the people you have hurt with this 718 nonsense.
DJMC said:
I have no issue with anyone who orders a Porsche, but I'd be interested to know if you have previous experience of 4 cylinder, turbocharged, RWD cars?
Also, bit confused when you say you've put a deposit on a 718... is it a Boxster 718 and you're also buying a 718 Cayman, or you're just pre-ordering a Cayman?
What was "wrong" with the 981 Boxster, or do you simply have to change every two years, for a business reason perhaps?
Or... have you decided a Cayman is "better" than a Boxster for your needs?
My bad. I meant pre-ordering a Cayman. Also, bit confused when you say you've put a deposit on a 718... is it a Boxster 718 and you're also buying a 718 Cayman, or you're just pre-ordering a Cayman?
What was "wrong" with the 981 Boxster, or do you simply have to change every two years, for a business reason perhaps?
Or... have you decided a Cayman is "better" than a Boxster for your needs?
Nothing wrong with the Boxster. I love it. Usually change my car every 2-3yrs. I've had two Boxters in the past. Just fancied a Cayman for a change. My budget juuuuuuuuust stretches to a new Porsche and as they Cayman will now be the cheaper model I might be able to afford a few toys. (My current Boxster spec is fairly sparse)
Edited by neilf on Saturday 9th April 23:40
pete.g said:
Hello Neil.
You've taken the first important step by acknowledging that you have a problem, namely using your own judgement on how you spend your own money on a car. Thankfully we will be able to help.
You must understand that you have been very foolish in not taking account of the views of some people you don't know at all and may never meet.
Before you let us sort out what car you should be buying and what options it should have, I suggest you go around and apologise to all the people you have hurt with this 718 nonsense.
Faith in humanity restored You've taken the first important step by acknowledging that you have a problem, namely using your own judgement on how you spend your own money on a car. Thankfully we will be able to help.
You must understand that you have been very foolish in not taking account of the views of some people you don't know at all and may never meet.
Before you let us sort out what car you should be buying and what options it should have, I suggest you go around and apologise to all the people you have hurt with this 718 nonsense.
I like them and think they have addressed some of the tech problems associated with the old car, namely the sat nav and steering wheel controls. Looking forward to seeing it in the flesh at the unveiling at Porsche Silverstone and comparing it to my current Boxster GTS. Not looking to offload my car at the moment but who knows in a couple of years...
ORD said:
Lots of people like buying a new car every year or two. Often linked to finance cycles.
Yes, that may have something to do with who buys them? Although my cars go "through the business" (s/emp) I always buy outright for cash, so no handing back at the end of a lease etc. But... I really do want this one to last forever as it's a gem. Little chance at 15k miles a year, but whereas my 11 year old E46 330ci was "binned" at 125k miles when things started going wrong, I may well invest money into the 981 to keep it going into my retirement, about 10 years away.
Whilst I am not a fan of the way this car sounds, once you've driven it you can't fail to appreciate it.
The 718S takes the 981S chassis/ engine package and moves it on a great deal further, this car is incredibly well balanced, feels significantly more powerful than the outgoing model and surprisingly for a turbo engine, it revs well throughout the quite large rev range. Having driven it for a few hours on some nice highway and country roads in Germany, it is a worthy successor to the Boxster name. Whist I haven't owned one for years, I was always a fan of the Boxster on track and this one will be quite a weapon; I wouldn't be surprised to see several 997 Carrera drivers embarrassed by this car on a track and even a 996 GT3 driver would want to be on his toes to keep ahead on a twisty track.
On the road the soundtrack is (for me) a little disappointing but the sports exhaust comes in a few months and will likely go a long way to resolving the sound issue. No one who has ordered a 718 should be anything less than delighted when they receive their car, this is a sports cabriolet that is miles ahead of anything in this sector. Yes the normally aspirated 981 sounds a good deal better, but that is the only way it is better, in all other aspects the 718 moves the game on a good deal form the 981 generation, if you've ordered a 718, i'd say lucky you!
The 718S takes the 981S chassis/ engine package and moves it on a great deal further, this car is incredibly well balanced, feels significantly more powerful than the outgoing model and surprisingly for a turbo engine, it revs well throughout the quite large rev range. Having driven it for a few hours on some nice highway and country roads in Germany, it is a worthy successor to the Boxster name. Whist I haven't owned one for years, I was always a fan of the Boxster on track and this one will be quite a weapon; I wouldn't be surprised to see several 997 Carrera drivers embarrassed by this car on a track and even a 996 GT3 driver would want to be on his toes to keep ahead on a twisty track.
On the road the soundtrack is (for me) a little disappointing but the sports exhaust comes in a few months and will likely go a long way to resolving the sound issue. No one who has ordered a 718 should be anything less than delighted when they receive their car, this is a sports cabriolet that is miles ahead of anything in this sector. Yes the normally aspirated 981 sounds a good deal better, but that is the only way it is better, in all other aspects the 718 moves the game on a good deal form the 981 generation, if you've ordered a 718, i'd say lucky you!
BishBosh said:
I like them and think they have addressed some of the tech problems associated with the old car, namely the sat nav and steering wheel controls. Looking forward to seeing it in the flesh at the unveiling at Porsche Silverstone and comparing it to my current Boxster GTS. Not looking to offload my car at the moment but who knows in a couple of years...
Different peole careabout different features of a car. To me, infotainment is completely irrelevant - it's legacy tech as soon as it hits the showroom anyway. Also, I prefer steering wheles to steer the car and not have any buttons on it as long as it's not a race car. What matters most to me is how the car drives and feels. The engine is an important component. The Turbo V6 in my wife's Macan Turbo is perfectly fine for what it is supposed to do but it will never be a sports car engine. Likewise I struggle to see how the F4s in the 718 are supposed to provide you with the sound, response and rev happiness the old NAs did. Give me the rattle and howl of my old Mezgers and I am a happy man
Horses for courses, as they say
I read most of the reviews and it sounds as though the handling in the new car has improved a fair chunk. They all bemoaned the loss of the NA flat 6 but agreed that the 718 is still a great car in spite of this change.
There are plenty of modern sports cars and super cars only available with turbo engines. The 570s for example only gets rave reviews and that's both a turbo and an auto. Yes a F4 is never going to sound as good as a F6 but it's still likely to be the best car in its segment by some margin.
There are plenty of modern sports cars and super cars only available with turbo engines. The 570s for example only gets rave reviews and that's both a turbo and an auto. Yes a F4 is never going to sound as good as a F6 but it's still likely to be the best car in its segment by some margin.
J-P said:
I read most of the reviews and it sounds as though the handling in the new car has improved a fair chunk. They all bemoaned the loss of the NA flat 6 but agreed that the 718 is still a great car in spite of this change.
There are plenty of modern sports cars and super cars only available with turbo engines. The 570s for example only gets rave reviews and that's both a turbo and an auto. Yes a F4 is never going to sound as good as a F6 but it's still likely to be the best car in its segment by some margin.
I think the challenge Porsche have is the segment the car used to own has now been diluted- the 6 cylinder engine was a USP in a great all rounder meaning you didn't really have any compromises. Now that's removed people start to look at alternatives they might not have done previously, Lotus, Audi TT and the hot hatch brigade. And find something they might prefer or is more affordable or has a more acceptable compromise. There are plenty of modern sports cars and super cars only available with turbo engines. The 570s for example only gets rave reviews and that's both a turbo and an auto. Yes a F4 is never going to sound as good as a F6 but it's still likely to be the best car in its segment by some margin.
I just couldn't bring myself to spend 50k plus on a four cylinder car (not a modern anyway). When it sounds as bad as it does then it becomes dead in the water for me.
I agree. But that only applies to the small minority that knows or cares about engines, throttle response, etc.
The typical new Porsche buyer has probably driven more diesels than sports cars and will welcome the snore fest power delivery and theoretical mpgs.
For anyone actively shopping around, I agree that Porsche just massively widened the pool of potential alternatives, and most of them are vastly cheaper. Porsche has put huge faith in the badge, probably rightly.
The typical new Porsche buyer has probably driven more diesels than sports cars and will welcome the snore fest power delivery and theoretical mpgs.
For anyone actively shopping around, I agree that Porsche just massively widened the pool of potential alternatives, and most of them are vastly cheaper. Porsche has put huge faith in the badge, probably rightly.
neilf said:
My bad. I meant pre-ordering a Cayman.
Nothing wrong with the Boxster. I love it. Usually change my car every 2-3yrs. I've had two Boxters in the past. Just fancied a Cayman for a change. My budget juuuuuuuuust stretches to a new Porsche and as they Cayman will now be the cheaper model I might be able to afford a few toys. (My current Boxster spec is fairly sparse)
I don't know if you have read this http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/porsche/p... . It compares the S and base versions, and whereas the S (ignoring the sound) is said to have some real merits - little lag (variable vane turbo), free revving to the red line, and lots of go throughout the range - they are rather dismissive of the base version. The base version has more boost and an ordinary turbo and seems to suffer because of it. If so it's a pity, because it looked like a real bargain in bang per buck terms.Nothing wrong with the Boxster. I love it. Usually change my car every 2-3yrs. I've had two Boxters in the past. Just fancied a Cayman for a change. My budget juuuuuuuuust stretches to a new Porsche and as they Cayman will now be the cheaper model I might be able to afford a few toys. (My current Boxster spec is fairly sparse)
Edited by neilf on Saturday 9th April 23:40
On another point - I read in another test that the tendency for some turbos to continue to boost as you lift off has been addressed. In order to keep the turbo spinning when you lift off they cut the fuel and leave the throttle open (I'm sure others must do that too - it's an obvious fix when you have drive by wire).
Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 12th April 12:20
What do you buy if not the 718? (I mean if buying new.)
I realise that there are lots of choices in the £40-£55k bracket, but how many of them won't seem like a disappointment after having had a 987/981?
The M2 looks like good value, most things that Porsche charge for are included (even contrasting stitching!) and it has a 365hp 6 cylinder engine (still turbo though). I have found modern BMWs to be a bit wooden and lifeless in the way they steer - maybe the M2 is better.
The local BMW dealer has one I can look at, but not drive, as they have 'pre-sold the demonstrator' which is a contradiction in terms.
I realise that there are lots of choices in the £40-£55k bracket, but how many of them won't seem like a disappointment after having had a 987/981?
The M2 looks like good value, most things that Porsche charge for are included (even contrasting stitching!) and it has a 365hp 6 cylinder engine (still turbo though). I have found modern BMWs to be a bit wooden and lifeless in the way they steer - maybe the M2 is better.
The local BMW dealer has one I can look at, but not drive, as they have 'pre-sold the demonstrator' which is a contradiction in terms.
pete.g said:
What do you buy if not the 718? (I mean if buying new.)
I realise that there are lots of choices in the £40-£55k bracket, but how many of them won't seem like a disappointment after having had a 987/981?
The M2 looks like good value, most things that Porsche charge for are included (even contrasting stitching!) and it has a 365hp 6 cylinder engine (still turbo though). I have found modern BMWs to be a bit wooden and lifeless in the way they steer - maybe the M2 is better.
The local BMW dealer has one I can look at, but not drive, as they have 'pre-sold the demonstrator' which is a contradiction in terms.
Problem is you can't actually buy an M2 - not if you want it delivered in the next year anyway - hence I guess why they sold the demo at your local dealer.I realise that there are lots of choices in the £40-£55k bracket, but how many of them won't seem like a disappointment after having had a 987/981?
The M2 looks like good value, most things that Porsche charge for are included (even contrasting stitching!) and it has a 365hp 6 cylinder engine (still turbo though). I have found modern BMWs to be a bit wooden and lifeless in the way they steer - maybe the M2 is better.
The local BMW dealer has one I can look at, but not drive, as they have 'pre-sold the demonstrator' which is a contradiction in terms.
One more very extensive review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT1JNv3Pk_M
It's a pity. I always viewed the Boxster/Cayman as an excellent entry point to the world of sports cars with the mid engine flat six. With the new model and the new price point I struggle to think of reasons why anybody would chose it over a Audi TT-RS as a daily driver or an older Boxster as a weekend toy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT1JNv3Pk_M
It's a pity. I always viewed the Boxster/Cayman as an excellent entry point to the world of sports cars with the mid engine flat six. With the new model and the new price point I struggle to think of reasons why anybody would chose it over a Audi TT-RS as a daily driver or an older Boxster as a weekend toy.
evojam said:
Would be interesting to see if he was as positive about the base car.Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff