Anyone Ordered a 718 Yet ?
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I'm sure it's faster in a straight line
I'm sure it corners quicker
I'm sure the mpg is better
I'm sure the electronics are quicker, the nav better.....
..... But I won't be buying one. The new engine takes away any appeal the model had. It can't be good that a car enthusiast who is a Porsche fan, simply isn't interested in the new model. I've not even played around on the configurator doing fantasy purchase.
I'll be keeping hold of the 987 spyder as that is the purer sports car I want from Porsche.
Not judging anyone who does buy the 718 boxster, but it's not for me and I hope they enjoy their new car.
It would be interesting to see figures for trade in from existing owners compared with 986 to 987 and 987 to 981. I wonder if there is a noticeable drop.
I'm sure it corners quicker
I'm sure the mpg is better
I'm sure the electronics are quicker, the nav better.....
..... But I won't be buying one. The new engine takes away any appeal the model had. It can't be good that a car enthusiast who is a Porsche fan, simply isn't interested in the new model. I've not even played around on the configurator doing fantasy purchase.
I'll be keeping hold of the 987 spyder as that is the purer sports car I want from Porsche.
Not judging anyone who does buy the 718 boxster, but it's not for me and I hope they enjoy their new car.
It would be interesting to see figures for trade in from existing owners compared with 986 to 987 and 987 to 981. I wonder if there is a noticeable drop.
DS240 said:
I'm sure it's faster in a straight line
I'm sure it corners quicker
I'm sure the mpg is better
I'm sure the electronics are quicker, the nav better.....
..... But I won't be buying one. The new engine takes away any appeal the model had. It can't be good that a car enthusiast who is a Porsche fan, simply isn't interested in the new model. I've not even played around on the configurator doing fantasy purchase.
I'll be keeping hold of the 987 spyder as that is the purer sports car I want from Porsche.
Not judging anyone who does buy the 718 boxster, but it's not for me and I hope they enjoy their new car.
It would be interesting to see figures for trade in from existing owners compared with 986 to 987 and 987 to 981. I wonder if there is a noticeable drop.
Accepting all that, as I said it would be interesting to see what this American guy thought, who clearly isn't wedded to the sound of the NA 6 - even though he likes it. It's the only really positive review I've read, and the only review I've seen of the base car was wholely negative, so it would be interesting to hear the views from someone for whom the sound is not a deal breaker, and see if he also thinks the base car is a bit naff. I'm sure it corners quicker
I'm sure the mpg is better
I'm sure the electronics are quicker, the nav better.....
..... But I won't be buying one. The new engine takes away any appeal the model had. It can't be good that a car enthusiast who is a Porsche fan, simply isn't interested in the new model. I've not even played around on the configurator doing fantasy purchase.
I'll be keeping hold of the 987 spyder as that is the purer sports car I want from Porsche.
Not judging anyone who does buy the 718 boxster, but it's not for me and I hope they enjoy their new car.
It would be interesting to see figures for trade in from existing owners compared with 986 to 987 and 987 to 981. I wonder if there is a noticeable drop.
bcr5784 said:
evojam said:
Would be interesting to see if he was as positive about the base car.He thinks the 718 central exhaust provided the inspiration for the exhaust on the new Boxster! Has he never seen a Boxster before?
He drives with one hand at the bottom of the steering wheel, like a gangsta.
He coasts around corners.
He speeds up and slows down entirely randomly.
He short shifts by 3,000 rpm when attempting to "push on".
He prefers autos to manuals and changes gear like a teenager.
He may be a typical punter, but he is not a credible car reviewer.
He drives with one hand at the bottom of the steering wheel, like a gangsta.
He coasts around corners.
He speeds up and slows down entirely randomly.
He short shifts by 3,000 rpm when attempting to "push on".
He prefers autos to manuals and changes gear like a teenager.
He may be a typical punter, but he is not a credible car reviewer.
ORD said:
He thinks the 718 central exhaust provided the inspiration for the exhaust on the new Boxster! Has he never seen a Boxster before?
He drives with one hand at the bottom of the steering wheel, like a gangsta.
He coasts around corners.
He speeds up and slows down entirely randomly.
He short shifts by 3,000 rpm when attempting to "push on".
He prefers autos to manuals and changes gear like a teenager.
He may be a typical punter, but he is not a credible car reviewer.
Maybe, but he's driven more types of cars than probably anyone on this forum, he isn't a Porsche fanatic, so gives a more balanced view, his coasting round corners is because he's on a public road and isn't going to drive like a lunatic...He drives with one hand at the bottom of the steering wheel, like a gangsta.
He coasts around corners.
He speeds up and slows down entirely randomly.
He short shifts by 3,000 rpm when attempting to "push on".
He prefers autos to manuals and changes gear like a teenager.
He may be a typical punter, but he is not a credible car reviewer.
He owns a pretty cool set of cars too, Aston Vanquish (the older one), Delorean, Skyline R32, custom Fox bodied mustang plus a few more I believe...
The difference with someone like him is that he actually enjoys cars rather than taking some odd holier than thou stance on what they should be... not that we'd ever find that on PH...
csmith319 said:
Maybe, but he's driven more types of cars than probably anyone on this forum, he isn't a Porsche fanatic, so gives a more balanced view, his coasting round corners is because he's on a public road and isn't going to drive like a lunatic...
He owns a pretty cool set of cars too, Aston Vanquish (the older one), Delorean, Skyline R32, custom Fox bodied mustang plus a few more I believe...
The difference with someone like him is that he actually enjoys cars rather than taking some odd holier than thou stance on what they should be... not that we'd ever find that on PH...
No idea what you are on about. He owns a pretty cool set of cars too, Aston Vanquish (the older one), Delorean, Skyline R32, custom Fox bodied mustang plus a few more I believe...
The difference with someone like him is that he actually enjoys cars rather than taking some odd holier than thou stance on what they should be... not that we'd ever find that on PH...
You think it is driving like a lunatic to accelerate gently (rather than coasting) through corners? I doubt you actually think that.
You dont seem to dispute anything that I said but nonetheless have taken the typical PH approach of insulting anyone with whom you (appear to) disagree. "Holier than thou"? Eh?
ORD said:
No idea what you are on about.
You think it is driving like a lunatic to accelerate gently (rather than coasting) through corners? I doubt you actually think that.
You dont seem to dispute anything that I said but nonetheless have taken the typical PH approach of insulting anyone with whom you (appear to) disagree. "Holier than thou"? Eh?
It's you who are insulting the tester. And you haven't addressed the point that he is only saying what pretty everyone else is saying - that it would be a good car except for the noise. He is OK with the noise, and nob or not, he is perfectly entitled to that view. Oddly enough as an ex skooby owner I don't have a problem with it - though I'd agree the NA sounds better - it's just that I don't regard it as that important.You think it is driving like a lunatic to accelerate gently (rather than coasting) through corners? I doubt you actually think that.
You dont seem to dispute anything that I said but nonetheless have taken the typical PH approach of insulting anyone with whom you (appear to) disagree. "Holier than thou"? Eh?
bcr5784 said:
It's you who are insulting the tester. And you haven't addressed the point that he is only saying what pretty everyone else is saying - that it would be a good car except for the noise. He is OK with the noise, and nob or not, he is perfectly entitled to that view. Oddly enough as an ex skooby owner I don't have a problem with it - though I'd agree the NA sounds better - it's just that I don't regard it as that important.
He is entitled to his view. Of course he is.I wish the Government would roll out an education program aimed at teaching people that there is a difference between (a) being entitled to an opinion and (b) being entitled to have any weight afforded to that opinion by others.
I think the reviewer's opinion is largely worthless because he does not show any sign of (1) knowing anything about Porsches and (b) being a driving enthusiast.
I would put him alongside the reviewers that you see on channels like "Seen Through Glass" or whatever it is called. Fluff.
For what it is worth, I am not sure that I insulted the reviewer. His review is crap.
anonymous said:
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I don't take the view that all turbos are the same - I've had several and drive loads and it simply isn't the case, particularly now when new technology is mitigating their potential downsides.Look he said
1) It revs well to the red line (as the power curve is pretty much identical to the outgoing S but 30bhp higher that is what you would expect)
2) There is little lag (and given that the NA car is lackluster at the low end too that is hardly a loss for the 718)
3) It has lots of eager urge
4) The steering and handling are improved
That is pretty much what everyone says, the only issue is the noise.
Absolutely nothing to do with my prejudices.
Unlike you who has already decided that its crap, I'm prepared to see both its merits and downsides.
Which is why I asked the original question about the Base car. I suspect both from it design (more boost, no variable geometry) that it will be less satisfactory - but apart from one test that said it was pretty dreadful I have yet to see any comments.
Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 13th April 17:56
anonymous said:
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Response - Absolutely not.Power delivery absolutely not unless you regard poor low rev response as good!
Mechanical refinement perhaps - but only one test I've read really commented on that.
I think you are making assumptions based on your prejudices rather than reading what is writ or spoken.
Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 13th April 19:14
anonymous said:
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The muddle is all yours. No objectivity in your views (or the reviews) at all. To be fair there are other issues - heritage, the fact that it was the only NA flat 6 in the price bracket etc. But I don't go in for nostalgia. Many (most?) Porsche owners do.
Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 13th April 19:25
anonymous said:
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Have you actually read/viewed the reviews? Of course the reviews may well be internet nonsense - but since neither you nor I have driven the car that is all we have got to go on at the moment.The difference between us? I don't know what my view of the car will be when I drive it. You do.
anonymous said:
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Read what I wrote,I think that power delivery and response ARE issues - but if we believe what is writ, the turbos win here
Driving the car is irrelevant!!!
Defies belief!!!!! A NA developing 100bhp per litre will be extremely temperamental, wet its plugs and be difficult to start, won't be able to pull off the skin off a rice pudding below 5000rpm, will suck juice like a trooper. A turbo developing similar power will have humungous turbo lab, will run 7:1 compression ratio or less, suck juice like a trooper... True - 40 years ago.
Things move on. Now NA engines have FI, 4/5 valves per cylinder, variable valve timing, knock sensors (so run very high compression ratios), possible variable valve lift, variable inlet tract length, variable exhaust length etc. Turbos can have all of the above, variable geometry, sequential operation, exhaust recirculation, electric assist.
So you simply cannot make simplistic assumptions.
And where have I misrepresented the reviews (whatever their relevance)?
Just reading today's Autocar; first drive of Merc AMG SLC 43, which states that 'it lacks the dynamic qualities one expects of a car conceived to take on such exceptional machinery as Porsche's 718 Boxster' which is a bit out of keeping with last week's opinion.
I'm afraid I had to stop watching the American bloke on YouTube as he irked me so much, though I loved the flat grey colour (Fashion Grey?) and the engine display. The sound is definitely an issue if that video is to be believed.
I'm afraid I had to stop watching the American bloke on YouTube as he irked me so much, though I loved the flat grey colour (Fashion Grey?) and the engine display. The sound is definitely an issue if that video is to be believed.
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