981 BGTS owner has loaded 781 BS for 2 days.......
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jimmy p said:
I booked my 981 in for some warranty work yesterday at opc. Was offered a merc as loan car or porsche if I wait another week. Plumped to wait as was looking forward to getting a 718 to test for myself, was surprised when told it would be a macan. Made me wonder why they were not giving 718s out as loan cars??
Simply because there are still relatively few 718's around. They are now starting to trickle through in larger numbers, but you're still looking at 9-12 months delivery for a non-S and OPC's will be wary of racking up too many miles on the few 718's they do have. Macan's are still in a similar situation delivery wise, but are far less sensitive to mileage.Factory tooling changes etc apparently caused the delivery schedules to move to the right earlier this year, but they can't make them fast enough according to my dealer who has orders waiting for allocation 12-15 cars deep on both models for both Boxster and Cayman. Supply to the U.K. has been severely limited.
It seems buyers don't believe the drivel posted on the internet and are enjoying a fantastic Porsche (and are prepared to wait for the privilege).
Porsche718S said:
jimmy p said:
I booked my 981 in for some warranty work yesterday at opc. Was offered a merc as loan car or porsche if I wait another week. Plumped to wait as was looking forward to getting a 718 to test for myself, was surprised when told it would be a macan. Made me wonder why they were not giving 718s out as loan cars??
Simply because there are still relatively few 718's around. They are now starting to trickle through in larger numbers, but you're still looking at 9-12 months delivery for a non-S and OPC's will be wary of racking up too many miles on the few 718's they do have. Macan's are still in a similar situation delivery wise, but are far less sensitive to mileage.Factory tooling changes etc apparently caused the delivery schedules to move to the right earlier this year, but they can't make them fast enough according to my dealer who has orders waiting for allocation 12-15 cars deep on both models for both Boxster and Cayman. Supply to the U.K. has been severely limited.
It seems buyers don't believe the drivel posted on the internet and are enjoying a fantastic Porsche (and are prepared to wait for the privilege).
IMO it's not drivel, it's just some taking opinion/critism of the F4 or F6 personally and defending they're pride and joy vigorously. I have a 981 CS and I'm happy to discuss the 718 with anyone and couldn't care less if they're dead against the F6 and hopelessly in love the the 4.
The Cayster will always sell well, a genuine, from the ground up, mid-engined sports car....you won't get anything new from Ferrari, Lamborghini or Mclaren for 718 money.
To suggest it's journalistic drivel is wide of the mark.
There are very clear differences in power delivery and sound between the 718 and 981. You would have to have a complete lack of critical faculties if you didn't notice them. That's not to say which you might prefer, but they are very significant and real reasons for making one choice or the other.
There are very clear differences in power delivery and sound between the 718 and 981. You would have to have a complete lack of critical faculties if you didn't notice them. That's not to say which you might prefer, but they are very significant and real reasons for making one choice or the other.
jimmy p said:
I booked my 981 in for some warranty work yesterday at opc. Was offered a merc as loan car or porsche if I wait another week. Plumped to wait as was looking forward to getting a 718 to test for myself, was surprised when told it would be a macan. Made me wonder why they were not giving 718s out as loan cars??
I got a 718 while mine was in for service although I did specifically ask.Krobar said:
jimmy p said:
I booked my 981 in for some warranty work yesterday at opc. Was offered a merc as loan car or porsche if I wait another week. Plumped to wait as was looking forward to getting a 718 to test for myself, was surprised when told it would be a macan. Made me wonder why they were not giving 718s out as loan cars??
I got a 718 while mine was in for service although I did specifically ask.it's booked in in a few weeks for the parking break air gap to be adjusted and a couple of other things... I couldn't escape the Cayenne this time, it's all they had to offer. Hey ho.
Nail on the head - they're just DIFFERENT. In turn making much of the rhetoric on here and in the press surrounding the engine drivel. I mean, what are the press going to comment on if not the different engine when the rest of the car is just more of the same but improved in every respect. Switching from the flat-6 was always going to be the headline act and so it has proved.
What we read time and again on here is current owners proclaiming the 718's engine is crap (and hence the car is in some way deficient as a Porsche) due to THEIR preferences, whilst those who actually prefer the engine in 718 are conveniently ignored (even passively aggressively ridiculed in some instances...lets all remember it's been suggested on a number of occasions that the buyers of a 718 are now buying the car only for the brand...pompous in the extreme). It seems current owners can't judge the 718 in its own right and can't help but draw negative comparison with their current car?
I prefer the engine in the 718 (strange for many of you, but true). I very much like the way it sounds, it's very unique and when you're not in test drive mode and simply stabbing the throttle everywhere to see how fast it is and desperately trying to drive it off boost to be able to say the lag is awful (which it isn't by the way, when the car is driven normally, although I can see how it can be easily provoked) it has a very unique character all of its own that makes the car very enjoyable. It's also way more flexible and relaxing when you need it to be and is more economical (it doesn't drive anything like a diesel, just because it has meaningful torque below 5000rpm does not give it diesel characteristics - it revs very hard past 7000rpm). The outright performance speaks for itself.
If sound is more important than these attributes for you then fair enough...but this should not be a commentary on the 718 to the extreme that we often read on here, rather it is buying preference and we all have a choice in this regard.
What we read time and again on here is current owners proclaiming the 718's engine is crap (and hence the car is in some way deficient as a Porsche) due to THEIR preferences, whilst those who actually prefer the engine in 718 are conveniently ignored (even passively aggressively ridiculed in some instances...lets all remember it's been suggested on a number of occasions that the buyers of a 718 are now buying the car only for the brand...pompous in the extreme). It seems current owners can't judge the 718 in its own right and can't help but draw negative comparison with their current car?
I prefer the engine in the 718 (strange for many of you, but true). I very much like the way it sounds, it's very unique and when you're not in test drive mode and simply stabbing the throttle everywhere to see how fast it is and desperately trying to drive it off boost to be able to say the lag is awful (which it isn't by the way, when the car is driven normally, although I can see how it can be easily provoked) it has a very unique character all of its own that makes the car very enjoyable. It's also way more flexible and relaxing when you need it to be and is more economical (it doesn't drive anything like a diesel, just because it has meaningful torque below 5000rpm does not give it diesel characteristics - it revs very hard past 7000rpm). The outright performance speaks for itself.
If sound is more important than these attributes for you then fair enough...but this should not be a commentary on the 718 to the extreme that we often read on here, rather it is buying preference and we all have a choice in this regard.
TB303 said:
Core issue is that F4T came about to meet emissions targets, not so that the car would be the best it can be.
Exactly, and this is why the 718 will never be accepted as an improvement on the 981. It's a totally different car, which is good for some people but not for the majority..Getting back to the journalist reviews for a second, did any drive a 718 back-to-back with a 981 like us owners have? It makes the engine difference even more apparent and the handling differences minimal at best IMHO.
Porsche718S said:
Nail on the head - they're just DIFFERENT. In turn making much of the rhetoric on here and in the press surrounding the engine drivel. I mean, what are the press going to comment on if not the different engine when the rest of the car is just more of the same but improved in every respect. Switching from the flat-6 was always going to be the headline act and so it has proved.
What we read time and again on here is current owners proclaiming the 718's engine is crap (and hence the car is in some way deficient as a Porsche) due to THEIR preferences, whilst those who actually prefer the engine in 718 are conveniently ignored (even passively aggressively ridiculed in some instances...lets all remember it's been suggested on a number of occasions that the buyers of a 718 are now buying the car only for the brand...pompous in the extreme). It seems current owners can't judge the 718 in its own right and can't help but draw negative comparison with their current car?
I prefer the engine in the 718 (strange for many of you, but true). I very much like the way it sounds, it's very unique and when you're not in test drive mode and simply stabbing the throttle everywhere to see how fast it is and desperately trying to drive it off boost to be able to say the lag is awful (which it isn't by the way, when the car is driven normally, although I can see how it can be easily provoked) it has a very unique character all of its own that makes the car very enjoyable. It's also way more flexible and relaxing when you need it to be and is more economical (it doesn't drive anything like a diesel, just because it has meaningful torque below 5000rpm does not give it diesel characteristics - it revs very hard past 7000rpm). The outright performance speaks for itself.
If sound is more important than these attributes for you then fair enough...but this should not be a commentary on the 718 to the extreme that we often read on here, rather it is buying preference and we all have a choice in this regard.
Yep if the sound is for you its great in traffic in a striaght line ;-)What we read time and again on here is current owners proclaiming the 718's engine is crap (and hence the car is in some way deficient as a Porsche) due to THEIR preferences, whilst those who actually prefer the engine in 718 are conveniently ignored (even passively aggressively ridiculed in some instances...lets all remember it's been suggested on a number of occasions that the buyers of a 718 are now buying the car only for the brand...pompous in the extreme). It seems current owners can't judge the 718 in its own right and can't help but draw negative comparison with their current car?
I prefer the engine in the 718 (strange for many of you, but true). I very much like the way it sounds, it's very unique and when you're not in test drive mode and simply stabbing the throttle everywhere to see how fast it is and desperately trying to drive it off boost to be able to say the lag is awful (which it isn't by the way, when the car is driven normally, although I can see how it can be easily provoked) it has a very unique character all of its own that makes the car very enjoyable. It's also way more flexible and relaxing when you need it to be and is more economical (it doesn't drive anything like a diesel, just because it has meaningful torque below 5000rpm does not give it diesel characteristics - it revs very hard past 7000rpm). The outright performance speaks for itself.
If sound is more important than these attributes for you then fair enough...but this should not be a commentary on the 718 to the extreme that we often read on here, rather it is buying preference and we all have a choice in this regard.
anonymous said:
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Great post, the AMG TT engine does of course sound much better than the 718, one of the best FI engines out there. The first car I owned in my name as a metro Turbo, I loved it but it did have a dodgy carb which I had to unscrew and pump by hand to stop it sticking lol I then moved onto more powerful turbo cars for many years and never really appreciated the VTEC engines depsite having one of the first S2000 in the country (flipped to a TV presenter after a few weeks) I then b egan to appreciate that power and stright line speed are not necessarily better drivers cars ;-)ps the scoobies where fun though Porsche718S said:
Simply because there are still relatively few 718's around. They are now starting to trickle through in larger numbers, but you're still looking at 9-12 months delivery for a non-S and OPC's will be wary of racking up too many miles on the few 718's they do have. Macan's are still in a similar situation delivery wise, but are far less sensitive to mileage.
Factory tooling changes etc apparently caused the delivery schedules to move to the right earlier this year, but they can't make them fast enough according to my dealer who has orders waiting for allocation 12-15 cars deep on both models for both Boxster and Cayman. Supply to the U.K. has been severely limited.
It seems buyers don't believe the drivel posted on the internet and are enjoying a fantastic Porsche (and are prepared to wait for the privilege).
Believe me I could walk into a 718 tomorrow, the dealers are sitting on plenty of new stock, makes you wonder if they filled allocations with cancelled orders. There is a great spec orange 718 at my local OPC, I wont buy i becasue it not as good a car , simplezFactory tooling changes etc apparently caused the delivery schedules to move to the right earlier this year, but they can't make them fast enough according to my dealer who has orders waiting for allocation 12-15 cars deep on both models for both Boxster and Cayman. Supply to the U.K. has been severely limited.
It seems buyers don't believe the drivel posted on the internet and are enjoying a fantastic Porsche (and are prepared to wait for the privilege).
jonttt said:
Believe me I could walk into a 718 tomorrow, the dealers are sitting on plenty of new stock, makes you wonder if they filled allocations with cancelled orders. There is a great spec orange 718 at my local OPC, I wont buy i becasue it not as good a car , simplez
Not a new, bespoke 718 you couldn't. Maybe they are scarce because they're not selling?
I didn't think OPCs kept "stock" either, so not sure what chance their is of getting one quickly. Mine is supposedly not going to be built until January. Maybe the UK has a lower allocation because of all of the PH hand-wringing over the noise or they still can only build a low number.
It's nice to have a debate, as long as we respect each other's opinion. I'm sure we all agree the 718 is a fantastic looking car like the 981 before it.
I didn't think OPCs kept "stock" either, so not sure what chance their is of getting one quickly. Mine is supposedly not going to be built until January. Maybe the UK has a lower allocation because of all of the PH hand-wringing over the noise or they still can only build a low number.
It's nice to have a debate, as long as we respect each other's opinion. I'm sure we all agree the 718 is a fantastic looking car like the 981 before it.
Jefferson Steelflex said:
Maybe they are scarce because they're not selling?
I didn't think OPCs kept "stock" either, so not sure what chance their is of getting one quickly. Mine is supposedly not going to be built until January. Maybe the UK has a lower allocation because of all of the PH hand-wringing over the noise or they still can only build a low number.
It's nice to have a debate, as long as we respect each other's opinion. I'm sure we all agree the 718 is a fantastic looking car like the 981 before it.
I think the U.K. price post-Brexit vote makes it less profitable here which may be why allocations are low. I don't see demand outstripping supply though.I didn't think OPCs kept "stock" either, so not sure what chance their is of getting one quickly. Mine is supposedly not going to be built until January. Maybe the UK has a lower allocation because of all of the PH hand-wringing over the noise or they still can only build a low number.
It's nice to have a debate, as long as we respect each other's opinion. I'm sure we all agree the 718 is a fantastic looking car like the 981 before it.
I have to disagree on the looks I'm afraid, the 718 has all the angular lines that I love rounded off, including the air vents in the cabin. Not my thing and similar to the 987 which I also dislike the look of. The 981 on the other hand always reminds me of a 918
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