U turn if you want to, Slippy's not for turning .....
Discussion
Update/Upgrade.
Phase 1 begins here :
As previously mentioned, there were a couple of issues with the car when I collected it off RPM at Knaresborough. Nick and the lads have been excellent in sorting them.
First up was the corroded inner faces of the front discs.
I've seen worse, but as most R owners on here, Rennlist etc have reported, the standard Cayman brakes aren't brilliant (or more specifically the pedal feel/travel is less than ideal) and clearly the corrosion on the inner faces of the front discs wasn't going to be improving matters. A quick chat with Nick at RPM saw a pair of new front discs, pads and wear sensors winging their way to me at no charge. Thankyou to RPM. Top quality service gentlemen
These were duly fitted today :
The discs are Sebro and the pads Textar.
Fortunately the caliper securing bolts weren't seized due to the oft seen galvanic corrosion (even though it looked as if the calipers hadn't been unbolted before) and thus they didn't tear the threads out of the uprights when removed, when/if this happens it turns what should be a simple job into a complete 'mare,
With the front discs and pads replaced, the rear brake disc drillings were cleared of residual brake dust using a drill, and then gently countersunk again. The rear discs are worn, but will still be good for many more miles.
Many R owners have replaced the standard master cylinder with the larger 27mm bore item off the 997 GT3 to improve pedal travel. Never one to miss the opportunity to address issues "whilst you're in there" as it were, on went the GT3 item. A nice straightforward easily accessed job :
As the brakes are rather small and possibly borderline in their ability to manage heat, I thought it best to use a fluid that will easily withstand what may be elevated temperatures, so the system was purged and refilled with this :
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/Product.do?method=vi...
Filling and proper bleeding took some 2.5 litres of the stuff.....
The pedal is now rock solid with minimal travel. Clearly the new pads/discs will need to bedded in gently over the next 200 miles or so, and once that's done the pedal will firm up further and there'll most likely be a reduction in travel too.
My initial thoughts are the pedal is very good and far, far superior to the mushy hopelessness that existed previously.
Now I have a pair of used but intact front discs, reverse engineering the bells for the considerably larger diameter floating discs and caliper spacers can begin
Phase 1 begins here :
As previously mentioned, there were a couple of issues with the car when I collected it off RPM at Knaresborough. Nick and the lads have been excellent in sorting them.
First up was the corroded inner faces of the front discs.
I've seen worse, but as most R owners on here, Rennlist etc have reported, the standard Cayman brakes aren't brilliant (or more specifically the pedal feel/travel is less than ideal) and clearly the corrosion on the inner faces of the front discs wasn't going to be improving matters. A quick chat with Nick at RPM saw a pair of new front discs, pads and wear sensors winging their way to me at no charge. Thankyou to RPM. Top quality service gentlemen
These were duly fitted today :
The discs are Sebro and the pads Textar.
Fortunately the caliper securing bolts weren't seized due to the oft seen galvanic corrosion (even though it looked as if the calipers hadn't been unbolted before) and thus they didn't tear the threads out of the uprights when removed, when/if this happens it turns what should be a simple job into a complete 'mare,
With the front discs and pads replaced, the rear brake disc drillings were cleared of residual brake dust using a drill, and then gently countersunk again. The rear discs are worn, but will still be good for many more miles.
Many R owners have replaced the standard master cylinder with the larger 27mm bore item off the 997 GT3 to improve pedal travel. Never one to miss the opportunity to address issues "whilst you're in there" as it were, on went the GT3 item. A nice straightforward easily accessed job :
As the brakes are rather small and possibly borderline in their ability to manage heat, I thought it best to use a fluid that will easily withstand what may be elevated temperatures, so the system was purged and refilled with this :
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/Product.do?method=vi...
Filling and proper bleeding took some 2.5 litres of the stuff.....
The pedal is now rock solid with minimal travel. Clearly the new pads/discs will need to bedded in gently over the next 200 miles or so, and once that's done the pedal will firm up further and there'll most likely be a reduction in travel too.
My initial thoughts are the pedal is very good and far, far superior to the mushy hopelessness that existed previously.
Now I have a pair of used but intact front discs, reverse engineering the bells for the considerably larger diameter floating discs and caliper spacers can begin
Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 31st May 20:41
TheRocket said:
Nice to see a dealer helping out on the brakes. GT3 MC is a great little upgrade for brake feel, I haven't changed the fluid yet and never heard of that brand, was thinking Castrol SRF or is this a better option ?
I have a throttle Sprint Booster on it's way to try and remove some of the dead pedal (no sports chrono on mine) I've read positive things about them but it has 30 day return policy if no good. Ohlins and Elephant racing adjustable top front camber plates will be going on in one month, for now will stick with standard ARB's and see how it goes...
The Endless fluid has a slightly higher dry boiling point than the SRF, but a lower wet boiling point.I have a throttle Sprint Booster on it's way to try and remove some of the dead pedal (no sports chrono on mine) I've read positive things about them but it has 30 day return policy if no good. Ohlins and Elephant racing adjustable top front camber plates will be going on in one month, for now will stick with standard ARB's and see how it goes...
Throttle Sprint Booster ? I'm a sceptic I'm afraid
Do please keep me up to speed with your Ohlins installation at CG.
Desert Dragon said:
Steve Rance said:
i'd either put my money here or with a 996 GT3.
Interesting thought. I love both of these but they seem very expensive to me? What do you think of asking prices for these two lovely GT3s Mr Rance?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Yellow car looks stunning in Speed, but is overpriced (you're well into nice Gen 1 997 GT3 territory at this price point) unless you specifically want a garage queen Mk 2 996 GT3. A Gen 1 997 GT3 makes a better road car, though less tactile and engaging than the earlier iteration.
As Mr D says, Cayman R is a "relative bargain" when viewed alongside cars such as the GT3's linked to. Residuals seem strong for the "right" spec Cayman R's) though I have to say if a manual with Spyder wheels, bi-xenons, in a strong colour came up without carbon buckets (at price that reflected the lack of their fitment) I'd buy it and fit a set of nicely trimmed Pole Positions, as whilst the folding carbon buckets look stunning, they're mounted far too high and don't suit my ageing spine....
Time will tell whether the market views the Cayman R as something genuinely special, or as just another parts bin special with some pretty decals.
Mk 1 & 2 996 GT3's haven't taken off as I expected them to, but they are a VERY niche product which appeals to and is appreciated by only a select few. Ditto 996 GT2, but to an even greater degree.
I drove a 981 S "Unicorn" spec at Bristol OPC last Nov. It was a lovely car, but "special" as a weekend toy ? Not really, just too nice and rounded to drive in that capacity. 987 Cayman R far more raw and it's cabin more intimate.
If an R seems lacking in value, a sensible miles Gen 2 987 Cayman S would be where my money would go.
Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 1st June 14:34
ChrisW. said:
I still prefer my GT4 ...
For me, it's truly mega ... the CR was good but this, is I am sure far better than Porsche expected it to be.
Maybe the GT4RS will play catch-up ??
It's a fantastic piece of kit Chris, but worth twice the value of the CR as a road only use car ? I'm really not so sure.For me, it's truly mega ... the CR was good but this, is I am sure far better than Porsche expected it to be.
Maybe the GT4RS will play catch-up ??
Edited by ChrisW. on Friday 2nd June 23:01
How are those ST discs shaping up ? I reckon my new 318mm front discs are about the same size as the bells on those ST's ...
Desert Dragon said:
Are Sebro OEM?
I was dubious originally, but I did some surfing and came up with this :https://rennlist.com/forums/964-forum/668518-sebro...
http://www.sebro.eu/products/series-and-aftersales...
Based in Germany (and not a million miles from Stuttgart,,,)
ChrisW. said:
For road use I completely agree ... of course the other way of looking at it is that the GT4 is half the price of a GT3RS ??
ST discs ? So far, better than PCCB's in the wet which can be a little slow to dry out, feel seems to be the same, --- and I can't get them hot enough to burn the paint off the edge of the pads !!
I'm at Spa and Zandvoort at the end of this month and I'll need to fit new tyres for that ... what do you do with your half worn sets of tyres that won't last a European hoon (even if the shoulders are now more protected) ..
Simple man maths required ! ! Get a spare set of nice lightweight (Forgeline would be my choice) wheels and wear the tyres out on the road ! ! ST discs ? So far, better than PCCB's in the wet which can be a little slow to dry out, feel seems to be the same, --- and I can't get them hot enough to burn the paint off the edge of the pads !!
I'm at Spa and Zandvoort at the end of this month and I'll need to fit new tyres for that ... what do you do with your half worn sets of tyres that won't last a European hoon (even if the shoulders are now more protected) ..
Would ST (or whoever you bought the pads off) not supply pre-bedded pads ?
GT4P said:
The Gt4 is not twice the price of a CR , a good low miles (ie less than 5k) 6 year old CR is going to cost circa £55k+ whereas a 1 year old Gt4 can be had for £85k. If we look at it another way a new a CR with good spec was £60k whereas a Gt4 was £72k so in real terms when new only £12k between them.
IMHO and my problem with the CR is if bought new it was a no brainer but is it really worth £20k secondhand over a 987.2 CS?Don't get me wrong I think the CR is a good car but not as good as the 987spyder which I can see it worth the premiums over the standard 987.2BS! Also I think the 987 spyder drives better than a CR!
As for the 991rs being worth £100k over a gt4 ( new prices were double or circa £70K) after following one and it not being able to pull more than a car length away from me up to X mph i had peaked 3rd and was almost peaking in fourth before we backed off just makes the Gt4 seem even more of a bargain no wonder Porsche restricted the gt4 engine!
In January of this year the Cayman cost me just over £42K at 32k miles (and is what I'd term usable mileage, rather than "garage queen, only going to devalue it by using it", mileage) IMHO and my problem with the CR is if bought new it was a no brainer but is it really worth £20k secondhand over a 987.2 CS?Don't get me wrong I think the CR is a good car but not as good as the 987spyder which I can see it worth the premiums over the standard 987.2BS! Also I think the 987 spyder drives better than a CR!
As for the 991rs being worth £100k over a gt4 ( new prices were double or circa £70K) after following one and it not being able to pull more than a car length away from me up to X mph i had peaked 3rd and was almost peaking in fourth before we backed off just makes the Gt4 seem even more of a bargain no wonder Porsche restricted the gt4 engine!
By your own admission a GT4 will currently cost me £85k. That's twice the cost from my perspective.
For the sake of clarification, that may not be your perspective, nor indeed anyone else's, but it is mine
What a car cost new 5-6 years ago is of no importance to me whatsoever, likewise what the GT4 would've cost new is a moot point too, as I don't buy new cars and I'd struggle to justify paying over MRRP for any modern Porsche. And I'd certainly not perform fellatio on the DP at my local OPC to ensure I got a crack at owning the latest. greatest toy...... I appreciate this makes me a bit freak round these parts, but fortunately we're not all the same
987 Spyder ? As I said earlier in this very thread, I wouldn't be seen dead in any ragtop car
bcr5784 said:
If you " wouldn't be seen dead in a ragtop car", then I suppose that doesn't apply. Personally don't mind being seen dead in a hearse....
I'd say it's more definitive than just supposing it doesn't apply. 
kevs 172 said:
987 Spyder is the most enjoyable to drive,that's why none are for sale.
Who cares about a few seconds around the ring?
Don't care for ragtops, but neither do I give a fig about any car's 'Ring time either. Who cares about a few seconds around the ring?
Anyhoooo, if we could avoid turning this into yet another manual v's PDK debate....
The Red Baron took an unscheduled trip on the back of this today :
Even if Stuttgart screwed up on their choice of material for the brake pedal bushes on the 981, hopefully the gearchange cables they specced are better quality than the junk used on the 987 ...... Mine broke 25 miles from home yesterday evening.
Pulling out of a junction, I went for second and the knob went limp in my hand
In 15 years of driving 911's I've never once experienced a mechanical failure......
It seems the 987 Cayman cable routing is poor, the cables themselves not durable in this install, and by the sounds of it, the brackets supporting the cables where they exit to operate the external levers on the gearbox, are less than ideally located to ensure long cable life. Thanks Porsche, that'll be the thick end of £550 fitted.
Still, I guess they'd only had 5 years to address what is clearly a widespread problem.
The AA attended this morning and confirmed the fore/aft cable had failed. I'd already read about the numerous owners who'd experienced failures, and thus considered fitting the Numeric shift cables :
https://numericracing.com/store/cables-986987/
Alas, it's too late for them now, and as it looks increasingly like the car's tenure will be cut short chez Slippy, so standard cables will be fitted by my local OPC next week. Open wallet surgery beckons, KY jelly at the ready
The Red Baron took an unscheduled trip on the back of this today :
Even if Stuttgart screwed up on their choice of material for the brake pedal bushes on the 981, hopefully the gearchange cables they specced are better quality than the junk used on the 987 ...... Mine broke 25 miles from home yesterday evening.
Pulling out of a junction, I went for second and the knob went limp in my hand
In 15 years of driving 911's I've never once experienced a mechanical failure......
It seems the 987 Cayman cable routing is poor, the cables themselves not durable in this install, and by the sounds of it, the brackets supporting the cables where they exit to operate the external levers on the gearbox, are less than ideally located to ensure long cable life. Thanks Porsche, that'll be the thick end of £550 fitted.
Still, I guess they'd only had 5 years to address what is clearly a widespread problem.
The AA attended this morning and confirmed the fore/aft cable had failed. I'd already read about the numerous owners who'd experienced failures, and thus considered fitting the Numeric shift cables :
https://numericracing.com/store/cables-986987/
Alas, it's too late for them now, and as it looks increasingly like the car's tenure will be cut short chez Slippy, so standard cables will be fitted by my local OPC next week. Open wallet surgery beckons, KY jelly at the ready
GT3cs said:
Something else in the pipeline ?
Indeed, it's looking like a £17 +K cheaper Gen 2 3.4 S Cayman to be known as project "Blank canvas" will take the R's place Big brakes, lots of trick suspension links, high end dampers, decent Recaro seats, lightweight wheels etc etc ........ either that or a Gen 2 997 C2/C2s Coupe. More likely to be the 987 than a 997 though.
Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 10th June 18:57
Well, well, well. In my first post in this thread, I made mention of the GT silver R Swindon loaned me.
It would appear this is the same car :
http://themotor.myfastforum.org/archive/cayman-r-t...
Interesting comments about the steering feel, and the noise from the Sports exhaust.
I didn't think the gearshift particularly quick or indeed precise, so I'm surprised to read it had a factory quickshift fitted, it certainly didn't feel as good as the example fitted to the Meteor grey car I drove at Cameron's.
It would appear this is the same car :
http://themotor.myfastforum.org/archive/cayman-r-t...
Interesting comments about the steering feel, and the noise from the Sports exhaust.
I didn't think the gearshift particularly quick or indeed precise, so I'm surprised to read it had a factory quickshift fitted, it certainly didn't feel as good as the example fitted to the Meteor grey car I drove at Cameron's.
anonymous said:
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^ This.The standard fit R LSD is the usual Porsche tat (actually it's even worse than the 996/7GT3 item) The Guard item is far superior.
The standard ali doors are a lovely touch, but a massive performance benefit ? Not so much methinks.
And as Jeremy stated, I'm looking for a car £17k cheaper than the R, so realistically I'm looking at £24-25k cars of which there seem to be a reasonable amount with the options I want/need (though there was a 90k mile Gen 2 S up at £17.5 recently) which was tempting, though Basalt black isn't my first choice or a colour.
911V currently have a nice Aqua blue example, whilst Ashgood have a Speed yellow version, but both are too expensive as a base car for my project, but more importantly, neither have Bi-xenons.
HokumPokum said:
so pdk or manual?
Are you tracking it? The only reason for gen 2 imo would be the PDK box.
No plans to track it, so it'll be a manual.Are you tracking it? The only reason for gen 2 imo would be the PDK box.
The purchase of the R was always going to be on the basis it was an extended road test, as by David's own admission driving a car for an hour, an afternoon or some would say a week, often isn't enough to establish its true credentials.
Out of the box the R is good, but the more I've driven it the more I've found it's foibles and shortcomings.
I fully understand your view that the suspension "limits" your speed to 80mph on the bumpier stuff, and I also get that being so "limited" with the new and somewhat punitive guidelines for speeding fines makes a lot of sense, but for me honing the car's suspension to work on such roads above those speeds is were the fun really starts, and combining that high speed bumpy road ability with a better quality ride on all our hopeless road surfaces at all speeds, is the icing on the cake.
Chucking R PCCB uprights, six pots and Giro discs would no doubt sort the brake issues, but by the time you've addressed upgrading the rears too, you'll be staring down the barrel of £5k. I think what I'm proposing with bigger discs whilst utilising the standard calipers, will be lighter, just as efficient, whilst being far cheaper, and leaving sufficient funds to experiment with GT2/3 servos to further improve the brake feel.
Fitting the contents of the Tarrett/Elephant Racing/RSS catalogues isn't entirely necessary, as the car won't see track use, so they'll be no need to have the ability to crank 3.5 degrees camber on the front end, but having full adjustability combined with accurately located suspension components IS important. And whilst there are spherical bearing kits for the inner coffin arm bushes, and the same for the castor pucks, it makes sense to chuck the standard non-adjustable stuff out and fit the likes of the RSS/Elephant or Tarrett items.
Until recently I'd thought that fitting the full RSS kit would make for a horrible, noisy/clanky road car, but having experienced a Mk 1 996 GT3 fitted with every possible suspension link upgrade, I now know that's not the case.
The seat position is an irritation. All the more so after driving a mate's Gen 1 car a couple of weeks ago. It's fitted with the full on armchairs, but the driving position is waaaaay better than that provided by the GT2 folding buckets, as you can get the seat base so much lower. By your admission the R folding buckets are mounted way too high, I was shocked how much better the armchairs were from a position perspective (though clearly they're nothing like as supportive.
Much as the 18" wheels are probably the better option "dynamically", I'd want to run lightweight 19's as I think they look better in the 987 wheel arches. And as you've said, there's a better choice of modern tyres for 19" wheels. A mate is currently struggling to find decent (for which read modern) 18" tyres in 225 and 285 sizes for his Mk1 996 GT3. Cups 2's are the only modern tyres available, but clearly have their limitations in UK weather.
In some ways I'd like to keep the R (personally I like the aerokit), but what I have planned can be done to a considerably cheaper base car and the end product will (I hope) be a far, far better car, better suited to my specific needs, albeit one with less "investment" potential. But in all honesty I've never really bought the cars to make money (if I had, the 964 RS's/993 RS/996 GT3 RS and 996 GT2's would have stayed) but rather just to enjoy driving them, and a well modified Gen 2 will give me a better, more focused drive for far less than the equivalent modified R.
Porsche911R said:
I look forward to the project, I love projects and if you can fix the brakes on the 4 pots it would be amazing as the USA boys have tried and tried.
Saying that I have zero brake issues with the PCCB bits on the Spyder and the brakes are amazing, one of the best things about the car.
again every car seems different !
I have driven Old bobs car which is now in another members hands here, might be worth a drive in that car brake wise see if you like that option of just the Gyro 340MM disks upgrade, My self I would go for the 996 GT3 calipers, NOT the gt3 MC , but the inbetween one for the PCCB system, a new brake booster as there seems to be a lot of parts numbers for that, on Brembo 350mm 2 piece disks. And If I felt rich Endless mx72 plus pads.
Guard diff, as noted.
OZ wheels or oem Spyers on a Black ed car if you can find one.
shocks are personal choice, Ohlins, KW, I have always wanted to try JRZ myself.
Cargraphic complete exhaust with Cobb tune for about 370BHp.
Recaro Poles the Carbon ones ;-) with BBI recaro mounting hardware.
Braile battery.
Cup, or RSS LCA and toe links.
the R rear ARB.
Fix cables so you don't have a repeat issue.
Some sort of short shift
few other trinkets
I did have a build sheet once, just looked and it , comes to £32k ( inc 5k on brakes)on a base car of 25k so £57k all in ,a bit pricey now I see why I have not done it !
but still cheaper than buying a 2010 gen 2 997 I guess.
I spent about £8k on the Spyder but it already had the PCCB set up, and light wheels, runs about 350BHP and 1250kg,
next would be shocks if I did anything, then I could get the weight lower as 1250kg is the limit on oem sus I think.
Broad brush that's where I'm at, but you've got £4k's worth of carbon PP's in there that rather defeats the object of trying to cost save Saying that I have zero brake issues with the PCCB bits on the Spyder and the brakes are amazing, one of the best things about the car.
again every car seems different !
I have driven Old bobs car which is now in another members hands here, might be worth a drive in that car brake wise see if you like that option of just the Gyro 340MM disks upgrade, My self I would go for the 996 GT3 calipers, NOT the gt3 MC , but the inbetween one for the PCCB system, a new brake booster as there seems to be a lot of parts numbers for that, on Brembo 350mm 2 piece disks. And If I felt rich Endless mx72 plus pads.
Guard diff, as noted.
OZ wheels or oem Spyers on a Black ed car if you can find one.
shocks are personal choice, Ohlins, KW, I have always wanted to try JRZ myself.
Cargraphic complete exhaust with Cobb tune for about 370BHp.
Recaro Poles the Carbon ones ;-) with BBI recaro mounting hardware.
Braile battery.
Cup, or RSS LCA and toe links.
the R rear ARB.
Fix cables so you don't have a repeat issue.
Some sort of short shift
few other trinkets
I did have a build sheet once, just looked and it , comes to £32k ( inc 5k on brakes)on a base car of 25k so £57k all in ,a bit pricey now I see why I have not done it !
but still cheaper than buying a 2010 gen 2 997 I guess.
I spent about £8k on the Spyder but it already had the PCCB set up, and light wheels, runs about 350BHP and 1250kg,
next would be shocks if I did anything, then I could get the weight lower as 1250kg is the limit on oem sus I think.
As do the Endless pads ! ! The BBi kit is nice, but pricey, but I wouldn't want sliders and I'm pretty sure you have to buy the whole kit as they won't supply the floor adaptors without all the other kit. Having done my own mounts for the Sparcos in the 1M, I'd do the same with the Cayman, and there's other companies out there that do decent (and cheaper floor) adaptors for the Cayman which could be adapted nicely.The brakes are an interesting one. I'm mystified as to why some cars have more solid pedals than others, but also your comments about air being present in the system even after bleeding. which tends to indicate there's an issue with the pipe runs or air getting trapped in the calipers themselves.
Those that fitted the Brembo caliper/disc upgrades say it solves the poor pedal problem. Period. Which makes me wonder if the calipers are flexing and there's some pad knockoff happening. Either way the floating discs should help the issue. But I'd want my brake spend to be way less than £5K.
The GT3 calipers are hugely expensive, a set came up on 911uk last week, but they were £1200 iirc, add in the uprights/bearings, discs and the huge pads, and you're looking at a sizeable bill, and as I said, add in a rear disc upgrade too and you'll be looking at close to £5k all in.
If my intended large diameter disc/spacer/standard caliper conversion doesn't work, it won't have cost a lot and I'll go with the PCCB/997 S uprights, big discs and the Mk1 996 GT3/997 S 4 pot route (the pads are at least 20-25% bigger)
997 GT3 RS short shift, Numeric cables.
Exhaust, Jens like the MM system he has made for him, and it's is cheaper than the Cargraphic system (though the CG long tube manifolds do look good) I like the fact the MM system looks like it utilises the OE silencer pressings.
Braille battery ? Is it up to starting a car that's been left for weeks without a conditioner on it ?
The H&R (or Eibach) ARB kits seem to get good reviews and would give some adjustability too,
I've got contacts at Ohlins and obviously have previous experience with their agents having had to build the 3 way adjustables for the GT3 on three occasions..... Call me blinkered, but I wouldn't choose/use anything else.
All the above will be done in stages, so the complete project could, and most likely will be undertaken over a 2-3 year timespan.
As long as it comes in at least £25k beneath a GT4, I'll be a happy bunny.
HokumPokum said:
composite rear hatch. Saves quite a bit of weight up high + investigation into sound deadening removal.
I do think that you do not need upgraded calipers if you are not tracking. better pads, better lines and an upgraded master cylinder should give you a hard enough pedal. on the shifter, I can't remember but there is another brand that is highly recommended but they all work best on cup cables.
Also think good shocks are all you need. monoballs are good except when they become stuck then the noise is unbearable.....
I wouldn't overdo it, caymans are such great cars out of the box.
The bottom line is, there's a huge amount of truth in this statement but..... it doesn't stop me wanting to make something truly special out of what is a clearly a very good product straight out of the box.I do think that you do not need upgraded calipers if you are not tracking. better pads, better lines and an upgraded master cylinder should give you a hard enough pedal. on the shifter, I can't remember but there is another brand that is highly recommended but they all work best on cup cables.
Also think good shocks are all you need. monoballs are good except when they become stuck then the noise is unbearable.....
I wouldn't overdo it, caymans are such great cars out of the box.
Whilst I loved my time behind the wheel of the various 964/993 RS's and GT3's and 2's, my favorite car was "my" Manthey'ed Mk1 996 GT3.
When I bought it, it had six pots, shot Alcons, shot RS29's, Cup 1's, Manthey V3 KW's, billet gear shift and the Manthey K400 engine upgrade.
That package was pretty close to all you needed for a fast road car, but the addition of Cup rear toe links, the Ohlins 3 way adjustable dampers, new Alcons front and rear and some other small tweeks turned it into something genuinely special, but also something that suited my driving style in a very personal way.
In the last ten years I can't think of any car I've owned that made me want to drive it all through the night just for the sheer enjoyment of doing so, yet that's precisely what I did with the Manthey GT3. Thundering through villages at "naughty" speeds at 4am in the morning with the windows down :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3J8HeIfJwc
and the sun just rising, is something that will stay with me forever. By 6am I was completely knackered and had to stop for a brief nap
I finally got home at midday, the car looking very battle weary and plastered in dead flies etc.
Do I feel sufficiently motivated to do an all-nighter in the Cayman R as it is ? The blunt answer is no, I wouldn't. But suitably modded and given a harder edge, I think I most definitely would
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Don't know how I didn't notice this thread earlier 
Well, let's think about that one Rich. My guess is,you may have been rather busy with "other stuff"..... CarreraLightweightRacing said:
And to bring this thread back from behind the bike sheds
Harsh.... but oh so fair.
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Great to read that H is actually taking on a project of this nature; it restores faith that there are people out there buying into this brand for the right reasons
Well let's not get too carried away, as before any of the dull, unimportant stuff
I'm having passenger compartment storage nets retrofitted (with contrast stitching, obviously) Then I'm going to ensure I have full ipod connectivity before removing the Cayman badge off the engine compartment cover, deciding I actually quite liked it, and then having to work out the best way to refit it without a jig. CarreraLightweightRacing said:
I'll support you all the way Henry
Is that technical/engineering support ? or support of a counselling nature ? (I'll need both in spades, just need to work out who's being tasked with what) CarreraLightweightRacing said:
And wish you all the best in achieving exactly what YOU want from this project.
As a fellow "sufferer", your input will be willingly received Rich. CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Defying convention and known norms doesn't always lead to disaster; sometimes, just sometimes, being brave and trying something different maketh the man car.
You've omitted the bit about it being an almost surefire route to financial ruin too Rich. CarreraLightweightRacing said:
I like your thinking and using such a great base car should yield a return to the sleepless nights you so desire
Insomnia rocks ! ! 
However old age doesn't I think I'd have to pack a duvet and Thermos of Cadbury's hot chocolate before doing an all-nighter these days Aurok ? A sad tale, of which I won't go in to too much detail. Apparently the proprietor was a genius when it came to suspension and damping, very much along the same lines as the founder of ExeTC dampers.
Regrettably, as I understand it, he now has early onset Alzheimer's and his son is now running the business with his father's help.
They were my first choice to build a bespoke set of dampers for the Cayman (and may still be, if they're able and willing) failing that Mick Gardner Racing would be the other choice.
I'm surprised the Yanks haven't got to the bottom of the spongy 987 brake pedal issue. Reading some Planet 9 threads indicates the issue existed with the Gen 1 cars too ?
Those that replaced the standard calipers with Stoptech or Brembo BBK's state the issue was wholly rectified successfully. Which would tend to indicate either the calipers are at fault and air pockets are getting trapped in them (unlikely) or excessive use of the ABS is possibly causing cavitation of the brake fluid and subsequently a spongy pedal.
Perhaps the more efficient aftermarket BBK's lessen ABS intervention ?
Regrettably, as I understand it, he now has early onset Alzheimer's and his son is now running the business with his father's help.
They were my first choice to build a bespoke set of dampers for the Cayman (and may still be, if they're able and willing) failing that Mick Gardner Racing would be the other choice.
I'm surprised the Yanks haven't got to the bottom of the spongy 987 brake pedal issue. Reading some Planet 9 threads indicates the issue existed with the Gen 1 cars too ?
Those that replaced the standard calipers with Stoptech or Brembo BBK's state the issue was wholly rectified successfully. Which would tend to indicate either the calipers are at fault and air pockets are getting trapped in them (unlikely) or excessive use of the ABS is possibly causing cavitation of the brake fluid and subsequently a spongy pedal.
Perhaps the more efficient aftermarket BBK's lessen ABS intervention ?
Edited by Slippydiff on Tuesday 13th June 14:45
Rocket. said:
Slippy thanks for your email heads up, I replied . Seems Ohlins are making a bit of a mess of their R+T product for 987, they neglected to tell their suppliers that the price does not include springs, so mine arrived at GC without them... Also seems some other issues with spring platforms too, so not just Bilstein and Eibach who couldnt give a monkeys about customers!
You're very welcome Charlie, there's nothing more frustrating than booking a slot with CG months or weeks in advance, taking time off work etc, only to find the job can't be undertaken due to the lack of or incorrect parts.Hope the install goes well, will PM you to arrange meeting up once the Ohlins have been installed.
Gentlemen, (specifically David, Jeremy and bcr5784) over time I hope this thread will develop into a useful tool for those wishing to upgrade their 987 Caymans.
If/when it does I'd like those viewing it in the future not to have to trawl through pages and posts such as those witnessed over the last two pages in this thread. Accordingly I've started a new thread on the topic of brake master cylinders here :
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
In an attempt to de-clutter this thread, I'd be deeply appreciative if you'd take the time (as I have this morning to start the new thread) to delete your posts on this matter from the last couple of pages. They won't be lost as they've been C & P t into the new thread linked to above.
Many thanks for your co-operation in advance.
If/when it does I'd like those viewing it in the future not to have to trawl through pages and posts such as those witnessed over the last two pages in this thread. Accordingly I've started a new thread on the topic of brake master cylinders here :
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
In an attempt to de-clutter this thread, I'd be deeply appreciative if you'd take the time (as I have this morning to start the new thread) to delete your posts on this matter from the last couple of pages. They won't be lost as they've been C & P t into the new thread linked to above.
Many thanks for your co-operation in advance.
Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 14th June 13:14
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