U turn if you want to, Slippy's not for turning .....

[Slippydiff]

EGTE said:

Nice car, Slippy.

You are of course dead to us 911 zombies :-)

That's a given

What do they say ? You can please some of the people all of the time, and you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please the 911 owners on PH AND the Cayman R owners on PH .......

Desert Dragon said:

He'll soon be telling us they driver better than 911s

5 hrs in the seat (lowering brackets have done the trick, no back ache now) around the Cotswolds this afternoon/evening (just got in)
It's good, it's bloody good. It really has no right being so quick for what it cost.

Phooey said:

He'll soon be buying a 987 Spyder and GT4 too

No he won't .... GT4 too easy (I suspect) Spyder ? Too girly ........

R with big brakes, TTX's and some other tweeks about all you'll need for UK roads .....

Edit to add images


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Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 13th May 22:59

[Slippydiff]

Redarress said:

There will be a new 6 pot aftermarket caliper rotor and pad kit coming to the market soon. If you let me have the hole centres you require I will see if we can make the caliper design suit

Hi, sounds good, here you go :

997 (non S), 987 Boxster/Cayman use a 130mm front caliper spacing.

997S/997 Turbo, 996 GT3 Mk 1/Mk2, Turbo/GT2 all use a 142mm caliper spacing. Hence why the adaptors for the 987 130mm uprights to accept the 6 pot caliper with 142mm spacing isn't a straightforward (or indeed nice solution from an engineering perspective) .......

Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 13th May 22:36

[Desert Dragon]

Slippydiff said:

Desert Dragon said:

He'll soon be telling us they driver better than 911s

5 hrs in the seat (lowering brackets have done the trick, no back ache now) around the Cotswolds this afternoon/evening (just got in)
It's good, it's bloody good. It really has no right being so quick for what it cost.





Slippydiff

Looks so so good in red. Has to be one of the best road cars ever. Well done acquiring it. If you're ever down saf would love to have a look around. Lucky devil

[Klippie]

Very nice, and a classic Porsche colour is the cream on top...a question for you though would you chop it in for a GT4 at some point.

[Slippydiff]

woollyjoe said:

thought it's worth mentioning that Alcantara cleans up as new. wonder material in that regard.

Interesting. I cleaned the alcantara wheel on my M3 CSL and initially the results looked good, however it quickly matted up and looked/felt horrible again.

Truth be known I wear a pair of thin old thermal gloves when I drive the Cayman, firstly because I'm not that keen on the feel of what I find to be an overly hard/alcantara wheel rim, but also 'cos I don't want the freshly covered wheel to go manky.

[Slippydiff]

Klippie said:

Very nice, and a classic Porsche colour is the cream on top...a question for you though would you chop it in for a GT4 at some point.

Thank you
If I were a track day addict, I'd say yes, I'd probably look to get into a GT4 at some point in the future. I mean who could resist one when they look this good :



but whilst they look good, they're a bit OTT for the road (looks wise) and plenty on here have commented they're a bit too accomplished as a fast road car.

At the thick end of £90k you're into Gen 1 997 GT3 territory, and I think they're probably a more entertaining drive (though I still think too accomplished as a road car) better value for money, and a better long term investment.

But as David says, one of the major benefits of the 987 Cayman is its size, it's tiny ! ! And whilst not as slim hipped as a 964/993, it makes a welcome change to drive something that genuinely feels (and is) so compact.

I also tend to agree with his comments regarding the standard ride quality, that being it's good, but it's no magic carpet ride over bumpier roads.
That's good in that it conveys a genuine sense of speed to keep you in check, but it can get a bit too lairy when really pushing on over less than billiard table smooth roads.

The Cayman ticks a large amount of boxes for me currently (the majority in fact) but ultimately I'd want to upgrade it, and if/when that bug bites, I'll most likely sell it and buy a Gen 2 S and mod that instead.
But I can see the R staying in the fold for another 12-18 months yet

I'm reaching a point in my life whereby I'd like to buy a car and keep it. Forever.

Previously I'd have said that would've been one of the numerous GT3's, 964RS's, GT2's I've owned, but as values continue to rise, I'd prefer to start with something that's not stupidly expensive, and thus something I'll not be (or become) precious about.

[Taffy66]

I really like the silver pinstripe between the rims and tyres...it eradicates the main criticism of specifying black wheels and wish it was available on the new GT3

[AML]

Great taste there- had to check mine was still in the garage!
Hope you have a lot of fun with it.

[Slippydiff]

AML said:

Great taste there- had to check mine was still in the garage!
Hope you have a lot of fun with it.

Achilles tendon all sorted now hopefully ?

[AML]

On the mend thankyou.
Still some way off a return to tennis, but the Cayman being well and truly exercised which is more than a little recompense.

[ChrisW.]

Gottcha

It looks great (even if I prefer Speed Yellow) ...

As an aside, I have a pair of brand new 964RS front callipers ... and a pair of new 993RS front discs, pads and wear sensors (don't ask !!!)

I have no idea if they would be of any use but ...

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I think he means over other brands also like the R8 at 1940, which I always look at and think that's a big boy and the new wave of RS cars.
Or I do when I talk about it being small, as I have been close to buying an R8 v10 plus many times, but It would not fit down the roads I hoon on, not when a SUV is coming the other way.

a new GT3 is 1852, a 4c is 1864 !!! crazy ! even a Lotus Exige is wider than a 987 these days. Ferrari 488 1950

so yes a 997 could be classed as compact really.

[ras62]

Width is imo where the older cars win handsdown on typical UK roads. Anything post 996 restrict the window of how the car is driven on a demanding road (especially an unfamiliar road) as accuracy becomes more critical and lines become restricted which reduces the fun factor dramatically. New cars are just too damned big. Great in a limo. The devils work for a car with driver entertainment in mind.

[bcr5784]

ras62 said:

Width is imo where the older cars win handsdown on typical UK roads. Anything post 996 restrict the window of how the car is driven on a demanding road (especially an unfamiliar road) as accuracy becomes more critical and lines become restricted which reduces the fun factor dramatically. New cars are just too damned big. Great in a limo. The devils work for a car with driver entertainment in mind.

Absolutely - this picture says it all.


There must be a market for something narrow other than a Caterham.

[Porsche911R]

bcr5784 said:

Absolutely - this picture says it all.
There must be a market for something narrow other than a Caterham.

The Elise sprint is a very nice car now imo

Lotus have nailed it, and at last gone back to a bit less weight

[bcr5784]

Porsche911R said:

The Elise sprint is a very nice car now imo

Lotus have nailed it, and at last gone back to a bit less weight

I like the Elise, and usefully narrower, but not really practical enough for a DD/holiday car. Hopefully its forthcoming replacement will address those issues without getting bloated. I think they missed a trick with the Alpine A110 - given the narrower tyres it could have been slimmer than the Cayman, but unfortunately isn't.

[Redarress]

Slippydiff said:

Hi, sounds good, here you go :

997 (non S), 987 Boxster/Cayman use a 130mm front caliper spacing.

997S/997 Turbo, 996 GT3 Mk 1/Mk2, Turbo/GT2 all use a 142mm caliper spacing. Hence why the adaptors for the 987 130mm uprights to accept the 6 pot caliper with 142mm spacing isn't a straightforward (or indeed nice solution from an engineering perspective) .......

Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 13th May 22:36

Got my guys to check the CAD models today and this should work probably six months to market at the moment so not an instant fix unfortunately

[Slippydiff]

Update/Upgrade.

Phase 1 begins here :

As previously mentioned, there were a couple of issues with the car when I collected it off RPM at Knaresborough. Nick and the lads have been excellent in sorting them.

First up was the corroded inner faces of the front discs.






I've seen worse, but as most R owners on here, Rennlist etc have reported, the standard Cayman brakes aren't brilliant (or more specifically the pedal feel/travel is less than ideal) and clearly the corrosion on the inner faces of the front discs wasn't going to be improving matters. A quick chat with Nick at RPM saw a pair of new front discs, pads and wear sensors winging their way to me at no charge. Thankyou to RPM. Top quality service gentlemen

These were duly fitted today :



The discs are Sebro and the pads Textar.

Fortunately the caliper securing bolts weren't seized due to the oft seen galvanic corrosion (even though it looked as if the calipers hadn't been unbolted before) and thus they didn't tear the threads out of the uprights when removed, when/if this happens it turns what should be a simple job into a complete 'mare,

With the front discs and pads replaced, the rear brake disc drillings were cleared of residual brake dust using a drill, and then gently countersunk again. The rear discs are worn, but will still be good for many more miles.

Many R owners have replaced the standard master cylinder with the larger 27mm bore item off the 997 GT3 to improve pedal travel. Never one to miss the opportunity to address issues "whilst you're in there" as it were, on went the GT3 item. A nice straightforward easily accessed job :





As the brakes are rather small and possibly borderline in their ability to manage heat, I thought it best to use a fluid that will easily withstand what may be elevated temperatures, so the system was purged and refilled with this :



http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/Product.do?method=vi...

Filling and proper bleeding took some 2.5 litres of the stuff.....

The pedal is now rock solid with minimal travel. Clearly the new pads/discs will need to bedded in gently over the next 200 miles or so, and once that's done the pedal will firm up further and there'll most likely be a reduction in travel too.
My initial thoughts are the pedal is very good and far, far superior to the mushy hopelessness that existed previously.

Now I have a pair of used but intact front discs, reverse engineering the bells for the considerably larger diameter floating discs and caliper spacers can begin

Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 31st May 20:41

[TheRocket]

Nice to see a dealer helping out on the brakes. GT3 MC is a great little upgrade for brake feel, I haven't changed the fluid yet and never heard of that brand, was thinking Castrol SRF or is this a better option ?

I have a throttle Sprint Booster on it's way to try and remove some of the dead pedal (no sports chrono on mine) I've read positive things about them but it has 30 day return policy if no good. Ohlins and Elephant racing adjustable top front camber plates will be going on in one month, for now will stick with standard ARB's and see how it goes...

[Slippydiff]

TheRocket said:

Nice to see a dealer helping out on the brakes. GT3 MC is a great little upgrade for brake feel, I haven't changed the fluid yet and never heard of that brand, was thinking Castrol SRF or is this a better option ?

I have a throttle Sprint Booster on it's way to try and remove some of the dead pedal (no sports chrono on mine) I've read positive things about them but it has 30 day return policy if no good. Ohlins and Elephant racing adjustable top front camber plates will be going on in one month, for now will stick with standard ARB's and see how it goes...

The Endless fluid has a slightly higher dry boiling point than the SRF, but a lower wet boiling point.

Throttle Sprint Booster ? I'm a sceptic I'm afraid
Do please keep me up to speed with your Ohlins installation at CG.