718 review - test drove today
Discussion
ORD said:
Responding to things that nobody said. Nobody 'pigeon holed' anyone. I gave examples of people I know that drive Porsches, none of which is a 718.
Is there another Porsche available with a 4-cyclinder engine that I'm not aware of (given we're in the Boxster/Cayman forum)? No, you didn't mention the 718 - but to what other Porsche might you be referring in this thread?The above may have been a response in support of your previous post where you try and demonstrate your point regarding brand priority by referring to your friends and their preferences, but this was predicated in prior posts with your assertions regarding 4-cylinder hatchbacks and their similarity to a 4-cylinder Porsche (?) that is now apparently largely dependant on its badge (brand) to sell...inferring that those who are actually buying them have little interest in the rest of the car.
ORD said:
Engineering and handling aside (which almost nobody cares about), it has little to distinguish it from fast hatches except its badge.
??What a strange thing to say.
All Caymans are mid-engined, hatches are not. All Caymans are 2-seater, hatches are not. All Caymans are RWD, hatches are not. All Caymans have low centre of gravity and near 50-50 weight distribution, hatches do not.
These are the defining characteristics of the Cayman, be it 987, 981, or 718, and not one of those characteristics corresponds to a hatch.
Edited by Tim bo on Saturday 22 July 17:33
Tim bo said:
??
What a strange thing to say.
All Caymans are mid-engined, hatches are not. All Caymans are 2-seater, hatches are not. All Caymans are RWD, hatches are not. All Caymans have low centre of gravity and near 50-50 weight distribution, hatches do not.
These are the defining characteristics of the Cayman, be it 987, 981, or 718, and not one of those characteristics corresponds to a hatch.
And most people who buy Porsches wouldn't know any of those things about the car or, even if they did, wouldn't know why they matter. What a strange thing to say.
All Caymans are mid-engined, hatches are not. All Caymans are 2-seater, hatches are not. All Caymans are RWD, hatches are not. All Caymans have low centre of gravity and near 50-50 weight distribution, hatches do not.
These are the defining characteristics of the Cayman, be it 987, 981, or 718, and not one of those characteristics corresponds to a hatch.
Edited by Tim bo on Saturday 22 July 17:33
These are German premium cars first and foremost to most buyers. There is an added brand image of 'sportiness', but the idea that anything but a minority of buyers are buying for the mid-engine layout and 52-48 weight distribution or whatever is nonsense.
Porsche would still sell decent numbers if they were FWD.
ORD said:
And most people who buy Porsches wouldn't know any of those things about the car or, even if they did, wouldn't know why they matter.
These are German premium cars first and foremost to most buyers. There is an added brand image of 'sportiness', but the idea that anything but a minority of buyers are buying for the mid-engine layout and 52-48 weight distribution or whatever is nonsense.
Porsche would still sell decent numbers if they were FWD.
Do you actually know what the typical weight distribution of a mid engined car is, or even why it's relevant? Pretty sure from your posting not. If not you are not in a great position to preach to the image conscience numpties out there.These are German premium cars first and foremost to most buyers. There is an added brand image of 'sportiness', but the idea that anything but a minority of buyers are buying for the mid-engine layout and 52-48 weight distribution or whatever is nonsense.
Porsche would still sell decent numbers if they were FWD.
Edited by bcr5784 on Saturday 22 July 19:40
Edited by bcr5784 on Saturday 22 July 19:48
Edited by bcr5784 on Saturday 22 July 19:49
ts sprouting the same sbcr5784 said:
ORD said:
And most people who buy Porsches wouldn't know any of those things about the car or, even if they did, wouldn't know why they matter.
These are German premium cars first and foremost to most buyers. There is an added brand image of 'sportiness', but the idea that anything but a minority of buyers are buying for the mid-engine layout and 52-48 weight distribution or whatever is nonsense.
Porsche would still sell decent numbers if they were FWD.
Do you actually know what the typical weight distribution of a mid engined car is, or even why it's relevant? Pretty sure from your posting not. If not you are not in a great position to the image conscience numpties out there.These are German premium cars first and foremost to most buyers. There is an added brand image of 'sportiness', but the idea that anything but a minority of buyers are buying for the mid-engine layout and 52-48 weight distribution or whatever is nonsense.
Porsche would still sell decent numbers if they were FWD.
Edited by bcr5784 on Saturday 22 July 19:40
I wouldn't bet on the distribution being more even than for the Golf R, for example. The engine in the current Golf is further back than it used to be and they will have done all they can to get weight back.
People obsess about weight distribution but it doesn't tell you huge amounts about how a car will drive (at least if it is reasonably close to equal). The big point about the Cayman is that it genuinely feels mid-engined, especially compared to a 911 - those few inches that the engine is further forward make a huge difference.
ORD said:
People obsess about weight distribution but it doesn't tell you huge amounts about how a car will drive (at least if it is reasonably close to equal). The big point about the Cayman is that it genuinely feels mid-engined, especially compared to a 911 - those few inches that the engine is further forward make a huge difference.
But in a previous discussion you weren't sure whether a rear engined car naturally understeered or oversteered - and were prepared to accept Moose's assertion that its natural tendency was to UNDERSTEER!!!! I really do think if your basic knowledge is so flawed you (or he) ought to desist from preaching to the great unwashed.bcr5784 said:
But in a previous discussion you weren't sure whether a rear engined car naturally understeered or oversteered - and were prepared to accept Moose's assertion that its natural tendency was to UNDERSTEER!!!! I really do think if your basic knowledge is so flawed you (or he) ought to desist from preaching to the great unwashed.
Literally no idea what you're on about now. There's no 'natural tendency' of any car - it depends on how the car is set up. The 911, like any road car, is set up to understeer on the limit.Not preaching to anyone, you sensitive little twerp.
I am fortunate enough to own a 981S. I was invited to a Porsche 718 experience at Silverstone which was excellent. Compared to the 981 it is true that the power delivery is less peaky and as has been said just plant your right foot and it goes like hell. However......the noise low down sounds just wrong and at higher revs sounds course and thrashy as if the engine is going to come apart.
Handling seems to be as good as a 981. In other words on a track I totally abused it and it just did what was asked of it.
I won't be selling the 981 until internal combustion engines become illegal. How can you beat the feeling of it coming on song at 4000rpm and the gorgeous email from the flat 6 there after????
Handling seems to be as good as a 981. In other words on a track I totally abused it and it just did what was asked of it.
I won't be selling the 981 until internal combustion engines become illegal. How can you beat the feeling of it coming on song at 4000rpm and the gorgeous email from the flat 6 there after????
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