Porsche 981 Boxtser / Cayman 20" tyre choices - P Zero N1s

[hixster]

7184c said:

Have you not looked at the Goodyear eagle f1s as an alternative?

Do Goodyears come on the 718? How have you found them if so and have you experienced the Pirellis for comaparison.
My understand is the newer Pirelli (n1) is the better tyre but that wasn't always the case

Edited by hixster on Sunday 18th June 08:47

[ClarkeyDiem]

FrankCayman et al...

I happen to have a full set of Michelin Pilot Sports in 20" (at a reasonable price) that I removed from my CGTS when I sold it.

They are in the PH Wheels & Tyres For Sale section - 20"

As others have said , they are not N rated but I found them to offer much better all round grip than the Bridgestones.

Or PM me

[hixster]

O.k. so just has this back from Michelin customer services....


Thank you for contacting MICHELIN Customer Service!

Vehicle information:

Make: Porsche
Range: Cayman type 981
Motor: 3.4 L 325 bhp petrol
Model: Cayman S
Tyre size: Front - 235/35 ZR20 88 (Y)
Rear - 265/35 ZR20 95 (Y)

In September we will be launching on the market MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S N0 XL. This tyre will be available in both dimensions and is designed for 80% road and 20% track usage. It is first in the largest number of essential performances like dry and wet braking, dry laptime and longevity.

Please find more information for this tyre model on the following link:

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-spo...

!At the moment there isn´t a tyre with N marking available for your front size and for the rear there are 2 tyres MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup 2 with N1 and N0 marking. These however are designed for 90% track and 10% road usage and we do not recommend mixing them with any other tyre model. Also please keep in mind that it is not advisable to mix tyres with different N markings.

In addition, on this link you can find the nearest Michelin dealers in your area:

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/dealer-locator

You can contact any one of them for availability and price in September-October. To make the search faster, you can provide them with these article numbers:

MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S N0 Extra Load 235/35 ZR20 92(Y) - 541068
MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S N0 Extra Load 265/35 ZR20 99(Y) - 459004

I hope this information is helpful to you and please don´t hesitate to contact us again if you have any more questions or concerns. We are happy to help.

[n4aat]

That's helpful. Thanks.

Should coincide will my next tyre replacement.

[Maxym]

I gather that the latest P Zero is the N2. Anyone any experience of those?

[n4aat]

N1

[hixster]

n4aat said:

N1

2... https://www.easywheels.co.uk/pirelli-p-zero-n2-tyr...

This subject is a minefield!

I thought my car was N1, phoned OPC, they said stick with the same as you have on the car already if only replacing 2 tyres - so that would be Pirelli PZero N0... now I find out there and N2...

[SimonOcean]

hixster said:

2... https://www.easywheels.co.uk/pirelli-p-zero-n2-tyr...

This subject is a minefield!

I thought my car was N1, phoned OPC, they said stick with the same as you have on the car already if only replacing 2 tyres - so that would be Pirelli PZero N0... now I find out there and N2...

Easywheels are quoting the wrong tyre: these might be N2, but they are a different specification than the tyres you need. Load rating is wrong. (Can't people read specifications?!)

I no longer have the 981 Porsche Cayman S, but my experience with the Pirelli N1's was very positive. It is much improved on the N0. Plus I had no problems selling the car while maintaining warranty. Unlike people using the currently available Michelin's (notice how these often get sold second hand). However the news that an official Porsche fitment from Michelin is available in 3Q/4Q 2017 is great news for all.

[bcr5784]

hixster said:

2... https://www.easywheels.co.uk/pirelli-p-zero-n2-tyr...

This subject is a minefield!

I thought my car was N1, phoned OPC, they said stick with the same as you have on the car already if only replacing 2 tyres - so that would be Pirelli PZero N0... now I find out there and N2...

As others have said the N1 Pirelli is noticeably better than the N0 (or, should I say, I prefer it), However it is quite different so a mixture might have odd effects.

Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 20th June 08:09

[hixster]

bcr5784 said:

As others have said the N1 Pirelli is noticeably better than the N0 (or, should I say, I prefer it), However it is quite different so a mixture might have odd effects.

Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 20th June 08:09

New tyres all round then ££££

[eggy41]

I have the Pirelli N0's and have not enjoyed them, rears are on their way out and first MOT is due, low and behold puncture on the front offside an possibly front nearside (initial one is flat now), car in garage. Ordered the Michelin's (non N rated) but seems supply is restricted so may have to go for the Pirelli N1's ...

[curley]

My car has x73 suspension and I found the Pirelli NO tyres far too hard , no sidewall compliance at all and like concrete in the winter , used to skip around .


As there were no Michelins available I went for a set of Goodyear N rated . MUCH better tyre for overall compliance and general road use .

[ATM]

curley said:

My car has x73 suspension and I found the Pirelli NO tyres far too hard , no sidewall compliance at all and like concrete in the winter , used to skip around .


As there were no Michelins available I went for a set of Goodyear N rated . MUCH better tyre for overall compliance and general road use .

88 or 92 loading on the front?

[DJMC]

hixster said:

O.k. so just has this back from Michelin customer services....


Thank you for contacting MICHELIN Customer Service!

Vehicle information:

Make: Porsche
Range: Cayman type 981
Motor: 3.4 L 325 bhp petrol
Model: Cayman S
Tyre size: Front - 235/35 ZR20 88 (Y)
Rear - 265/35 ZR20 95 (Y)

In September we will be launching on the market MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S N0 XL. This tyre will be available in both dimensions and is designed for 80% road and 20% track usage. It is first in the largest number of essential performances like dry and wet braking, dry laptime and longevity.

Please find more information for this tyre model on the following link:

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-spo...

!At the moment there isn´t a tyre with N marking available for your front size and for the rear there are 2 tyres MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup 2 with N1 and N0 marking. These however are designed for 90% track and 10% road usage and we do not recommend mixing them with any other tyre model. Also please keep in mind that it is not advisable to mix tyres with different N markings.

In addition, on this link you can find the nearest Michelin dealers in your area:

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/dealer-locator

You can contact any one of them for availability and price in September-October. To make the search faster, you can provide them with these article numbers:

MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S N0 Extra Load 235/35 ZR20 92(Y) - 541068
MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4 S N0 Extra Load 265/35 ZR20 99(Y) - 459004

I hope this information is helpful to you and please don´t hesitate to contact us again if you have any more questions or concerns. We are happy to help.

PS4S in 20" already available via OPCs per Camskill who were peed off they couldn't get them yet. Certainly they were due out by May this year per Michelin when I contacted them in Feb.
PS Camskill had poor reports of the new Michelin from owners with other cars/sizes.
Call them for more info.
I'm sticking with Goodyears. They have been excellent after the appalling P Zero N0s.

Edited by DJMC on Wednesday 21st June 15:32

[eggy41]

curley said:

My car has x73 suspension and I found the Pirelli NO tyres far too hard , no sidewall compliance at all and like concrete in the winter , used to skip around .


As there were no Michelins available I went for a set of Goodyear N rated . MUCH better tyre for overall compliance and general road use .

Curley, I have the X73 as well and have found the Pirelli's (like others) rock hard, so I may go for the Goodyear's ... just waiting on a call from Colchester on the Michelin situation

[Koln-RS]

IMO Goodyear F1s are very good tyres for road use.

If you look at any of the independent tyre tests they consistently get excellent results.

[Geneve]

I'm a big fan of the GY Eagle F1s, and run them on several vehicles.

They are very good under all conditions, but two of their specific qualities are lower road noise and more compliant ride comfort.

In fact, I put a set on my GT4 for use over the recent winter F.235/35 & R.275/35 x 20s, following advice from Goodyear Technical, and they were brilliant..

[HighwayStar]

Geneve said:

I'm a big fan of the GY Eagle F1s, and run them on several vehicles.

They are very good under all conditions, but two of their specific qualities are lower road noise and more compliant ride comfort.

In fact, I put a set on my GT4 for use over the recent winter F.235/35 & R.275/35 x 20s, following advice from Goodyear Technical, and they were brilliant..

Me too... A few weeks ago I did a 4 day road trip in Wales, via Simple Porsche, with my best mate. I treated my 981 CS to some new Eagle F1 rears, 265/35 x 20s. It rained solid for 2.5 days... it didn't spoil my enjoyment at all. The F1's were phenomenal in the wet, amazing grip levels. Yep, they are brilliant. And a decent price too.

[hixster]

New boots all round today - managed to get all four corners fitted and balanced with new PZero N1s for £828 -and f**K me - the car feels awesome.

The guys at the fitters picked up on the fact that the original PZero N0s were fatigued to hell ( I had zero legal tread on the rears, but quite a bit on the fronts) but the tyres were cracking badly.

All low speed graunching (Ackerman) with hard steering angle has gone - The new tyres feel super smooth, I haven't driven the car in anger yet, but am well happy with the miles I've done this afternoon

Edited by hixster on Thursday 22 June 20:34

Edited by hixster on Thursday 22 June 20:36

[Milnsey]

hixster said:

New boots all round today - managed to get all four corners fitted and balanced with new PZero N1s for £828 -and f**K me - the car feels awesome.

The guys at the fitters picked up on the fact that the original PZero N0s were fatigued to hell ( I had zero legal tread on the rears, but quite a bit on the fronts) but the tyres were cracking badly.

All low speed graunching (Ackerman) with hard steering angle has gone - The new tyres feel super smooth, I haven't driven the car in anger yet, but am well happy with the miles I've done this afternoon

Edited by hixster on Thursday 22 June 20:34

Edited by hipster on Thursday 22 June 20:36

Low speed graunching tends to gradually creep back as tyres wear out in my experience