718 review - test drove today
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Surely though One of the main advantages the 718 S has due to turbo charging is the cheap ability to take it to 400 hp for pennies. Then you really do have a playful car. Yes I'm sure the talk of warranty etc will be raised, but just an academic calc. Looking forward to mine arriving soon..
GT3andy said:
Surely though One of the main advantages the 718 S has due to turbo charging is the cheap ability to take it to 400 hp for pennies. Then you really do have a playful car. Yes I'm sure the talk of warranty etc will be raised, but just an academic calc. Looking forward to mine arriving soon..
One of the reasons I haven't had a Cayman before is because of the fantastic sounding engine wasn't turbo charged. Have emailed Cobb in USA regarding remap for base Cayman my thinking is stage 1 will be Cayman S numbers stage 2 GT4 territory 
but of course it ain't a sports car because it's a F4T oh and I should have bought a TT only purchased Porsche for the badge and I can't be a enthusiast either as iv never owned a 981 lol apparently best sports car ever !!!I have had a 987 Boxster, 987 Cayman and a 981 Cayman. Now awaiting delivery of a 718 Cayman!
Do about 20k miles per year so not just a toy.
Yes, I have driven a 718 and yes I think it is a better/improved car. I agree noise might be an issue to some, but then I always resisted putting fag packets in the spokes of my bike as a kid.
I actually found the aural experience ok, but that is low down on my must have list.
Just like the PDK/Manual debate I think it depends what use you are putting the car to. For me, weekend toy...manual all the way. Daily for 20k per year of mixed driving the PDK fits the bill.
Maybe age also comes into it. 60+ here so maybe I am out of touch with the need for brmm brmm noise I totally get the N/A six appreciation, I love it. But, the overall car experience wins out for me.
Anyway, enjoy your Porsche, whatever you drive.
Do about 20k miles per year so not just a toy.
Yes, I have driven a 718 and yes I think it is a better/improved car. I agree noise might be an issue to some, but then I always resisted putting fag packets in the spokes of my bike as a kid.
I actually found the aural experience ok, but that is low down on my must have list.
Just like the PDK/Manual debate I think it depends what use you are putting the car to. For me, weekend toy...manual all the way. Daily for 20k per year of mixed driving the PDK fits the bill.
Maybe age also comes into it. 60+ here so maybe I am out of touch with the need for brmm brmm noise I totally get the N/A six appreciation, I love it. But, the overall car experience wins out for me.
Anyway, enjoy your Porsche, whatever you drive.
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RedSwede said:
Second is to attract new buyers. For those wanting a "sporty" car (no, they probably don't really know what a sporty car is), the 2.7 981 will feel flat and useless, and they'll rush off and buy a TTS, despite really fancying the Porsche badge. The 718 will win them.
Compared to a TTS the 2.7 981 is way, way, more exciting. With it's tuneful engine exploited to the full, sprinting around a track or along a B road, the driver grinning from ear to ear, it is the definition of "sporty" perhaps. Or do you consider "sporty" to mean something that can sprint to 60mph in 4 seconds rather than 5 (but still not be first away from the lights)?
I found even the 718 Cayman S to feel less "sporty" than the 981 base due to the disconnected feeling between throttle and forward progress. The same turbo lag as the TTS.
You are correct that 718 buyers will be the same people who are attracted to the TTS but want the better badge. But these are not drivers desperately seeking "sporty". I'm not sure what they are really, but once you have lived with a small, single turbo, petrol engine you definitely know that this combination does not a "sporty" car make.
Not sporty, as in, the damping is controlled yet compliant, the engine sings a wonderful song, the weight transfers fore/aft/left/right as to let you build a rhythm with the car and the road.
Took the opportunity to try a 718S whilst my 981 2.7 was in for service
I had a Cayman S 987 before and then a M135i. The 981 is certainly a different delivery from the M135 which is a torque everywhere kind of motor and the 981 which drops torque compared to the 987. My 981 is a PDK. This was deliberate as its my daily drive and alot of heavy traffic driving its much easier with the PDK than manual - if it was a third car then a manual it would be
The 718S I was lent had 93 miles on the clock and lots of spec. Update on the PCM was nice and had a light interior which I dont really go for but went well. Didnt like the electric seats as even in the fully down position I seemed to be sitting on rather than in them like mine.
Firstly on startup, well its different. My 2.7 has that mechanical / sewing machine sound, the 718 sounded well angry. Never owned a scooby but it did sound a bit like my mates WRX. It was a PDK so felt familiar in that regard. Low speed the engine sound seemed a bit more intrusive than mine. I managed to get some open road and thought I would give it some beans. There is a huge amount more torque than mine and I'm sure tops the M135i. The thing goes like a stabbed rat. Around some twisties the torque helps push out of corners whereas mine would be sounding nice but lacking.
I bought my 981 very low mileage as an OPC car and often wondered whether I should of bit the bullet and bought a 718 new. The 718S is much more akin to M135i in power delivery, though that was a smooth straight 6. I don't have anything against FI 4 pots, many moons ago I was developing engine management software for them. There are going to be alot of people that will love the power of the F4 [my son who is mid 20's came out with me and didnt care about the sound because it "went"]. Its made me think though that the step from a 981 to 718 isnt big enough to justify changing now, extra power and all... I will look to change to a 991 or AM V8
I had a Cayman S 987 before and then a M135i. The 981 is certainly a different delivery from the M135 which is a torque everywhere kind of motor and the 981 which drops torque compared to the 987. My 981 is a PDK. This was deliberate as its my daily drive and alot of heavy traffic driving its much easier with the PDK than manual - if it was a third car then a manual it would be
The 718S I was lent had 93 miles on the clock and lots of spec. Update on the PCM was nice and had a light interior which I dont really go for but went well. Didnt like the electric seats as even in the fully down position I seemed to be sitting on rather than in them like mine.
Firstly on startup, well its different. My 2.7 has that mechanical / sewing machine sound, the 718 sounded well angry. Never owned a scooby but it did sound a bit like my mates WRX. It was a PDK so felt familiar in that regard. Low speed the engine sound seemed a bit more intrusive than mine. I managed to get some open road and thought I would give it some beans. There is a huge amount more torque than mine and I'm sure tops the M135i. The thing goes like a stabbed rat. Around some twisties the torque helps push out of corners whereas mine would be sounding nice but lacking.
I bought my 981 very low mileage as an OPC car and often wondered whether I should of bit the bullet and bought a 718 new. The 718S is much more akin to M135i in power delivery, though that was a smooth straight 6. I don't have anything against FI 4 pots, many moons ago I was developing engine management software for them. There are going to be alot of people that will love the power of the F4 [my son who is mid 20's came out with me and didnt care about the sound because it "went"]. Its made me think though that the step from a 981 to 718 isnt big enough to justify changing now, extra power and all... I will look to change to a 991 or AM V8
I've had a bit of a Porsche extreme day today. I started off in my Boxster Spyder with a blast out to run an errand. It's still one of the best sounding cars I've ever experienced. It's quite an involving drive in terms of what a lot of people think is missing in the current Porsche line up.
This afternoon I'went off to the OPC to resolve a minor niggle with my 4 week old 991 Turbo S. As they couldn't resolve the issue there and then they very kindly leant me a 718 S Cayman.
It's quite a different experience than the other two. In fact it feel more 'Porsche GT' car than even the Spyder. It's really quite a ride. Slow town driving and it's like most modern Porssche's with PDK. Very easy to do and you could be in any quality modern car. Given that's how I spend most of my time on UK roads, this is a good thing.
Later on when the roads cleared and I was out of town I gave it a bit of push. It's very much 'an occasion' with a very different engine sound than the Spyder. It really sounds very motor-sport in a purposeful sort of way. It's got a great balance of power allowing you to really drive it between gears using the pedals which in the Turbo S would have you doing deeply illegal speeds. Even the Spyder with it's long gearing would have you endangering your license. In the 718 with it's shorter ratios I enjoyed going up and down the box as I pressed on.
I havent driven to any great extent the previous six cylinder Cayman, but am quite impressed with this 718. It's really good fun to press on in. I never noticed any turbo lag nor did I dislike the sound. It might be different from the Spyder (which is normally too loud for extended use), but the 718 sounds is pretty nice. And so is the rest of the car.
This afternoon I'went off to the OPC to resolve a minor niggle with my 4 week old 991 Turbo S. As they couldn't resolve the issue there and then they very kindly leant me a 718 S Cayman.
It's quite a different experience than the other two. In fact it feel more 'Porsche GT' car than even the Spyder. It's really quite a ride. Slow town driving and it's like most modern Porssche's with PDK. Very easy to do and you could be in any quality modern car. Given that's how I spend most of my time on UK roads, this is a good thing.
Later on when the roads cleared and I was out of town I gave it a bit of push. It's very much 'an occasion' with a very different engine sound than the Spyder. It really sounds very motor-sport in a purposeful sort of way. It's got a great balance of power allowing you to really drive it between gears using the pedals which in the Turbo S would have you doing deeply illegal speeds. Even the Spyder with it's long gearing would have you endangering your license. In the 718 with it's shorter ratios I enjoyed going up and down the box as I pressed on.
I havent driven to any great extent the previous six cylinder Cayman, but am quite impressed with this 718. It's really good fun to press on in. I never noticed any turbo lag nor did I dislike the sound. It might be different from the Spyder (which is normally too loud for extended use), but the 718 sounds is pretty nice. And so is the rest of the car.
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Interesting 3 last comments, thanks for taking the time, delightful to wake up to your 'efforts'. I was simply briefly pointing out an apparent contradiction in your post yet you have somehow turned this into an unpleasant rambling attack on me, an innocent bystander in this thread. I feel wronged!Any normal person, or one displaying any degree of your coveted 'panache' would have just laughed it off or just ignored it, but not the humorless 'C' Moose who can never let anything go, resulting in it being rare for a thread to go beyond a few dozen replies without a disruptive petulant argument with someone.
If you're going to get into so many altercations, Mr angry wasp, can you not at least try and inject a touch of humor or class into your omnipresent online persona? A pleasure as always dear chum.
Sustenpass said:
I would expect anybody to respond the way cmoose did given the unprovoked childish b
ks that started on this page.
Somebody called him a c***, what would you do, sit there and take it?
I just pointed out the usual double standards on display by 'C' Moose, criticising someone for doing something that he himself had done, but, of course, it was fully justified when he did it, as he pointed out in the 3 following posts, mainly because, as EDO pointed out, 'C' Moose is never wrong & has to have the last word, always.ks that started on this page.Somebody called him a c***, what would you do, sit there and take it?
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Well, that's not right is it, here is my posting over the last 30 days, only 1 topic posted on that you are on (and it's not easy avoiding you given that this is all you seem to do 24 hours a day):
anonymous said:
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You alluded to this before too, I don't actually come onto this forum to annoy you as I demonstrated above. Very egotistical Mr 'C'. anonymous said:
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With pleasure, and I only hope one day we can build some bridges! You may be aware that despite our disagreements, I am often the one to try and offer some reconciliation.Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff