Higher mileage 981 2.7 & 3,4
Discussion
Exactly right. The only reason for buying a manual these days is because you want one. The Porsche 6-speed is a particularly sweet change and that's why I chose it.
These cars are for driving and will easily take high mileage. As with other performance cars, what they don't like is driver abuse.
These cars are for driving and will easily take high mileage. As with other performance cars, what they don't like is driver abuse.
JayK12 said:
What are people's thoughts on a PDK with a 2.7? Does it work well? Car would be a daily round town and a weekend blaster.
It's a great engine and well suited for what you want. I was sceptical at first but absolutely love the pdk on my 2.7, and it can be worked in manual mode with more of that soundtrack accessible at more sensible speeds than the 3.4. LiamH66 said:
PDK works amazingly with anything, but have to say with the 2.7 it really shines. I'd love to say I could do a better job changing gear for myself, but the reality is that the best auto box I have ever come across works amazingly when you have the opportunity to work an engine. Haven't lived with one long term, but I reckon it would be a very easy proposition.
Liam
Have to agree - as everyone says the manual gearing - same for all models - is too long (even for the 3.8 engine!) and it's particularly so with 2.7 which obviously lacks the torque of the bigger engines and has the highest specific output of any 981 - and so needs to use the full rev range more than any other. So the lower gearing of the PDK box is obviously an advantage - as are the faster gearchanges that PDK offers, With shorter gears the 2.7 would suit a manual better, but as it is you only have 2 gears to play with at legal speeds which rather detracts from the greater interaction that many manual afficionados desire.Liam
A 2.7 PDK was (very much to my surprise) the reason I chose PDK for my car.
Well all I can say is who haven't seen the test on youtube which shows that the PDK box can't live with the manual on a race track.
The pdk will get away quicker than the manual from a standing start, but due to the 30kg disadvantage on the track the pdk can't keep up with the manual.... End of story.
Plato shows the reasons clearly on the test.
Gadgit
The pdk will get away quicker than the manual from a standing start, but due to the 30kg disadvantage on the track the pdk can't keep up with the manual.... End of story.
Plato shows the reasons clearly on the test.
Gadgit
gadgit said:
Well all I can say is who haven't seen the test on youtube which shows that the PDK box can't live with the manual on a race track.
The pdk will get away quicker than the manual from a standing start, but due to the 30kg disadvantage on the track the pdk can't keep up with the manual.... End of story.
Plato shows the reasons clearly on the test.
Gadgit
You can't be serious. No-one uses a manual box in racing when there is an option. That video is just a bit of fun.The pdk will get away quicker than the manual from a standing start, but due to the 30kg disadvantage on the track the pdk can't keep up with the manual.... End of story.
Plato shows the reasons clearly on the test.
Gadgit
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 31st July 21:38
bcr5784 said:
You can't be serious. No-one uses a manual box in racing when there is an option. That video is just a bit of fun.
If you have never raced on a track, then you just would not understand, would you.Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 31st July 21:38
As I ran an f3 car I actually know what I am talking about.
Even in most modern racing terms the gear change is still manual by pressing buttons which is not the same as an automatic gear change. Just the same in WRC, not many automatics in there is there. Its all about the wieght of the car.
30 kg is a hell of a lot to drag around in racing turms.
You just have to know how to drive a manual properly, and today, not many people can.
Its not easy to do of course.
I do understand though, that the PDK is a great box never the less.
Gadgit.
gadgit said:
If you have never raced on a track, then you just would not understand, would you.
As I ran an f3 car I actually know what I am talking about.
Even in most modern racing terms the gear change is still manual by pressing buttons which is not the same as an automatic gear change. Just the same in WRC, not many automatics in there is there. Its all about the wieght of the car.
30 kg is a hell of a lot to drag around in racing turms.
You just have to know how to drive a manual properly, and today, not many people can.
Its not easy to do of course.
I do understand though, that the PDK is a great box never the less.
Gadgit.
I do understand, my son has raced in almost everything known to man - often with me poring over the logs. He has any number of logs (he almost invariably instructs with a data logger) showing how much time is lost in a normal manual synchro box. Dog boxes as used in F3 and FF and race cars generally are a different kettle of fish because you can flat shift, or very nearly, clutchlessly (F3 cars cut the ignition briefly on upchanges as do many other race boxes). You lose at least a half second in an in plane change on a synchro box and a second cross plane. (vs about .1 of a second or less for dual clutch boxes) That is why every single dual clutch car accelerates faster than it's (lighter) manual counterpart.As I ran an f3 car I actually know what I am talking about.
Even in most modern racing terms the gear change is still manual by pressing buttons which is not the same as an automatic gear change. Just the same in WRC, not many automatics in there is there. Its all about the wieght of the car.
30 kg is a hell of a lot to drag around in racing turms.
You just have to know how to drive a manual properly, and today, not many people can.
Its not easy to do of course.
I do understand though, that the PDK is a great box never the less.
Gadgit.
That video merely demonstrates that Jason Plato is a faster track driver. Now had Jason done back to back laps himself in the two cars that might have proved something.
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 7th August 09:45
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 7th August 09:55
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 7th August 12:31
bcr5784 said:
I do understand, my son has raced in almost everything known to man - often with me poring over the logs. He has any number of logs (he almost invariably instructs with a data logger) showing how much time is lost in a normal manual synchro box. Dog boxes as used in F3 and FF and race cars generally are a different kettle of fish because you can flat shift, or very nearly, clutchlessly (F3 cars cut the ignition briefly on upchanges as do many other race boxes). You lose at least a half second in an in plane change on a synchro box and a second cross plane. (vs about .1 of a second or less for dual clutch boxes) That is why every single dual clutch car accelerates faster than it's (lighter) manual counterpart.
That video merely demonstrates that Jason Plato is a faster track driver. Now had Jason done back to back laps himself in the two cars that might have proved something.
Oh I see what you mean now....That video merely demonstrates that Jason Plato is a faster track driver. Now had Jason done back to back laps himself in the two cars that might have proved something.
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 7th August 09:45
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 7th August 09:55
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 7th August 12:31
Marcus Gronholm is a crap driver, as he was driving the PDK car and of course he knows far less than what you do about power to wieght ratios with gear box, and can't drive to save his life.... And there's me thinking he was a world rally champion.
Gronholm is a straight talking man and would not except bulls
t from anyone and I can assure you that if he was trying hard, he WAS trying hard.Some people just cannot except the truth that the PDK is quicker off the start but the manual would win the race over ten laps due to the wieght advantage on the bends....
Gadgit.
gadgit said:
Oh I see what you mean now....
Marcus Gronholm is a crap driver, as he was driving the PDK car and of course he knows far less than what you do about power to wieght ratios with gear box, and can't drive to save his life.... And there's me thinking he was a world rally champion.
Gronholm is a straight talking man and would not except bullst from anyone and I can assure you that if he was trying hard, he WAS trying hard.
Some people just cannot except the truth that the PDK is quicker off the start but the manual would win the race over ten laps due to the wieght advantage on the bends....
Gadgit.
Oh come on! This is entertainment not real world competition. In any case the difference is smaller than the differences between two press cars - which may have differently worn tyres, different geo because someone has curbed it - even different tyre brands, wheel sizes, suspension set-ups etc etc. If you are seriously reading anything significant into the results you haven't been at the sharp end of competitive racing. There are just too many unknowns. And if all those variables were equalised, I'd expect P to have the advantage on track and G on rough. Marcus Gronholm is a crap driver, as he was driving the PDK car and of course he knows far less than what you do about power to wieght ratios with gear box, and can't drive to save his life.... And there's me thinking he was a world rally champion.
Gronholm is a straight talking man and would not except bulls
t from anyone and I can assure you that if he was trying hard, he WAS trying hard.Some people just cannot except the truth that the PDK is quicker off the start but the manual would win the race over ten laps due to the wieght advantage on the bends....
Gadgit.
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 7th August 22:40
JayK12 said:
What are people's thoughts on a PDK with a 2.7? Does it work well? Car would be a daily round town and a weekend blaster.
The wife has a very basic 2.7 with a PDK, used as a daily driver on M4 and in town - 12k a year. The auto is great especially in traffic. We were lent a manual Boxster when in for servicing. I know this won't be popular but the clutch was unacceptably heavy. Of all the vehicles I've driven including ancient Land Rovers and Ladas this was the only one I would not be able to live with. It may be more precise and allow you to utilise the gears fully, but in traffic in Cardiff it was literally a pain. Both of us have a mild degree of arthritis and considering the potential age range of purchases (40's to 50's) I suspect so will others.
Try it out & not just hooning round, see if you like it in traffic before committing
Have to say i keep looking at 981s with PDK. I have a 3 cars at the moment (dont ask) but would like to turn them into 1 nice car for weekend and low mileage use.
Could probably raise £30 to £35k but have seen a few 981 with decent spec but with 70k miles for less than £30k. I have always run german cars to silly miles with sympathetic driving from cold and good servicing.
As the car will be used for weekends the average miles to others on the market will eventually even out.
Has anyone got any experience yet of running a 981 to 100k miles? I would be interested to read of any experiences. Or should i be more sensible and get one with 30k miles on it?
Could probably raise £30 to £35k but have seen a few 981 with decent spec but with 70k miles for less than £30k. I have always run german cars to silly miles with sympathetic driving from cold and good servicing.
As the car will be used for weekends the average miles to others on the market will eventually even out.
Has anyone got any experience yet of running a 981 to 100k miles? I would be interested to read of any experiences. Or should i be more sensible and get one with 30k miles on it?
M3333 said:
Have to say i keep looking at 981s with PDK. I have a 3 cars at the moment (dont ask) but would like to turn them into 1 nice car for weekend and low mileage use.
Could probably raise £30 to £35k but have seen a few 981 with decent spec but with 70k miles for less than £30k. I have always run german cars to silly miles with sympathetic driving from cold and good servicing.
As the car will be used for weekends the average miles to others on the market will eventually even out.
Has anyone got any experience yet of running a 981 to 100k miles? I would be interested to read of any experiences. Or should i be more sensible and get one with 30k miles on it?
Not 100k miles, but 71k miles on a 2012 981 BS. Only issues so far: replaced VVT solenoids and fuel pump (seals on latter had slight oil leak). Could probably raise £30 to £35k but have seen a few 981 with decent spec but with 70k miles for less than £30k. I have always run german cars to silly miles with sympathetic driving from cold and good servicing.
As the car will be used for weekends the average miles to others on the market will eventually even out.
Has anyone got any experience yet of running a 981 to 100k miles? I would be interested to read of any experiences. Or should i be more sensible and get one with 30k miles on it?
JayK12 said:
A friend of mine is looking at 2.7 or 3.4 981s, alot are over 30k miles, with some being upto 50k miles.
Does anyone see this as a problem, continuing with around 10K miles a year, i.e resale, reliability?
Thanks,
PM me as i may have something that would interest your friend.Does anyone see this as a problem, continuing with around 10K miles a year, i.e resale, reliability?
Thanks,
Setting aside the issue of perception and market value of higher mileage Porsches it is a bit depressing to read this post. It's a car - the most basic snotbox could sail 100k these days without issue. We're talking about a Porsche, lauded for its engineering excellence and bulletproof built quality.
Quite why there is a view that 50k on a cayman or boxster - let's be honest, that is sold at a price point not a lot different from a higher spec 3 series or similar motorway fodder (before options, but they are mostly just tinsel, the core engineering fundamentals are present on even the most basic spec) - could be an issue genuinely baffles me.
If a top quality engineered premium German motor is raising concerns at 50k miles, what exactly are people paying for?
Buy it, drive it, service it properly and don't worry about it. Yes, it might be worth a little less when you sell it but you've paid for the enjoyment of driving it, not for the dubious pleasure of polishing it every weekend....
Quite why there is a view that 50k on a cayman or boxster - let's be honest, that is sold at a price point not a lot different from a higher spec 3 series or similar motorway fodder (before options, but they are mostly just tinsel, the core engineering fundamentals are present on even the most basic spec) - could be an issue genuinely baffles me.
If a top quality engineered premium German motor is raising concerns at 50k miles, what exactly are people paying for?
Buy it, drive it, service it properly and don't worry about it. Yes, it might be worth a little less when you sell it but you've paid for the enjoyment of driving it, not for the dubious pleasure of polishing it every weekend....
biggles330d said:
Setting aside the issue of perception and market value of higher mileage Porsches it is a bit depressing to read this post. It's a car - the most basic snotbox could sail 100k these days without issue. We're talking about a Porsche, lauded for its engineering excellence and bulletproof built quality.
Quite why there is a view that 50k on a cayman or boxster - let's be honest, that is sold at a price point not a lot different from a higher spec 3 series or similar motorway fodder (before options, but they are mostly just tinsel, the core engineering fundamentals are present on even the most basic spec) - could be an issue genuinely baffles me.
If a top quality engineered premium German motor is raising concerns at 50k miles, what exactly are people paying for?
Buy it, drive it, service it properly and don't worry about it. Yes, it might be worth a little less when you sell it but you've paid for the enjoyment of driving it, not for the dubious pleasure of polishing it every weekend....
I agree.Quite why there is a view that 50k on a cayman or boxster - let's be honest, that is sold at a price point not a lot different from a higher spec 3 series or similar motorway fodder (before options, but they are mostly just tinsel, the core engineering fundamentals are present on even the most basic spec) - could be an issue genuinely baffles me.
If a top quality engineered premium German motor is raising concerns at 50k miles, what exactly are people paying for?
Buy it, drive it, service it properly and don't worry about it. Yes, it might be worth a little less when you sell it but you've paid for the enjoyment of driving it, not for the dubious pleasure of polishing it every weekend....
Have you been reading: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
It’s only a car...
As the OP has said drive it, just because its a Porsche it doesn’t make it any different to any other car on the road.
I drive my Porsche 7 days a week 12 months of the year much to the horror of some people.
But it’s a product that I have paid money for and I want to enjoy it to it’s fullest. It gets dirty, driven hard and I love getting into it every morning.
It was spec’ed the way I wanted it from the factory and I will put as many miles as I want to on it and trade it in when I want with a full opc service history.
It’s not going to blow up at 40k, 50k, it’s a modern car - just buy and enjoy!
As the OP has said drive it, just because its a Porsche it doesn’t make it any different to any other car on the road.
I drive my Porsche 7 days a week 12 months of the year much to the horror of some people.
But it’s a product that I have paid money for and I want to enjoy it to it’s fullest. It gets dirty, driven hard and I love getting into it every morning.
It was spec’ed the way I wanted it from the factory and I will put as many miles as I want to on it and trade it in when I want with a full opc service history.
It’s not going to blow up at 40k, 50k, it’s a modern car - just buy and enjoy!
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