U turn if you want to, Slippy's not for turning .....

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

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It depends what one calls "substantially" as that words means "to a great or significant extent" and you have no way of backing that up on a like for like set up.

[Porsche911R]

bcr5784 said:

Radical concept that. Given some of the postings and vast numbers of pictures, some would doubtless like to sleep with their cars - but what people do in private with their consenting conveyance is none of my business.

I am stating people get upset if you post the negatives on any car anyone owns, to a point people will say black is white.

[Porsche911R]

Slippydiff said:

For what reason/s Chris ?

you must know this answer ?

[ChrisW.]

Apologies for the slow reply ...

1. No I haven't driven both CR and GT4 on the same day, but I have comparison lap times and I'm sorry to say that I'm a very slow racer that just loves giving passenger rides ... the GT4 has much more potential than the CR ... hence my willingness to develop it.

2. More economical, more ratios, faster changes, faster acceleration ... more time to concentrate on the difference between where the car is going and where it's steering ??



David, 2:47 vs 2:55 round Spa ?

Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 8th June 19:51

[HokumPokum]

ChrisW. said:

Well, to set the cat amongst the pigeons, I would have optioned a PDK GT4 ....

so would I.
especially if it is PDK-S, I would leave it in auto on track.

I hope the 718 Gt4 offers a PDK-S option.

Edited by HokumPokum on Friday 9th June 13:24

[Porsche911R]

HokumPokum said:

so would I.
especially if it is PDK-S, I would leave it in auto on track.

I hope the 718 Gt4 offers a PDK-S option.

I don't get why you would want to go on a track and leave a car in auto, it's amazing how so many people have quite strong views.

you gain 1 second a lap and loose 50% of the fun and interaction ! I cannot think of anything more dull than tracking an automatic lol

[HokumPokum]

precisely for that 1sec or less

the pdk-s shifts at exactly the optimum point and is actually faster than manual control on most tracks.

but you said it right, i get my kicks from pushing the chassis/car. don't care about the rest of the other stuff as much. different strokes for everyone.

[bcr5784]

Porsche911R said:

I don't get why you would want to go on a track and leave a car in auto, it's amazing how so many people have quite strong views.

you gain 1 second a lap and loose 50% of the fun and interaction ! I cannot think of anything more dull than tracking an automatic lol

People get pleasure from different things. If you want to perfect your gearchanges and get your fun that way even if it means you sacrifice a bit in braking or steering (and time) that's fine . If you want to focus more on your braking and steering (and lap times) that also seems fine to me. Can't see why you are unable to see there is another perspective to enjoyment which is just as valid.

There is (in the car world) a bit of a fixation with gearchanging and an opposition (in some quarters) of aids such as autoblippers and any form of automation. In the bike world (as far as I can tell) there is no such opposition - the lack of autoblippers and quickshifters on high end bikes is regarded as an Omission. The first mainstream Superbike with a dual clutch gearbox will, I have no doubt, be universally applauded.

[GT4P]

Watching some of the TT this week and the super bikes are fitted with autoblippers so won't be long if it hasn't already filter down to road bikes!

[bcr5784]

GT4P said:

Watching some of the TT this week and the super bikes are fitted with autoblippers so won't be long if it hasn't already filter down to road bikes!

That's ALREADY true of many of the current (road) superbikes - my point.

[Slippydiff]

Anyhoooo, if we could avoid turning this into yet another manual v's PDK debate....

The Red Baron took an unscheduled trip on the back of this today :



Even if Stuttgart screwed up on their choice of material for the brake pedal bushes on the 981, hopefully the gearchange cables they specced are better quality than the junk used on the 987 ...... Mine broke 25 miles from home yesterday evening.

Pulling out of a junction, I went for second and the knob went limp in my hand
In 15 years of driving 911's I've never once experienced a mechanical failure......

It seems the 987 Cayman cable routing is poor, the cables themselves not durable in this install, and by the sounds of it, the brackets supporting the cables where they exit to operate the external levers on the gearbox, are less than ideally located to ensure long cable life. Thanks Porsche, that'll be the thick end of £550 fitted.
Still, I guess they'd only had 5 years to address what is clearly a widespread problem.

The AA attended this morning and confirmed the fore/aft cable had failed. I'd already read about the numerous owners who'd experienced failures, and thus considered fitting the Numeric shift cables :

https://numericracing.com/store/cables-986987/

Alas, it's too late for them now, and as it looks increasingly like the car's tenure will be cut short chez Slippy, so standard cables will be fitted by my local OPC next week. Open wallet surgery beckons, KY jelly at the ready

[Klippie]

I hate seeing cars being recovered..!!!

Are the cables not covered by the Porsche warranty.

[LiamH66]

bcr5784 said:

That's ALREADY true of many of the current (road) superbikes - my point.

I'm guessing more than a few must have slipper clutches as standard now as well, which makes rev matching on the way down the 'box far less of a necessity. I find bikes a little easier to blip on the way down the box than cars. Didn't like the idea of the sports chrono rev matching, so didn't spec it. Then I tried it at the PEC and in a lot of ways wish I had. At least the Cayman pedal box is set out so h&t is a possibility without riveting an extension onto the throttle pedal.

Liam

[GT3cs]

Slippydiff said:

Alas, it's too late for them now, and as it looks increasingly like the car's tenure will be cut short chez Slippy,

Something else in the pipeline ?

[bcr5784]

LiamH66 said:

I'm guessing more than a few must have slipper clutches as standard now as well, which makes rev matching on the way down the 'box far less of a necessity.

Liam

Slipper clutches are almost universal on sports bikes - and on some not so sporty too. Likewise ABS, and all sorts of stability management stuff too.

[Slippydiff]

GT3cs said:

Something else in the pipeline ?

Indeed, it's looking like a £17 +K cheaper Gen 2 3.4 S Cayman to be known as project "Blank canvas" will take the R's place
Big brakes, lots of trick suspension links, high end dampers, decent Recaro seats, lightweight wheels etc etc ........ either that or a Gen 2 997 C2/C2s Coupe. More likely to be the 987 than a 997 though.

Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 10th June 18:57

[Slippydiff]

Well, well, well. In my first post in this thread, I made mention of the GT silver R Swindon loaned me.
It would appear this is the same car :


http://themotor.myfastforum.org/archive/cayman-r-t...

Interesting comments about the steering feel, and the noise from the Sports exhaust.
I didn't think the gearshift particularly quick or indeed precise, so I'm surprised to read it had a factory quickshift fitted, it certainly didn't feel as good as the example fitted to the Meteor grey car I drove at Cameron's.

[Porsche911R]

Slippydiff said:

Indeed, it's looking like a £17 +K cheaper Gen 2 3.4 S Cayman to be known as project "Blank canvas" will take the R's place
Big brakes, lots of trick suspension links, high end dampers, decent Recaro seats, lightweight wheels etc etc ........ either that or a Gen 2 997 C2/C2s Coupe. More likely to be the 987 than a 997 though.

Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 10th June 18:57

Sounds a good project, finding a nice gen 2 for £17k is the hard part, then you miss out on the SS, LSD, alloy doors, alloy bonnet , light weight wheels. I would keep the R myself, you could even sell your seats for about £4K. I am sure gens 2 were about £27k ish now days for a nice one, not that I look so may be well out.

Same issue with a gen 2 997 they are up at £60k now :-(

The R also looks cooler, black headlights aero kit etc, you also have xenons, very hard to find on a gen 2 and a must have on your part I thought.

Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 10th June 23:59

[jakesmith]

anonymous said:

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[Slippydiff]

anonymous said:

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^ This.
The standard fit R LSD is the usual Porsche tat (actually it's even worse than the 996/7GT3 item) The Guard item is far superior.

The standard ali doors are a lovely touch, but a massive performance benefit ? Not so much methinks.

And as Jeremy stated, I'm looking for a car £17k cheaper than the R, so realistically I'm looking at £24-25k cars of which there seem to be a reasonable amount with the options I want/need (though there was a 90k mile Gen 2 S up at £17.5 recently) which was tempting, though Basalt black isn't my first choice or a colour.

911V currently have a nice Aqua blue example, whilst Ashgood have a Speed yellow version, but both are too expensive as a base car for my project, but more importantly, neither have Bi-xenons.