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while I think the R&T will be plush and help the looks of a Cayman S (it sits too high), fitting them to the R has never been high on the list, the passive setup makes the R imo and the jiggle you get from the harder ride is fun, seat of the pants fun , plush that out and the only net result = you will need to drive it faster to get the same feeling if not losing that feeling all together, if you want to tweak the balance for track, then one needs a load more parts than just shocks as nothing is adjustable on the R, then you start to need LCA all round, toe links, then the switch to cup 2's then you need engine mounts as the G's are too much for all the rubber,bump steer kits etc etc it's never ending lol
I don't think the R is about lap times really, the GT4 has it licked in every area and is a better car in every area to get a lap time, but what the GT4 lacks is the fun aspect on UK roads at lets say circa 80mph, and that's where the R shines. Add plush parts and you might make it faster and better, but like the GT4 better is not more fun.
The 3k revs issue is a moot point as one just need to be in another gear (the correct gear), so the down sides are really geo and brakes, keep it simple.
the only other little item is a engine mount bung from function 1st, the car just feels a bit more direct when you plug the holes in the oem one, some oem ones don't have the holes though,so Porsche must have changed the design at some point in production.
Can also help gear change.
great little mod though, again I have it on my Spyder.
they also have a newish gear change kit which looks great, but I have not tried that.
"cheap plastic bushings and pivot connections utilized in the shifter assembly. Because these bushings require loose tolerances and free play to not bind, they generate sloppy shifter feel. Moreover, their plastic and rubber construction flexes excessively which causes spongy gear engagement, especially on cars that have accumulated wear and tear over the years.
The SHIFT-RIGHT Solution replaces these plastic bushings with ball bearings, eliminating the flex and excess play that normally plagues the stock setup. As a result, shifter feel is sharpened and gears engage with certainty."
I must add every thing I ever post is from what I want/need from a car, it's not fact or what other people should buy ;-) just making that clear lol :-p
I don't think the R is about lap times really, the GT4 has it licked in every area and is a better car in every area to get a lap time, but what the GT4 lacks is the fun aspect on UK roads at lets say circa 80mph, and that's where the R shines. Add plush parts and you might make it faster and better, but like the GT4 better is not more fun.
The 3k revs issue is a moot point as one just need to be in another gear (the correct gear), so the down sides are really geo and brakes, keep it simple.
the only other little item is a engine mount bung from function 1st, the car just feels a bit more direct when you plug the holes in the oem one, some oem ones don't have the holes though,so Porsche must have changed the design at some point in production.
Can also help gear change.
great little mod though, again I have it on my Spyder.
they also have a newish gear change kit which looks great, but I have not tried that.
"cheap plastic bushings and pivot connections utilized in the shifter assembly. Because these bushings require loose tolerances and free play to not bind, they generate sloppy shifter feel. Moreover, their plastic and rubber construction flexes excessively which causes spongy gear engagement, especially on cars that have accumulated wear and tear over the years.
The SHIFT-RIGHT Solution replaces these plastic bushings with ball bearings, eliminating the flex and excess play that normally plagues the stock setup. As a result, shifter feel is sharpened and gears engage with certainty."
I must add every thing I ever post is from what I want/need from a car, it's not fact or what other people should buy ;-) just making that clear lol :-p
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 12th May 16:13
The car looks very nice in gaurds Henry. It will be interesting to hear your views as the miles grow.
The brakes are a bit of an oddball and tbh its hard to believe that with 318mm diameter discs there is a lack of braking power and a poor pedal. That is until I looked at the piston sizes which really are surprisingly small at 40/36 front 28/30 rear. For comparison that is identical to the sizes used on the standard 964 with 298mm discs, and a lot less powerfull than were fitted to the 964RS 40/36 Front and 34/30 rear.
The brakes are a bit of an oddball and tbh its hard to believe that with 318mm diameter discs there is a lack of braking power and a poor pedal. That is until I looked at the piston sizes which really are surprisingly small at 40/36 front 28/30 rear. For comparison that is identical to the sizes used on the standard 964 with 298mm discs, and a lot less powerfull than were fitted to the 964RS 40/36 Front and 34/30 rear.
Slippydiff said:
Well let's just say building houses ain't cheap, and leave it that .... 
really don't want to depress you guys but in Japan, they tend to build their houses around their much loved air-cooled 993's 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/b/d7455f3f-9...
boxsey said:
Love it! 
...but have to say that the Mrs in that pic doesn't look quite as besotted with the new addition.
Yup, but their housing is quite different than U.K. ..much more disposable. So they tend to be a bit more adventurous when it's come to design/build ...but have to say that the Mrs in that pic doesn't look quite as besotted with the new addition.
http://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-are-japanese-h...
But yeah, let's not get sidetracked!!
"The 3k revs issue is a moot point as one just need to be in another gear (the correct gear)"
So I've clearly been driving incorrectly all these years... I'm thinking more like a remap/air intake/ plenum etc. to make it feel a bit sharper throughout and iron out the flat spot, I just think it's a shame Porsche didn't do it, in otherwise nice engine it stands out, on my car at least.
So I've clearly been driving incorrectly all these years... I'm thinking more like a remap/air intake/ plenum etc. to make it feel a bit sharper throughout and iron out the flat spot, I just think it's a shame Porsche didn't do it, in otherwise nice engine it stands out, on my car at least.
Another option to cure the braking issue is the Brembo GT kit. This comes with everything you need. 355mm discs on floating bells, new calipers and braided lines. No need for different uprights. I'm running this on my very heavily modded Gen1 Cayman S (3.7l w.370bhp - the Autofarm development Cayman "RS") together with 996 GT3 rear discs and calipers. The rears needed a special hub spacer to be made in order to correct the offset on the discs. I suspect this is overkill, but as it was done by a previous owner of the car I have no point of comparison.
This is teamed up with the 997 GT3 MC and RS29s and the car will stand on its nose all day long on track, with tyre grip becoming the limiting factor.
Not sure how the costs stand up versus other options mentioned, but it's completely "plug and play".
This is teamed up with the 997 GT3 MC and RS29s and the car will stand on its nose all day long on track, with tyre grip becoming the limiting factor.
Not sure how the costs stand up versus other options mentioned, but it's completely "plug and play".
ras62 said:
The car looks very nice in gaurds Henry. It will be interesting to hear your views as the miles grow.
The brakes are a bit of an oddball and tbh its hard to believe that with 318mm diameter discs there is a lack of braking power and a poor pedal. That is until I looked at the piston sizes which really are surprisingly small at 40/36 front 28/30 rear. For comparison that is identical to the sizes used on the standard 964 with 298mm discs, and a lot less powerfull than were fitted to the 964RS 40/36 Front and 34/30 rear.
I'll update as the relationship matures The brakes are a bit of an oddball and tbh its hard to believe that with 318mm diameter discs there is a lack of braking power and a poor pedal. That is until I looked at the piston sizes which really are surprisingly small at 40/36 front 28/30 rear. For comparison that is identical to the sizes used on the standard 964 with 298mm discs, and a lot less powerfull than were fitted to the 964RS 40/36 Front and 34/30 rear.
The brakes are a strange one, clearly the GT3 master cylinder improves things, but one wonders about the servo and more specifically what the booster ratio is from foot pressure to line pressure.
Many years ago two gentleman (Richard Lloyd (now deceased) and Brian Ricketts (sadly now too deceased having Googled him) formed GTi Engineering at Silverstone. If you wanted you Mk1 Golf GTi tweaked (they did a 2.0 RLR engine conversion that produced 150hp) this was where you headed.
Brian and Richard went their separate ways and Brian set up BR Motorsport in Leamington Spa. One of the first things he developed was a servo upgrade for the Mk1 GTi. Those of you that have driven or owned a Mk1 Gti will know how parlous the brakes were on them ! An explanation is given here :
http://www.retrorims.co.uk/vw-blog/vw-brakes
Brian found a servo that would fit the existing (and hopeless) crossover linkage but provided far more servo assistance for the same pedal pressure. One wonders if Porsche got the 987 Cayman/Boxster servo calculations a bit wrong. I seem to recall reading on Planet 9 or Rennlist that the GT3 master cylinder swap is highly regarded across the pond, so it's safe to assume the "problem" afflicts both left and right hand drive cars.
Jamie Summers said:
Another option to cure the braking issue is the Brembo GT kit. This comes with everything you need. 355mm discs on floating bells, new calipers and braided lines. No need for different uprights. I'm running this on my very heavily modded Gen1 Cayman S (3.7l w.370bhp - the Autofarm development Cayman "RS") together with 996 GT3 rear discs and calipers. The rears needed a special hub spacer to be made in order to correct the offset on the discs. I suspect this is overkill, but as it was done by a previous owner of the car I have no point of comparison.
This is teamed up with the 997 GT3 MC and RS29s and the car will stand on its nose all day long on track, with tyre grip becoming the limiting factor.
Not sure how the costs stand up versus other options mentioned, but it's completely "plug and play".
The Brembo kits are very good, but they're over £3k ...... hence why there's a good market for increased diameter discs which retain the standard calipers and the GT3 master cylinder mod . This is teamed up with the 997 GT3 MC and RS29s and the car will stand on its nose all day long on track, with tyre grip becoming the limiting factor.
Not sure how the costs stand up versus other options mentioned, but it's completely "plug and play".
Porsche911R said:
the only other little item is a engine mount bung from function 1st, the car just feels a bit more direct when you plug the holes in the oem one, some oem ones don't have the holes though,so Porsche must have changed the design at some point in production.
Can also help gear change.
great little mod though, again I have it on my Spyder.
they also have a newish gear change kit which looks great, but I have not tried that.
"cheap plastic bushings and pivot connections utilized in the shifter assembly. Because these bushings require loose tolerances and free play to not bind, they generate sloppy shifter feel. Moreover, their plastic and rubber construction flexes excessively which causes spongy gear engagement, especially on cars that have accumulated wear and tear over the years.
The SHIFT-RIGHT Solution replaces these plastic bushings with ball bearings, eliminating the flex and excess play that normally plagues the stock setup. As a result, shifter feel is sharpened and gears engage with certainty."
The Yanks produce some clever, well thought out and executed parts for european cars that are sensibly priced, the engine and transmission mount inserts fall into that category.Can also help gear change.
great little mod though, again I have it on my Spyder.
they also have a newish gear change kit which looks great, but I have not tried that.
"cheap plastic bushings and pivot connections utilized in the shifter assembly. Because these bushings require loose tolerances and free play to not bind, they generate sloppy shifter feel. Moreover, their plastic and rubber construction flexes excessively which causes spongy gear engagement, especially on cars that have accumulated wear and tear over the years.
The SHIFT-RIGHT Solution replaces these plastic bushings with ball bearings, eliminating the flex and excess play that normally plagues the stock setup. As a result, shifter feel is sharpened and gears engage with certainty."
The kit to upgrade the shift assembly ? well that would belong in here imo :
Did Jeremy try the 997 GT3 RS metal bushed shift assembly or a kit like the one linked to ? I've tried a car with the RS shifter and thought it was spot on.
There's another alternative that I've banged on about for ages, it's fiercesomely expensive, but superb....
Slippydiff said:
I'll update as the relationship matures
The brakes are a strange one, clearly the GT3 master cylinder improves things, but one wonders about the servo and more specifically what the booster ratio is from foot pressure to line pressure.
Many years ago two gentleman (Richard Lloyd (now deceased) and Brian Ricketts (sadly now too deceased having Googled him) formed GTi Engineering at Silverstone. If you wanted you Mk1 Golf GTi tweaked (they did a 2.0 RLR engine conversion that produced 150hp) this was where you headed.
Brian and Richard went their separate ways and Brian set up BR Motorsport in Leamington Spa. One of the first things he developed was a servo upgrade for the Mk1 GTi. Those of you that have driven or owned a Mk1 Gti will know how parlous the brakes were on them ! An explanation is given here :
http://www.retrorims.co.uk/vw-blog/vw-brakes
Brian found a servo that would fit the existing (and hopeless) crossover linkage but provided far more servo assistance for the same pedal pressure. One wonders if Porsche got the 987 Cayman/Boxster servo calculations a bit wrong. I seem to recall reading on Planet 9 or Rennlist that the GT3 master cylinder swap is highly regarded across the pond, so it's safe to assume the "problem" afflicts both left and right hand drive cars.
Ah Golf GTI brakes. Happy memories of my 190bhp mk2 and it's TSR big brakes kit iirc. Awesome little car. A freind of mine is rebuiling a Mk1 GTI Campaign atm.The brakes are a strange one, clearly the GT3 master cylinder improves things, but one wonders about the servo and more specifically what the booster ratio is from foot pressure to line pressure.
Many years ago two gentleman (Richard Lloyd (now deceased) and Brian Ricketts (sadly now too deceased having Googled him) formed GTi Engineering at Silverstone. If you wanted you Mk1 Golf GTi tweaked (they did a 2.0 RLR engine conversion that produced 150hp) this was where you headed.
Brian and Richard went their separate ways and Brian set up BR Motorsport in Leamington Spa. One of the first things he developed was a servo upgrade for the Mk1 GTi. Those of you that have driven or owned a Mk1 Gti will know how parlous the brakes were on them ! An explanation is given here :
http://www.retrorims.co.uk/vw-blog/vw-brakes
Brian found a servo that would fit the existing (and hopeless) crossover linkage but provided far more servo assistance for the same pedal pressure. One wonders if Porsche got the 987 Cayman/Boxster servo calculations a bit wrong. I seem to recall reading on Planet 9 or Rennlist that the GT3 master cylinder swap is highly regarded across the pond, so it's safe to assume the "problem" afflicts both left and right hand drive cars.
I would take a guess the brake feel issue with the newer Porsches is due largely to the tandem servos being used. More assistance keeping drivers new to the badge happy as they jump out of Audi and BMW while keeping the servo small enough to be packaged in a small space.
Edited by ras62 on Friday 12th May 19:12
Also note that the brakes suffer less with PSM off. At Oulton we checked the temperature of the rear discs after each session, mine were considerably lower (by about 40 degrees IIRC) than Kevin's who kept his PSM on.
And don't forget to add GT3 ducts to the front...mind you they're quite expensive at about £8 each!
And don't forget to add GT3 ducts to the front...mind you they're quite expensive at about £8 each!
md4776 said:
Lovely looking car. I just bought the black gen 1 2.7 from RPM specialists that's still showing on the website. Great guys to deal with.
My first Porsche, first decent car ever really.
Apologies, I missed this. Congratulations ! ! I hope you enjoy it (and Porsche ownership in general) My first Porsche, first decent car ever really.
Slippydiff said:
The Brembo kits are very good, but they're over £3k ...... hence why there's a good market for increased diameter discs which retain the standard calipers and the GT3 master cylinder mod .
Oh the Brembo GTR kit both looks awesome and is allegedly brilliant but it's big bucks like at least £5k if not more. I've been tempted on a few occasions and may do it when I eventually need new discs but I've found that GT3 MC, braided hose, Castrol SRF and decent pads are good enough to be honest. Nice feel, enough retardation and good platform for h&t. With MPSC2 tyres, it's a bit of a weapon!Post a pic of the house, I'm sure it was worth the sacrifice
I feel your pain, I'm 10 months into a self build, the stark reality for me will be to eventually end up with a small mortgage, (somewhere around £40k maybe) or sell the V12V, I'm in danger of finally having my dream garage but it could be empty...lol
I feel your pain, I'm 10 months into a self build, the stark reality for me will be to eventually end up with a small mortgage, (somewhere around £40k maybe) or sell the V12V, I'm in danger of finally having my dream garage but it could be empty...lol
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