Anyone Ordered a 718 Yet ?

Anyone Ordered a 718 Yet ?

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bcr5784

7,118 posts

146 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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pete.g said:
I'm afraid I had to stop watching the American bloke on YouTube as he irked me so much, though I loved the flat grey colour (Fashion Grey?) and the engine display. The sound is definitely an issue if that video is to be believed.

Don't really disagree, though the noise is OK (not great) by me - but most of road testers do the opposite lock stuff, which gets up my nose too. Jeremy Clarkson influences things - unfortunately.

bcr5784

7,118 posts

146 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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Which turbo engines have you driven which have variable vane technology, and which have exhaust recirculation on lift off? And what was the bhp/litre/boost pressure? And do you actually understand the terms?

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

210 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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bcr5784 said:
Which turbo engines have you driven which have variable vane technology, and which have exhaust recirculation on lift off? And what was the bhp/litre/boost pressure? And do you actually understand the terms?
This can only go well.....

bcr5784

7,118 posts

146 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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Can't be bothered. Try rationale debate.

bcr5784

7,118 posts

146 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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No problem - at least not to those who really don't wish to have intelligent debate.

Sustenpass

100 posts

98 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Naturally aspirated performance cars were scarce enough before Porsche went and dropped its rather lovely, and unique in segment power train in favour of this apparently far less lovely beetle engine business.


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^^^ Absolutely agree.

Rather like PDK, the 'always on top of the torque curve' character of turbos dumbs down the driving experience to bland lunges of hard acceleration, whatever the gear, and another layer involvement lost.

Such a shame.

bcr5784

7,118 posts

146 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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For those interested in a couple of other reports http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a28799/t... Which is the most positive I've seen and http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-porsche-b... possibly the most negative (about the engine). Whichever side of the fence you are on (or even if you are sitting on it like me) there is some interesting stuff.

Techies might be interested in the explanations of how the wastegate is managed to minimise lag (and create a farty exhaust), though I'm at a bit of a loss to understand how the sport response button "pre-spools" the turbo as car and driver claim. (It's possible with electric assist or a variant of VWs ACT system - but the 718 doesn't have either as far as I am aware.)

EricE

1,945 posts

130 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Porsche said:
There was also a marked increase in the demand for the two-door Cayman and Boxster. Despite the approaching model change to the 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman, both mid-engine sports cars recorded two-digit growth rates. The Boxster was handed over to customers 3,029 times (+23 per cent), while 2,822 Cayman were delivered (+27 per cent).
scratchchin

source: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/company/porsche-de...

DS240

4,681 posts

219 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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EricE said:
Porsche said:
There was also a marked increase in the demand for the two-door Cayman and Boxster. Despite the approaching model change to the 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman, both mid-engine sports cars recorded two-digit growth rates. The Boxster was handed over to customers 3,029 times (+23 per cent), while 2,822 Cayman were delivered (+27 per cent).
scratchchin

source: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/company/porsche-de...
I did wonder if something like this might happen.

Okay, GT4 and Spyder sales may be affecting the figures a bit.

It will be interesting to see if figures of 718 sales are down on what would be expected with a new model. Especially compared with any pattern between 986 to 987 and 987 to 981 (and any face lift stages).

I don't know if some kind of figures for trade in from older to new model are collated, but that would also be interesting to see. Is there a dip in existing boxster owners trading in to the 718 compared to previous new models?

Another video on the main forum had a 991.2 cab being driven along and it sounded fairly grim. Too much turbo whistle and whoosh with artificial pops and bangs when lifting off. If the 718 compares with that, then it is not my cup of tea. It's a package, but the noise is a big part of it.

ORD

18,120 posts

128 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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EH? No such return has happened, has it? Porsche still offered a comedy 7-speed in the 911 and does not really want to sell you one.

The GT4 is a marketing success only, as nobody can buy one! Irrelevant what gear box it has.

ORD

18,120 posts

128 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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I love Caymans, but the overwhelming trend is away from manual boxes. Porsche did not build one for the 991 - it just messed about with the PDK unit. It has no plans to build a new one, does it?

ORD

18,120 posts

128 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Fair points.

I was not aware that a substantially new box was going into the 991R. That is extremely good news, as I thought funding for manual boxes had effectively been shut down as a dead end.

You are right that I largely ignore specials. I dont really see them as terribly important given the low numbers - if Porsche were to continue to sell manual boxes but only in specials, I wouldnt take much comfort from that given that they are only sold to people who work at OPCs and/or are good mates with people who do and/or engage in bribery and/or have purchased every GT3 for 10 years. I exaggerate, of course, but I find the idea of a sports car company that wont sell you a proper sports car unless you tick lots of boxes pretty irritating.

Still, none of this matters, as the new cars (apart from specials, for now) are all turbo anyway so arent remotely interesting to me, no matter what gearbox they have!

Akajak

887 posts

240 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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This part is impressive

"With the right options, it’s 16 seconds faster than its predecessor around the Nürburgring’s North Loop — and six seconds faster than a 997.1 GT3"

From P Club NA

tyrrell

1,670 posts

209 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Still sounds like a WRX STI with a PPP exhaust on it frown

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

210 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Akajak said:
This part is impressive

"With the right options, it’s 16 seconds faster than its predecessor around the Nürburgring’s North Loop — and six seconds faster than a 997.1 GT3"

From P Club NA
It is very impressive. That cannot be denied.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

119 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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tyrrell said:
Still sounds like a WRX STI with a PPP exhaust on it frown
From the videos I've seen, I agree.
Seems daft.
Also it's ridiculously expensive now.

EricE

1,945 posts

130 months

Friday 15th April 2016
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sport auto reports that the 718 successor won't be out until 2021.
This means that the 718 will be sold 2 years longer than the usual expected model cycle. I assume its because they invested more into the 982 than a regular 981.2 facelift so it will take them longer to cover the R&D costs.

nsm3

2,831 posts

197 months

Friday 15th April 2016
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What's a 982? Have I missed a model out?

JLZ78

179 posts

103 months

Saturday 16th April 2016
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It's the official model number for the 718 - it's deemed sufficiently different from the 981 to warrant a new model
number.

nsm3

2,831 posts

197 months

Saturday 16th April 2016
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982 is 718, oh right, cheers beer