U turn if you want to, Slippy's not for turning .....

[Steve Rance]

Smart move on the R. If I were looking to buy a pure driving tool right now with a porsche badge on it, i'd either put my money here or with a 996 GT3. Everything else is probably out of reach to sensibly justify as a hooner.

Good luck with the project

[boxsey]

People, get your Cayman Rs soon as demand will likely be going up now that they've got Slippy's approval.

[Porsche911R]

boxsey said:

People, get your Cayman Rs soon as demand will likely be going up now that they've got Slippy's approval.

It took a while, but every one comes round to one after spending time in them esp after driving a 981 or 991, the R just feels a good honest drive.

I am still in two minds on keeping mine or selling as I have too many cars atm.

[Desert Dragon]

Steve Rance said:

i'd either put my money here or with a 996 GT3.

Interesting thought. I love both of these but they seem very expensive to me? What do you think of asking prices for these two lovely GT3s Mr Rance?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[Slippydiff]

Desert Dragon said:

Steve Rance said:

i'd either put my money here or with a 996 GT3.

Interesting thought. I love both of these but they seem very expensive to me? What do you think of asking prices for these two lovely GT3s Mr Rance?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Silver car at 911V sensibly priced, nice to have Clubsport spec. Colour weak.

Yellow car looks stunning in Speed, but is overpriced (you're well into nice Gen 1 997 GT3 territory at this price point) unless you specifically want a garage queen Mk 2 996 GT3. A Gen 1 997 GT3 makes a better road car, though less tactile and engaging than the earlier iteration.

As Mr D says, Cayman R is a "relative bargain" when viewed alongside cars such as the GT3's linked to. Residuals seem strong for the "right" spec Cayman R's) though I have to say if a manual with Spyder wheels, bi-xenons, in a strong colour came up without carbon buckets (at price that reflected the lack of their fitment) I'd buy it and fit a set of nicely trimmed Pole Positions, as whilst the folding carbon buckets look stunning, they're mounted far too high and don't suit my ageing spine....

Time will tell whether the market views the Cayman R as something genuinely special, or as just another parts bin special with some pretty decals.

Mk 1 & 2 996 GT3's haven't taken off as I expected them to, but they are a VERY niche product which appeals to and is appreciated by only a select few. Ditto 996 GT2, but to an even greater degree.

I drove a 981 S "Unicorn" spec at Bristol OPC last Nov. It was a lovely car, but "special" as a weekend toy ? Not really, just too nice and rounded to drive in that capacity. 987 Cayman R far more raw and it's cabin more intimate.

If an R seems lacking in value, a sensible miles Gen 2 987 Cayman S would be where my money would go.

Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 1st June 14:34

[Desert Dragon]

Slippydiff said:

Desert Dragon said:

Steve Rance said:

i'd either put my money here or with a 996 GT3.

Interesting thought. I love both of these but they seem very expensive to me? What do you think of asking prices for these two lovely GT3s Mr Rance?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Silver car at 911V sensibly priced, nice to have Clubsport spec. Colour weak.

Yellow car looks stunning in Speed, but is overpriced (you're well into nice Gen 1 997 GT3 territory at this price point) unless you specifically want a garage queen Mk 2 996 GT3. A Gen 1 997 GT3 makes a better road car, though less tactile and engaging than the earlier iteration.

As Mr D says, Cayman R is a "relative bargain" when viewed alongside cars such as the GT3's linked to. Residuals seem strong for the "right" spec Cayman R's) though I have to say if a manual with Spyder wheels, bi-xenons, in a strong colour came up without carbon buckets (at price that reflected the lack of their fitment) I'd buy it and fit a set of nicely trimmed Pole Positions, as whilst the folding carbon buckets look stunning, they're mounted far too high and don't suit my ageing spine....

Time will tell whether the market views the Cayman R as something genuinely special, or as just another parts bin special with some pretty decals.

Mk 1 & 2 996 GT3's haven't taken off as I expected them to, but they are a VERY niche product which appeals to and is appreciated by only a select few. Ditto 996 GT2, but to an even greater degree.

I drove a 981 S "Unicorn" spec at Bristol OPC last Nov. It was a lovely car, but "special" as a weekend toy ? Not really, just too nice and rounded to drive in that capacity. 987 Cayman R far more raw and it's cabin more intimate.

If an R seems lacking in value, a sensible miles Gen 2 987 Cayman S would be where my money would go.

Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 1st June 14:34

I think a track specced R is as cheap as chips at the mo. When I say 'both" i mean both the above GT3s. On price if you look at the 911 Virgin clubby the front PU and rear decklid are a completely different silver. I'd expect better on a £70,000 car TBH. Also those 51,000 miles have been put on by a track rat no doubt otherwise whats the point of having a clubby? It will need a gearbox and or engine refresh in the next few years. Not so cheap when you look at it like this.

The yellow car is a gem condition wise but £90k is nuts. I'd buy her for £75k tomorrow and I'd say that would be top money for it in my view. Love yellow. They're certainly not cheap GT3 at the mo.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Interesting thread H, made even more so by the civility of the posters.

It's even encouraged me to post in the Porsche section again

[ChrisW.]

I still prefer my GT4 ...

For me, it's truly mega ... the CR was good but this, is I am sure far better than Porsche expected it to be.

Maybe the GT4RS will play catch-up ??

Edited by ChrisW. on Friday 2nd June 23:01

[Slippydiff]

ChrisW. said:

I still prefer my GT4 ...

For me, it's truly mega ... the CR was good but this, is I am sure far better than Porsche expected it to be.

Maybe the GT4RS will play catch-up ??

Edited by ChrisW. on Friday 2nd June 23:01

It's a fantastic piece of kit Chris, but worth twice the value of the CR as a road only use car ? I'm really not so sure.
How are those ST discs shaping up ? I reckon my new 318mm front discs are about the same size as the bells on those ST's ...

[Desert Dragon]

Slippydiff said:

The discs are Sebro and the pads Textar.

Are Sebro OEM?

[ChrisW.]

For road use I completely agree ... of course the other way of looking at it is that the GT4 is half the price of a GT3RS ??

ST discs ? So far, better than PCCB's in the wet which can be a little slow to dry out, feel seems to be the same, --- and I can't get them hot enough to burn the paint off the edge of the pads !!

I'm at Spa and Zandvoort at the end of this month and I'll need to fit new tyres for that ... what do you do with your half worn sets of tyres that won't last a European hoon (even if the shoulders are now more protected) ..

[Slippydiff]

Desert Dragon said:

Are Sebro OEM?

I was dubious originally, but I did some surfing and came up with this :

https://rennlist.com/forums/964-forum/668518-sebro...

http://www.sebro.eu/products/series-and-aftersales...

Based in Germany (and not a million miles from Stuttgart,,,)

[Slippydiff]

ChrisW. said:

For road use I completely agree ... of course the other way of looking at it is that the GT4 is half the price of a GT3RS ??

ST discs ? So far, better than PCCB's in the wet which can be a little slow to dry out, feel seems to be the same, --- and I can't get them hot enough to burn the paint off the edge of the pads !!

I'm at Spa and Zandvoort at the end of this month and I'll need to fit new tyres for that ... what do you do with your half worn sets of tyres that won't last a European hoon (even if the shoulders are now more protected) ..

Simple man maths required ! ! Get a spare set of nice lightweight (Forgeline would be my choice) wheels and wear the tyres out on the road ! !
Would ST (or whoever you bought the pads off) not supply pre-bedded pads ?

[GT4P]

ChrisW. said:

For road use I completely agree ... of course the other way of looking at it is that the GT4 is half the price of a GT3RS ??
..

The Gt4 is not twice the price of a CR , a good low miles (ie less than 5k) 6 year old CR is going to cost circa £55k+ whereas a 1 year old Gt4 can be had for £85k. If we look at it another way a new a CR with good spec was £60k whereas a Gt4 was £72k so in real terms when new only £12k between them.
IMHO and my problem with the CR is if bought new it was a no brainer but is it really worth £20k secondhand over a 987.2 CS?Don't get me wrong I think the CR is a good car but not as good as the 987spyder which I can see it worth the premiums over the standard 987.2BS! Also I think the 987 spyder drives better than a CR!
As for the 991rs being worth £100k over a gt4 ( new prices were double or circa £70K) after following one and it not being able to pull more than a car length away from me up to X mph i had peaked 3rd and was almost peaking in fourth before we backed off just makes the Gt4 seem even more of a bargain no wonder Porsche restricted the gt4 engine!

[Slippydiff]

GT4P said:

The Gt4 is not twice the price of a CR , a good low miles (ie less than 5k) 6 year old CR is going to cost circa £55k+ whereas a 1 year old Gt4 can be had for £85k. If we look at it another way a new a CR with good spec was £60k whereas a Gt4 was £72k so in real terms when new only £12k between them.
IMHO and my problem with the CR is if bought new it was a no brainer but is it really worth £20k secondhand over a 987.2 CS?Don't get me wrong I think the CR is a good car but not as good as the 987spyder which I can see it worth the premiums over the standard 987.2BS! Also I think the 987 spyder drives better than a CR!
As for the 991rs being worth £100k over a gt4 ( new prices were double or circa £70K) after following one and it not being able to pull more than a car length away from me up to X mph i had peaked 3rd and was almost peaking in fourth before we backed off just makes the Gt4 seem even more of a bargain no wonder Porsche restricted the gt4 engine!

In January of this year the Cayman cost me just over £42K at 32k miles (and is what I'd term usable mileage, rather than "garage queen, only going to devalue it by using it", mileage)

By your own admission a GT4 will currently cost me £85k. That's twice the cost from my perspective.
For the sake of clarification, that may not be your perspective, nor indeed anyone else's, but it is mine

What a car cost new 5-6 years ago is of no importance to me whatsoever, likewise what the GT4 would've cost new is a moot point too, as I don't buy new cars and I'd struggle to justify paying over MRRP for any modern Porsche. And I'd certainly not perform fellatio on the DP at my local OPC to ensure I got a crack at owning the latest. greatest toy...... I appreciate this makes me a bit freak round these parts, but fortunately we're not all the same

987 Spyder ? As I said earlier in this very thread, I wouldn't be seen dead in any ragtop car

[HokumPokum]

987 spyder doesn't drive better than the CR on the road. more raw because of the tarp roof.

Both are better road cars than the Gt4 simply because the Gt4 has such high limits, but on track, it will murder/crush the CR
I think the sweet spot is the 987.1 cayman. all round uglier and iffy engine but cheap enough to mod and take a chance although the engine is quite a bit less revvy and definitely weaker stock for stock

David, lotus elise sprint or your CR?

[ajondyh]

HokumPokum said:

987 spyder doesn't drive better than the CR on the road. more raw because of the tarp roof.

Both are better road cars than the Gt4 simply because the Gt4 has such high limits, but on track, it will murder/crush the CR

Having been on track in my CR with many GT4's present I can say the GT4 is slightly quicker to due the extra power, but certainly does NOT "Murder/Crush" the CR

[isaldiri]

ajondyh said:

Having been on track in my CR with many GT4's present I can say the GT4 is slightly quicker to due the extra power, but certainly does NOT "Murder/Crush" the CR

The gt4 has considerably more grip available with usually a much more track oriented tyre and various other chassis related bits and bobs... The tyre difference alone is enough to make the gt4 a much faster car on track compared to the Cayman R if driven to approximately the same competency.

[ajondyh]

isaldiri said:

The gt4 has considerably more grip available with usually a much more track oriented tyre and various other chassis related bits and bobs... The tyre difference alone is enough to make the gt4 a much faster car on track compared to the Cayman R if driven to approximately the same competency.

My experience and observations remain unchanged

[HokumPokum]

of course the guy behind the car is the single greatest factor.
with the same driver, the Gt4 WILL MURDER the CR stock for stock.