Chris Harris Drives: the Porsche 718 Boxster
Discussion
_Leg_ said:
JayK12 said:
I had that exact one for over a week, and the reason it doesn't sound crap is because there isn't any noise. I found it virtually silent, or I was just used to the 981.
I don't own and wont be buying a 718 because as I said in the film, it doesn't offer enough of a change from the 981 except in terms of speed and I have much faster cars than my Boxster already, so the fact that it is quicker than my 981 isn't a selling point for me personally. So, I have no vested interest in what the 718 is like at all. Indeed as a 981 owner one would imagine I might prefer to slate it.Does it sound different? Absolutely. Is it silent? Absolutely not, just watch the film if you don't believe me. Skip to the last couple of minutes if you can't be bothered to watch it all. Do you have to press on to get that sound? Yup, tootling around at sub 3500 rpm does mean the car will be quiet (and this is possibly what you refer to as silent) but press on and it makes plenty of noise albeit a different one.
Undeniably it is different, whether you like that sound or not is simply a personal thing. I prefer a 981 but that doesn't mean the 718 is bad, it's just different. I found it quite mechanical in terms of sound.
Then again, if you look at My Garage in my profile you'll see I have eclectic and varied tastes in cars and enjoy some that are worlds apart from the others I own.
On the subject of sound, and at risk of self promotion (who? me? Never ;-) ) here is a video comparing some of my Italian cars to some of my German cars. A certain German car doesn't sound great at all on this video but believe me, it's a feckin epic car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riiE-1j9eK8
Everyone has different tastes which is great but the 718, I cant think of one thing that's nice about the engine package as a whole, works in a hot hatch the way its going but in a mid-rear sports car, just doesn't feel right to me.
I agree, always been a Ferrari fan, and owned F cars, along with driven many and others, mainly for the sound and sense of occasion, I may go back but will want a 458 after doing hundreds of miles in one on varied roads in the middle east. I accidentally bought a the BGTS, i went to have a look at a Cayman GTS and drove the Boxster and thought cracking car and noise, straight of to the North Coast 500 and it was really impressive as a package..........I just don't feel the same about the 718 as a package, it wouldn't be a spontaneous purchase or car to wake up the senses imo.
_Leg_ said:
My video comparing my Boxster 981S and the new 718S is now up.
https://www.facebook.com/Richsgarages/posts/337597...
Any other method of viewing for us non-Facebook types?https://www.facebook.com/Richsgarages/posts/337597...
adamishome said:
So what? Are you trying to get approval? To build an army? Move on please. It has been mentioned so many times that this whole 6 vs 4 discussion is becoming boring. Porsche 718's have a 4 pot. It's happened. You cant change it. Nobody can change it. Move on.
People are coming to the 718 thread because they are interested in the 718. If your not, start a new "Fans of the 6" thread and let owners and prospective owners of the 718 discuss something more interesting.
People are coming to the 718 thread because they are interested in the 718. If your not, start a new "Fans of the 6" thread and let owners and prospective owners of the 718 discuss something more interesting.
n4aat said:
_Leg_ said:
My video comparing my Boxster 981S and the new 718S is now up.
https://www.facebook.com/Richsgarages/posts/337597...
Any other method of viewing for us non-Facebook types?https://www.facebook.com/Richsgarages/posts/337597...
https://youtu.be/ozCSVhW4W5U
_Leg_ said:
n4aat said:
_Leg_ said:
My video comparing my Boxster 981S and the new 718S is now up.
https://www.facebook.com/Richsgarages/posts/337597...
Any other method of viewing for us non-Facebook types?https://www.facebook.com/Richsgarages/posts/337597...
https://youtu.be/ozCSVhW4W5U
You have a natural style that works. Well done.
Loving the facial expressions when catching the oversteer in your car. Slightly embarrassed to be having fun.
Similar conclusions to me when I drove the 718s at Silverstone. Although I only drove with the roof down. Same as my 981. Has to be peeing it down to put the roof up. Though I guess that is pretty difficult to do when filming.
There is a reason 12 years ago I bought an old BMW z1 after test driving a 968 coupe
I wanted the Porsche and loved the looks in midnight blue but the 4 cylinder engine did not sound like a Porsche it sounded like a hoover. I bought the straight 6 z1 which sang albeit was not as quick. Did I regret it no
I wanted the Porsche and loved the looks in midnight blue but the 4 cylinder engine did not sound like a Porsche it sounded like a hoover. I bought the straight 6 z1 which sang albeit was not as quick. Did I regret it no
adamishome said:
So what? Are you trying to get approval? To build an army? Move on please. It has been mentioned so many times that this whole 6 vs 4 discussion is becoming boring. Porsche 718's have a 4 pot. It's happened. You cant change it. Nobody can change it. Move on.
People are coming to the 718 thread because they are interested in the 718. If your not, start a new "Fans of the 6" thread and let owners and prospective owners of the 718 discuss something more interesting.
Don't understand this outburst. I imagine the original poster of this thread did so as a discussion topic on the good, bad and indifferent aspects of the 718 as Chris Harris viewed it. This naturally invites similar comments from those that like and those that dislike the new 718. It isn't a worship the car thread. The changes (only the engine really) are certainly controversial no doubt about that.People are coming to the 718 thread because they are interested in the 718. If your not, start a new "Fans of the 6" thread and let owners and prospective owners of the 718 discuss something more interesting.
dreamcar said:
Don't understand this outburst. I imagine the original poster of this thread did so as a discussion topic on the good, bad and indifferent aspects of the 718 as Chris Harris viewed it. This naturally invites similar comments from those that like and those that dislike the new 718. It isn't a worship the car thread. The changes (only the engine really) are certainly controversial no doubt about that.
The 718 noise thing has gone beyond ad nauseam, certainly for 718 owners/purchasers. One has already announced their decision to move off the forum on this thread and there are 718 purchasers who have disappeared since previously posting. I doubt any prospective 718 new to the forum would be keen on joining in discussions based on what they have read. The 718 threads generally also include car worship, however, that seems only to be for 6 cylinder nasp models. Just my opinion on the matter
nickfrog said:
The bottom line seems to be that if you are happy with a 4-pot Cayman / Boxster you are bound not be an enthusiast or a purist, whatever that means. I don't understand it but that seems to be majority's view.
Probably a little inaccurate, I'd say the new engine is just different to all that has gone before, both in sound and driving characteristics. Some will like that, others won't. I guess those new to Porsche will accept the change easier than those of us used to the N/A flat six; that isn't to say it's worse (before I get my head kicked in)........just a break from tradition.My own experience of 718 is limited to Silverstone PEC, my initial impressions were not favourable, but I'll ask for a loaner when my BGTS goes in for its 2 year service next February, to experience one in the real world scenario. Because I live some distance away from my OPC I normally get a loan car for a week. If I learn to like what I find I'll report back, if I don't do I say nothing for fear it may upset some folk?
Edited by dreamcar on Wednesday 2nd November 10:25
Maybe I should be glad the majority of you are in the "I can't possibly say anything positive about the 718 for fear of not being seen as a *petrolhead/porsche expert /purist/driving god (*delete as applicable) and anyone who does is clearly wrong" clan.
I'll be the only one with a 718 which means it'll be super rare and worth at least £500,000 by Christmas.
I'll be the only one with a 718 which means it'll be super rare and worth at least £500,000 by Christmas.
Pinball said:
The 718 noise thing has gone beyond ad nauseam, certainly for 718 owners/purchasers. One has already announced their decision to move off the forum on this thread and there are 718 purchasers who have disappeared since previously posting. I doubt any prospective 718 new to the forum would be keen on joining in discussions based on what they have read. The 718 threads generally also include car worship, however, that seems only to be for 6 cylinder nasp models. Just my opinion on the matter
In the early stone-age, Ug stepped out of the tribal cave, saw a rock, and picked it up. He thought about it for a while, felt the weight of the rock, chucking it thoughfully from hand to hand. Ug looked up and saw a travelling herd of prehistoric deer nearby, and had an idea. He hurled the rock with all his might, and killed one of the deer.
Meanwhile, the rest of the tribe, peeking out of the tribal cave, saw what Ug had done, and were shocked.
"Ug!" they cried in alarm, "What you doing? We use stick to hunt deer! You big stupid!"
Ug was not perturbed. He liked his new rock. He liked that he didn't have to run and run and run waving sticks at the herd of deer, trying to kill them to eat. He could just stand there and hurl the rock.
"Me like rock. Rock good" Ug said happily. But the tribe didn't want to know. "You not purist," they said knowingly; "purist use stick".
After the sun rose and fell a further 50 times, the rest of the tribe had slowly come to see the value in Ug's thinking. They all saw that hurling a rock was easier to try to kill deer than chasing after them with sticks.
"Purist use rock", they all chanted merrily, each time the sun set.
The sun rose and fell another 50 times. Glog stepped out of the tribal cave on the 51st sunrise, saw a stick with a sharp end, and picked it up. He thought about it for a while, felt the sharp end of the stick, and began sharpening it with a piece of flint until it came to a point. Glog looked up and saw the travelling herd of prehistoric deer nearby. He hurled the sharp stick with all his might, killing one of them. He named his sharp stick 'spear', and was happy.
Meanwhile, the rest of the tribe, peeking out of the tribal cave, saw what Glog had done, and were shocked.
"Glog!" they cried in alarm, ""What you doing? We use rock to hunt deer! You big stupid!"
Glog was not perturbed. He liked his new spear. He liked that it flew straight and true through the air, killing deer more easily than a crude rock.
"Me like spear. Spear good" Glog said happily. But the tribe didn't want to know. "You not purist," they said knowingly; "purist use rock".
~
And so it goes. We've been suspicious of change, and slow to embrace it, ever since the early stone-age, apparently.
Meanwhile, the rest of the tribe, peeking out of the tribal cave, saw what Ug had done, and were shocked.
"Ug!" they cried in alarm, "What you doing? We use stick to hunt deer! You big stupid!"
Ug was not perturbed. He liked his new rock. He liked that he didn't have to run and run and run waving sticks at the herd of deer, trying to kill them to eat. He could just stand there and hurl the rock.
"Me like rock. Rock good" Ug said happily. But the tribe didn't want to know. "You not purist," they said knowingly; "purist use stick".
After the sun rose and fell a further 50 times, the rest of the tribe had slowly come to see the value in Ug's thinking. They all saw that hurling a rock was easier to try to kill deer than chasing after them with sticks.
"Purist use rock", they all chanted merrily, each time the sun set.
The sun rose and fell another 50 times. Glog stepped out of the tribal cave on the 51st sunrise, saw a stick with a sharp end, and picked it up. He thought about it for a while, felt the sharp end of the stick, and began sharpening it with a piece of flint until it came to a point. Glog looked up and saw the travelling herd of prehistoric deer nearby. He hurled the sharp stick with all his might, killing one of them. He named his sharp stick 'spear', and was happy.
Meanwhile, the rest of the tribe, peeking out of the tribal cave, saw what Glog had done, and were shocked.
"Glog!" they cried in alarm, ""What you doing? We use rock to hunt deer! You big stupid!"
Glog was not perturbed. He liked his new spear. He liked that it flew straight and true through the air, killing deer more easily than a crude rock.
"Me like spear. Spear good" Glog said happily. But the tribe didn't want to know. "You not purist," they said knowingly; "purist use rock".
~
And so it goes. We've been suspicious of change, and slow to embrace it, ever since the early stone-age, apparently.
Edited by Tim bo on Wednesday 2nd November 13:18
It's not change alone that's the problem for us NASPers. As cmoose puts it, it's the loss of throttle response feel and removal of 1000 revs etc that we lament and ultimately the lack of choice in the market. The world and his dog are using four cylinder turbo engines, I want a Porsche to be special and something different.
_Leg_ said:
It's actually on You Tube but I linked it via my FB channel like a nubber. Sorry.
https://youtu.be/ozCSVhW4W5U
Good video. Thanks for taking the time to do it. https://youtu.be/ozCSVhW4W5U
I was particularly interested to see/hear that the noise of the 718 sounded better inside the cabin than it did on the GoPro mounted near the exhaust. As you comment in the video, that's because we hear mostly the engine noises in the cabin rather than those coming from the exhaust.
Twinfan said:
It's not change alone that's the problem for us NASPers. As cmoose puts it, it's the loss of throttle response feel and removal of 1000 revs etc that we lament and ultimately the lack of choice in the market. The world and his dog are using four cylinder turbo engines, I want a Porsche to be special and something different.
Oh I don't disagree at all, and I agree with cmoose's view in the large. I'm always for more choice, and I would find it very sad if >4 cylinders disappeared from the market entirely.My silly story was just a lament at the human condition to what I see from many as their automatic derision of the new 718.
Having sticks and rocks and spears makes the world a more interesting and varied place.
Tim bo said:
Oh I don't disagree at all, and I agree with cmoose's view in the large. I'm always for more choice, and I would find it very sad if >4 cylinders disappeared from the market entirely.
My silly story was just a lament at the human condition to what I see from many as their automatic derision of the new 718.
Having sticks and rocks and spears makes the world a more interesting and varied place.
+1My silly story was just a lament at the human condition to what I see from many as their automatic derision of the new 718.
Having sticks and rocks and spears makes the world a more interesting and varied place.
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