Do I sell my 981 Spyder???
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
av185 said:
All I am saying is that to get the best out of the 9k max rev limit GT3 you have to be going that much faster than with the Spyder and GT4.......the non gt engine in this case CAN on some occasions make for the better road car.
You could say a PDK GTS CAN on some occasions if not ALL makes for the better road car. where do you draw the line and the yare much cheaper cars to buy.In the right car, of course.
chrisABP said:
I find myself looking more and more at the 981 Spyder.....
Love my 997.2 GTS but its only used occasionally and whilst the rear seats are a bonus with two young boys they rarely accompany me on the times its used. Would love a 997.2 GT3 and the GT4 looks great too but both now too expensive and then I remember the epic drives in my S2000 years back. Summer evenings, cold winter nights with the roof down most of the time they were great drives and I miss that open top sensation. The 981 looks so right to me with the right looks, power, manual box etc....
Think this might be my next Porsche and hopefully if the prices soften slightly over the winter...
buy the 987.2 Spyder :-), you won't miss the GTS steering then and it's 1/2 the price and fast enough and more of an event than the newer breed of cars.Love my 997.2 GTS but its only used occasionally and whilst the rear seats are a bonus with two young boys they rarely accompany me on the times its used. Would love a 997.2 GT3 and the GT4 looks great too but both now too expensive and then I remember the epic drives in my S2000 years back. Summer evenings, cold winter nights with the roof down most of the time they were great drives and I miss that open top sensation. The 981 looks so right to me with the right looks, power, manual box etc....
Think this might be my next Porsche and hopefully if the prices soften slightly over the winter...
chrisABP said:
I find myself looking more and more at the 981 Spyder.....
Love my 997.2 GTS but its only used occasionally and whilst the rear seats are a bonus with two young boys they rarely accompany me on the times its used. Would love a 997.2 GT3 and the GT4 looks great too but both now too expensive and then I remember the epic drives in my S2000 years back. Summer evenings, cold winter nights with the roof down most of the time they were great drives and I miss that open top sensation. The 981 looks so right to me with the right looks, power, manual box etc....
Think this might be my next Porsche and hopefully if the prices soften slightly over the winter...
The 997 GTS is undeniably a great car and the crazy (imo) current prices near list currently reflect this. But I find the Spyder and GT4 more involving as road cars, in different ways.Love my 997.2 GTS but its only used occasionally and whilst the rear seats are a bonus with two young boys they rarely accompany me on the times its used. Would love a 997.2 GT3 and the GT4 looks great too but both now too expensive and then I remember the epic drives in my S2000 years back. Summer evenings, cold winter nights with the roof down most of the time they were great drives and I miss that open top sensation. The 981 looks so right to me with the right looks, power, manual box etc....
Think this might be my next Porsche and hopefully if the prices soften slightly over the winter...
Porsche911R said:
buy the 987.2 Spyder :-), you won't miss the GTS steering then and it's 1/2 the price and fast enough and more of an event than the newer breed of cars.
That suggestion makes complete sense but I just don't like the 987.2 Spyder looks, sorry! Would have to be the 981Porsche911R said:
hence why I drive my Cayman R with 330BHP, which is still too fast for the road, but it does less MPH in 2nd gear and at 80 mph feels fun where the GT4 has to be at 120mph for the same feeling.
This is the problem with your point. Pretty much every decent modern car with a bit of power, let alone a Porsche is "too fast for the road".Any McLaren is way too fast, as are Ferraris. So what exactly is your point really?
That's why you droning on about the same point on every thread about how wonderful your Cayman R is (brilliant car by the way) is so exceedingly dull these days. You've made the point enough times now I'd have thought?
Do you suddenly hope one day everyone on here will turn around and go "you know what, that Porsche911R geezer is right, you know"?
It's all relative and you may find the GT4/981 spyder not great road cars/too fast/long geared etc, meanwhile others are enjoying GT3 RSs etc on the road!
I actually have a similar philopshy to you as it happens, but each to their own FFS!!! It's really dull and boring to hear the same old stuff on every thread, and in this case the OP is choosing and enjoying an even faster car than the GT4/Spyder that you continually drone on about. That should tell you enough about the subjectivity / differing opinions. Lol.
av185 said:
The 997 GTS is undeniably a great car and the crazy (imo) current prices near list currently reflect this. But I find the Spyder and GT4 more involving as road cars, in different ways.
how is a GT4 more involving than a manual 997 GTS ?both stick shift so the same there, but the 997.2 GTS has more feel to it in the steering which is 1 up to the GTS,
997 GTS has the tuned vs of the GT4 engine so again one up to the GTS x51 engine and it a freer reving engine.
And last but this is subjective some people do like to say rear engine is more involving and harder to drive than mid.
what are your views to back up your statement ?
If the 997.2 GTS was a bit cheaper (£60k) I see it (with a few choice mods) prob as one of the best sports cars you can buy and hence why the price is high.
OPC are NOT selling 4 pot Caymans/Boxsters at £70k sales are well down, people want to what they have or are buying more real feeling cars.
Interesting discussion
I also have a 9934s - manual of course
But oddly that suits the car and anything else would be wrong
I live in west london so driving the Spyder is "hard work" in heavy traffic as the clutch is not that user friendly ( unlike the 993)
I know I should love it but for some reason I don't
Unlike the GT3 and the 9934s I hasten to add
In my head the GT3 does all that the Spyder does but only better - apart from the roof of course .
That's a personal view and to do with how I drive. As we know we all get different things from cars
I also have a 9934s - manual of course
But oddly that suits the car and anything else would be wrong
I live in west london so driving the Spyder is "hard work" in heavy traffic as the clutch is not that user friendly ( unlike the 993)
I know I should love it but for some reason I don't
Unlike the GT3 and the 9934s I hasten to add
In my head the GT3 does all that the Spyder does but only better - apart from the roof of course .
That's a personal view and to do with how I drive. As we know we all get different things from cars
TB303 said:
This is the problem with your point. Pretty much every decent modern car with a bit of power, let alone a Porsche is "too fast for the road".
Any McLaren is way too fast, as are Ferraris. So what exactly is your point really?
That's why you droning on about the same point on every thread about how wonderful your Cayman R is (brilliant car by the way) is so exceedingly dull these days. You've made the point enough times now I'd have thought?
Do you suddenly hope one day everyone on here will turn around and go "you know what, that Porsche911R geezer is right, you know"?
It's all relative and you may find the GT4/981 spyder not great road cars/too fast/long geared etc, meanwhile others are enjoying GT3 RSs etc on the road!
I actually have a similar philopshy to you as it happens, but each to their own FFS!!! It's really dull and boring to hear the same old stuff on every thread, and in this case the OP is choosing and enjoying an even faster car than the GT4/Spyder that you continually drone on about. That should tell you enough about the subjectivity / differing opinions. Lol.
it was only one small line of a bigger post, to back up why the Spyder and GT4 can be a bit dull ! and why the OP might be finding his own car not to be a keeper.Any McLaren is way too fast, as are Ferraris. So what exactly is your point really?
That's why you droning on about the same point on every thread about how wonderful your Cayman R is (brilliant car by the way) is so exceedingly dull these days. You've made the point enough times now I'd have thought?
Do you suddenly hope one day everyone on here will turn around and go "you know what, that Porsche911R geezer is right, you know"?
It's all relative and you may find the GT4/981 spyder not great road cars/too fast/long geared etc, meanwhile others are enjoying GT3 RSs etc on the road!
I actually have a similar philopshy to you as it happens, but each to their own FFS!!! It's really dull and boring to hear the same old stuff on every thread, and in this case the OP is choosing and enjoying an even faster car than the GT4/Spyder that you continually drone on about. That should tell you enough about the subjectivity / differing opinions. Lol.
My point really is about having fun without going to prison for trying to get to the fun part. 3 point I can live with , a years ban I cannot.
Bieldside said:
Interesting discussion
I also have a 9934s - manual of course
But oddly that suits the car and anything else would be wrong
I live in west london so driving the Spyder is "hard work" in heavy traffic as the clutch is not that user friendly ( unlike the 993)
I know I should love it but for some reason I don't
Unlike the GT3 and the 9934s I hasten to add
Funny, I would like a 993 to go with my spyder at some point. It's annoying that prices have risen so much though! (Not for you as an owner of course!)I also have a 9934s - manual of course
But oddly that suits the car and anything else would be wrong
I live in west london so driving the Spyder is "hard work" in heavy traffic as the clutch is not that user friendly ( unlike the 993)
I know I should love it but for some reason I don't
Unlike the GT3 and the 9934s I hasten to add
I'm in London with a spyder but generally drive out of London in it and use another car in London. The low clearance of the spyder makes it embarrassing in London really - nursing it over speed bumps while people behind you get annoyed in their range rovers etc.
chrisABP said:
That suggestion makes complete sense but I just don't like the 987.2 Spyder looks, sorry! Would have to be the 981
I thought we buy these cars as they are fun to drive, not looks, although it helps I guess.997 GTS to 981 Spyder , is more about looks than the drive and if that matters it would be a good swap.
would you really throw away the x51 3.8 tuned lump and hydraulic steering for a detuned 3.8 and EPS ?
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 20th October 13:32
Porsche911R said:
I thought we buy these cars as they are fun to drive, not looks, although it helps I guess.
997 GTS to 981 Spyder , is more about looks than the drive and if that matters it would be a good swap.
would you really throw away the x51 3.8 tuned lump and hydraulic steering for a detuned 3.8 and EPS ?
I would.997 GTS to 981 Spyder , is more about looks than the drive and if that matters it would be a good swap.
would you really throw away the x51 3.8 tuned lump and hydraulic steering for a detuned 3.8 and EPS ?
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 20th October 13:32
That's why all the cars are going up we talk about, there is equal love for all older the models depends want one is after.
look at the range now and would you buy any new Porsche for sale atm ?
I think people are keeping cars or when they change are not buying new and looking at older models.
Any GT3, Cayman R, Spyder, GT4 ,997 GTS all offer some thing greater than the sum of the parts, you need to work out which one is best for you.
but I would take any of the above over any new Porsche model for sale today !
look at the range now and would you buy any new Porsche for sale atm ?
I think people are keeping cars or when they change are not buying new and looking at older models.
Any GT3, Cayman R, Spyder, GT4 ,997 GTS all offer some thing greater than the sum of the parts, you need to work out which one is best for you.
but I would take any of the above over any new Porsche model for sale today !
Porsche911R said:
That's why all the cars are going up we talk about, there is equal love for all older the models depends want one is after.
look at the range now and would you buy any new Porsche for sale atm ?
I think people are keeping cars or when they change are not buying new and looking at older models.
Any GT3, Cayman R, Spyder, GT4 ,997 GTS all offer some thing greater than the sum of the parts, you need to work out which one is best for you.
but I would take any of the above over any new Porsche model for sale today !
I agree with the above but you find there are even very few late 991.1S for sale as most owners are also resisting the new models !look at the range now and would you buy any new Porsche for sale atm ?
I think people are keeping cars or when they change are not buying new and looking at older models.
Any GT3, Cayman R, Spyder, GT4 ,997 GTS all offer some thing greater than the sum of the parts, you need to work out which one is best for you.
but I would take any of the above over any new Porsche model for sale today !
The only new Porsche for sale today I would buy is a 991R!
I can understand how the op feels had a 987spyder but sold and would have replaced with a 997.2gts if not for the Gt4, could it be you prefer a coupe to a soft top ?
Bieldside said:
Interesting discussion
I know I should love it but for some reason I don't
Unlike the GT3 and the 9934s I hasten to add
Hi there G. Sounds like you've answered your own question - you've tried , I'd walk away if I was you - I however love mine and would never want to be without it - we're all different - good luck with your sale I know I should love it but for some reason I don't
Unlike the GT3 and the 9934s I hasten to add
chrisABP said:
I find myself looking more and more at the 981 Spyder.....
Love my 997.2 GTS but its only used occasionally and whilst the rear seats are a bonus with two young boys they rarely accompany me on the times its used. Would love a 997.2 GT3 and the GT4 looks great too but both now too expensive and then I remember the epic drives in my S2000 years back. Summer evenings, cold winter nights with the roof down most of the time they were great drives and I miss that open top sensation. The 981 looks so right to me with the right looks, power, manual box etc....
Think this might be my next Porsche and hopefully if the prices soften slightly over the winter...
Hi Chris, hope that you are well ? Love my 997.2 GTS but its only used occasionally and whilst the rear seats are a bonus with two young boys they rarely accompany me on the times its used. Would love a 997.2 GT3 and the GT4 looks great too but both now too expensive and then I remember the epic drives in my S2000 years back. Summer evenings, cold winter nights with the roof down most of the time they were great drives and I miss that open top sensation. The 981 looks so right to me with the right looks, power, manual box etc....
Think this might be my next Porsche and hopefully if the prices soften slightly over the winter...
I have a 981 Spyder - it really is a brilliant car , such a lot of fun - loads of feel , sounds amazing , small , fast and fun - I think you'd like it - as you know I also have a 991 RS - Completly different to the Spyder but I love them both. Also 997.2 GTS's are fetching amazing money - so it's good news whatever you choose to do - good luck
Porsche911R said:
how is a GT4 more involving than a manual 997 GTS ?
both stick shift so the same there, but the 997.2 GTS has more feel to it in the steering which is 1 up to the GTS,
997 GTS has the tuned vs of the GT4 engine so again one up to the GTS x51 engine and it a freer reving engine.
And last but this is subjective some people do like to say rear engine is more involving and harder to drive than mid.
what are your views to back up your statement ?
If the 997.2 GTS was a bit cheaper (£60k) I see it (with a few choice mods) prob as one of the best sports cars you can buy and hence why the price is high.
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Taking the Spyder, what it loses out in eps v hydraulic to the GTS it more than enough makes up for in noise....sounds far better than the GTS, GT4 and GT3 (including RS btw). I would put the Spyder up there with the 458 on great sound.....this is what people are now chasing hence the dissappointments with the 4 pot Caysters.both stick shift so the same there, but the 997.2 GTS has more feel to it in the steering which is 1 up to the GTS,
997 GTS has the tuned vs of the GT4 engine so again one up to the GTS x51 engine and it a freer reving engine.
And last but this is subjective some people do like to say rear engine is more involving and harder to drive than mid.
what are your views to back up your statement ?
If the 997.2 GTS was a bit cheaper (£60k) I see it (with a few choice mods) prob as one of the best sports cars you can buy and hence why the price is high.
.
Also on power to weight the Spyder has more advantage...especially if the GTS is PDK like mine. Torque at 420 nm is identical on both but at higher rpm in the Spyder.
RSVP911 said:
Hi Chris, hope that you are well ?
I have a 981 Spyder - it really is a brilliant car , such a lot of fun - loads of feel , sounds amazing , small , fast and fun - I think you'd like it - as you know I also have a 991 RS - Completly different to the Spyder but I love them both. Also 997.2 GTS's are fetching amazing money - so it's good news whatever you choose to do - good luck
Hi RichardI have a 981 Spyder - it really is a brilliant car , such a lot of fun - loads of feel , sounds amazing , small , fast and fun - I think you'd like it - as you know I also have a 991 RS - Completly different to the Spyder but I love them both. Also 997.2 GTS's are fetching amazing money - so it's good news whatever you choose to do - good luck
Yes all good thanks. I just love the look of the 981 Spyder and think it ticks a lot of my boxes to follow the 997 GTS. Might look at advertising the GTS and then look for a 981 over the winter. Appreciate that choice is very limited so finding one could be a challenge without spending too much overs...!
Any absolute must have options? They appear to be well specced as standard which helps.
Chris
chrisABP said:
I find myself looking more and more at the 981 Spyder.....
Love my 997.2 GTS but its only used occasionally and whilst the rear seats are a bonus with two young boys they rarely accompany me on the times its used. Would love a 997.2 GT3 and the GT4 looks great too but both now too expensive and then I remember the epic drives in my S2000 years back. Summer evenings, cold winter nights with the roof down most of the time they were great drives and I miss that open top sensation. The 981 looks so right to me with the right looks, power, manual box etc....
Think this might be my next Porsche and hopefully if the prices soften slightly over the winter...
I went to 981 spyder from 997 GTS manual coupe and no question it is a better toy imo. More smiles per mile than any car I have ever owned and Ive had a lot.Love my 997.2 GTS but its only used occasionally and whilst the rear seats are a bonus with two young boys they rarely accompany me on the times its used. Would love a 997.2 GT3 and the GT4 looks great too but both now too expensive and then I remember the epic drives in my S2000 years back. Summer evenings, cold winter nights with the roof down most of the time they were great drives and I miss that open top sensation. The 981 looks so right to me with the right looks, power, manual box etc....
Think this might be my next Porsche and hopefully if the prices soften slightly over the winter...
RSVP911 said:
chrisABP said:
Hi Richard
Yes all good thanks. I just love the look of the 981 Spyder and think it ticks a lot of my boxes to follow the 997 GTS. Might look at advertising the GTS and then look for a 981 over the winter. Appreciate that choice is very limited so finding one could be a challenge without spending too much overs...!
Any absolute must have options? They appear to be well specced as standard which helps.
Chris
The only thing I would look for is leather / alcantare and Nav - but that's purely personal preference . The big debate as always is PCCB's vs. Steels. I went steels as I felt Ceramics were overkill , I think they work really well on this car as do ceramics on the RS. Yes all good thanks. I just love the look of the 981 Spyder and think it ticks a lot of my boxes to follow the 997 GTS. Might look at advertising the GTS and then look for a 981 over the winter. Appreciate that choice is very limited so finding one could be a challenge without spending too much overs...!
Any absolute must have options? They appear to be well specced as standard which helps.
Chris
I think you're right , not lots about and as long as overs are not excessive I think you'll be fine as so few were made. I can't see them depreciating massively (in relative terms) - it amazes me how small the overs are on the spider vs. GT4 - I'm sure these will erode as so many are for sale - it may be worth hanging on for a 4 ? FWIW , I had an allocation on a 4 and passed it up as I preferred the Spyder (but I may not have done if I didn't have the RS - in truth, they are all such good cars - Porsche are doing a very good job at the moment IMHO - bar the whole s
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