981 20" tyres - Michelin or Goodyear?
Discussion
Cabsi said:
Thanks everyone. I think the choice has been made.
I'm having a full Geo done tomorrow, and will see whether that enables me to live with the Pirellis. If not (and I suspect not), I will then be looking for the best deal on the Goodyears.
I'd suggest setting the rear toe towards the most toe OUT setting within spec. It will make the rear more mobile.I'm having a full Geo done tomorrow, and will see whether that enables me to live with the Pirellis. If not (and I suspect not), I will then be looking for the best deal on the Goodyears.
I am just about to swap out my P Zero N0s. The performance of them is good in the dry but they are not particularly progressive.
After trying the 718S at the PEC on P Zero N1s I will be going for them. Whilst they are different cars, so difficult to fully compare, I found the N1s to be so much more intuitive. You couldn't lean on them quite as hard but they lost traction in a really progressive way. They may not have the ultimate grip levels of the N0s (really hard to tell), but I loved to confidence they gave me to play around at the limit.
After trying the 718S at the PEC on P Zero N1s I will be going for them. Whilst they are different cars, so difficult to fully compare, I found the N1s to be so much more intuitive. You couldn't lean on them quite as hard but they lost traction in a really progressive way. They may not have the ultimate grip levels of the N0s (really hard to tell), but I loved to confidence they gave me to play around at the limit.
Porsche911R said:
That's is a stupid recommendation.
DO NOT DO THIS...
Read what I wrote - WITHIN SPEC -ie still toed in. At the other end of the Spec it causes too much understeer and exaggerates the excessively planted feel you get with Pirelli N0s. I wouldn't particularly recommend it with N1s since the rear is already adequately mobile. DO NOT DO THIS...
Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 6th September 07:50
Just to report back - coincidentally my rear toe out was outside spec... but overall measurements weren't too bad.
I now have more negative front camber (now outside spec) which has given me more turn in urgency, whilst the rear feels more planted. So its starting to come together.
I'll live with this for a couple of weeks before I decide on the tyres. Thanks again.
I now have more negative front camber (now outside spec) which has given me more turn in urgency, whilst the rear feels more planted. So its starting to come together.
I'll live with this for a couple of weeks before I decide on the tyres. Thanks again.
Cabsi said:
Just to report back - coincidentally my rear toe out was outside spec... but overall measurements weren't too bad.
I now have more negative front camber (now outside spec) which has given me more turn in urgency, whilst the rear feels more planted. So its starting to come together.
I'll live with this for a couple of weeks before I decide on the tyres. Thanks again.
If you are happy with the MORE planted feel on the rear of your current setup I'm not sure you will be happy with the N1 Pirellis, or the Goodyears.I now have more negative front camber (now outside spec) which has given me more turn in urgency, whilst the rear feels more planted. So its starting to come together.
I'll live with this for a couple of weeks before I decide on the tyres. Thanks again.
Porsche911R said:
I think the views come from people who have never had anything but p zero so anything is better lol
I have ran every thing on my Porkers, Conti, p zero, Bridgestones, Googyear F1, Dunlop race maxx, MPSS , PS4S and the cup 2, Michelin are the clear winners by a long shot hence why every ring record is on "Michelin" and most super cars even the tail happy BMW ran MPSS to tame them, the CGT a car which would bite you ended up with MPSS also the only tyre to work on the car !
Most of the Hyper cars ran MPSS and new Ferrari are coming out with PS4S on them.
So while views might be like belly buttons, the fact is "Michelin" are the best tyres backed up time and time again in every review, only EVO never rate "Michelin" as they never put a PS4S or MPSS on their tests lol they are paid buy Conti imo to avoid those 2 tyres in every car tyre test I can remember.
While the new P1 zero N1 might be a good tyre, it's about the only one I have not used, I would not risk buying one going by their history.
people also look at tyre reviews and then state that vs an old model which Porsche fit not the new releases.
I run 2 cars on PS4S and 2 on CUP 2's, I have also ran at >6 sets of MPSS , they transformed my V8 BMW.
when it comes to tyres "Michelin" seem to have it licked, they have now and back 10+ years ago they did with the PS2 of which I must have ran 10+ sets.
Continental Sport Contact 6 seem to get good reviews but I don't trust the paid for adverts and have had bad Conti before.
to end on a tyre review quote
"The new Michelin Pilot Sport 4S betters the Michelin Pilot Super Sport in every measurable category, and looks to extend its dominance over its rivals in the maximum performance tyre sector."
I would echo MrD's thoughts, but just to add OP I was in your situation a few months ago (see my thread) and in the end I went with the Goodyears rather than wait even longer for the heavily delayed PS4 S.I have ran every thing on my Porkers, Conti, p zero, Bridgestones, Googyear F1, Dunlop race maxx, MPSS , PS4S and the cup 2, Michelin are the clear winners by a long shot hence why every ring record is on "Michelin" and most super cars even the tail happy BMW ran MPSS to tame them, the CGT a car which would bite you ended up with MPSS also the only tyre to work on the car !
Most of the Hyper cars ran MPSS and new Ferrari are coming out with PS4S on them.
So while views might be like belly buttons, the fact is "Michelin" are the best tyres backed up time and time again in every review, only EVO never rate "Michelin" as they never put a PS4S or MPSS on their tests lol they are paid buy Conti imo to avoid those 2 tyres in every car tyre test I can remember.
While the new P1 zero N1 might be a good tyre, it's about the only one I have not used, I would not risk buying one going by their history.
people also look at tyre reviews and then state that vs an old model which Porsche fit not the new releases.
I run 2 cars on PS4S and 2 on CUP 2's, I have also ran at >6 sets of MPSS , they transformed my V8 BMW.
when it comes to tyres "Michelin" seem to have it licked, they have now and back 10+ years ago they did with the PS2 of which I must have ran 10+ sets.
Continental Sport Contact 6 seem to get good reviews but I don't trust the paid for adverts and have had bad Conti before.
to end on a tyre review quote
"The new Michelin Pilot Sport 4S betters the Michelin Pilot Super Sport in every measurable category, and looks to extend its dominance over its rivals in the maximum performance tyre sector."
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 5th September 10:41
While the goodyears are an improvement they are not quite as good as I was hoping when pushing on, they feel a little soft and the tread blocks do move. I find myself accidentally engaging traction control pulling away in the wet sometimes and also engaging the ABS on approach to roundabouts etc. - in situations where it really shouldn't.
In comparison my 987 (which has the same engine as my 981) ran Michelin PS2s and was much more competent, and according to my VBOX actually stops quicker and generates more G in the corners. I can only attribute this to the Michelin tyres as there is no way Porsche would make the 981 chassis inferior.
I will live contently with the Goodyears for another year, but I can't wait until the N rated PS4 S are out.
n4aat said:
I am just about to swap out my P Zero N0s. The performance of them is good in the dry but they are not particularly progressive.
After trying the 718S at the PEC on P Zero N1s I will be going for them. Whilst they are different cars, so difficult to fully compare, I found the N1s to be so much more intuitive. You couldn't lean on them quite as hard but they lost traction in a really progressive way. They may not have the ultimate grip levels of the N0s (really hard to tell), but I loved to confidence they gave me to play around at the limit.
I changed my P Zero N0's on the 981 GTS recently to P Zero N1's and was impressed with the improvement in ride and feedback...I don't track the car and it's a daily drive so I've not pushed them too hard but they were a noticeable improvement in ride quality immediately.After trying the 718S at the PEC on P Zero N1s I will be going for them. Whilst they are different cars, so difficult to fully compare, I found the N1s to be so much more intuitive. You couldn't lean on them quite as hard but they lost traction in a really progressive way. They may not have the ultimate grip levels of the N0s (really hard to tell), but I loved to confidence they gave me to play around at the limit.
I have X73 suspension so feel everything on the road but did feel an immediate suppleness in the car that I'd not felt on the N0's.
The car has also lost the low speed full lock chatter which I really didn't like so positive all round from my perspective
39sl said:
I changed my P Zero N0's on the 981 GTS recently to P Zero N1's and was impressed with the improvement in ride and feedback...I don't track the car and it's a daily drive so I've not pushed them too hard but they were a noticeable improvement in ride quality immediately.
I have X73 suspension so feel everything on the road but did feel an immediate suppleness in the car that I'd not felt on the N0's.
The car has also lost the low speed full lock chatter which I really didn't like so positive all round from my perspective
I find your ride comments interesting. I find no difference in ride vs N0 on my S with PASM and 19" rims. I suppose the lower profile tyres, harder suspension and tyre pressures of X73 must make your GTS more tyre sensitive to tyre characteristics. Otherwise I'm in sync with your comments. I have X73 suspension so feel everything on the road but did feel an immediate suppleness in the car that I'd not felt on the N0's.
The car has also lost the low speed full lock chatter which I really didn't like so positive all round from my perspective
ok that's good to know - i think i'm going to take the plunge and try the Pilot Sports 4S tyres. i have little experience but i really don't get on with the Pirellis, especially in the wet and even more so in the cold.
car is in warranty though and i do intend to renew when the time comes (still a good year away). if i keep the Pirellis can't i just switch back if any warranty work/renewal comes up?
i have 1st dibs on a lightly used set (of PS4Ss) in good condition and i've seen a few posts on here that seem to confirm what the seller is saying.
what's the general consensus on buying used tyres? is it a no no?
car is in warranty though and i do intend to renew when the time comes (still a good year away). if i keep the Pirellis can't i just switch back if any warranty work/renewal comes up?
i have 1st dibs on a lightly used set (of PS4Ss) in good condition and i've seen a few posts on here that seem to confirm what the seller is saying.
what's the general consensus on buying used tyres? is it a no no?
JasonSteel said:
ok that's good to know - i think i'm going to take the plunge and try the Pilot Sports 4S tyres. i have little experience but i really don't get on with the Pirellis, especially in the wet and even more so in the cold.
car is in warranty though and i do intend to renew when the time comes (still a good year away). if i keep the Pirellis can't i just switch back if any warranty work/renewal comes up?
i have 1st dibs on a lightly used set (of PS4Ss) in good condition and i've seen a few posts on here that seem to confirm what the seller is saying.
what's the general consensus on buying used tyres? is it a no no?
PS4S in 20" are supposedly N marked, so Porsche approved. It's getting hold of a set which is the impossible factor.car is in warranty though and i do intend to renew when the time comes (still a good year away). if i keep the Pirellis can't i just switch back if any warranty work/renewal comes up?
i have 1st dibs on a lightly used set (of PS4Ss) in good condition and i've seen a few posts on here that seem to confirm what the seller is saying.
what's the general consensus on buying used tyres? is it a no no?
What sizes are the set you've found, and why is the seller getting rid? No good perhaps?
JasonSteel said:
ok that's good to know - i think i'm going to take the plunge and try the Pilot Sports 4S tyres. i have little experience but i really don't get on with the Pirellis, especially in the wet and even more so in the cold.
car is in warranty though and i do intend to renew when the time comes (still a good year away). if i keep the Pirellis can't i just switch back if any warranty work/renewal comes up?
i have 1st dibs on a lightly used set (of PS4Ss) in good condition and i've seen a few posts on here that seem to confirm what the seller is saying.
what's the general consensus on buying used tyres? is it a no no?
There's an implied assumption that N1 Pirellis are like N0s. They really aren't. car is in warranty though and i do intend to renew when the time comes (still a good year away). if i keep the Pirellis can't i just switch back if any warranty work/renewal comes up?
i have 1st dibs on a lightly used set (of PS4Ss) in good condition and i've seen a few posts on here that seem to confirm what the seller is saying.
what's the general consensus on buying used tyres? is it a no no?
DJMC said:
PS4S in 20" are supposedly N marked, so Porsche approved. It's getting hold of a set which is the impossible factor.
What sizes are the set you've found, and why is the seller getting rid? No good perhaps?
these aren't N rated, hence my point about swapping for the original Pirellis when warranty renewal time arrives, or if a warranty claim is needed.What sizes are the set you've found, and why is the seller getting rid? No good perhaps?
the sizes are 235/35/20 fronts and 265/35/20 rears, so the right sizes for the GTS.
seller is supposedly selling due to upgrade to GT4 and selling his GTS back to Porsche (which of course requires the original tyres to be fitted).
the overwhelming consensus on the Michelins (both is SS and PS4S variants) seems to be that they are a significant upgrade over the PZeros.
JasonSteel said:
the overwhelming consensus on the Michelins (both is SS and PS4S variants) seems to be that they are a significant upgrade over the PZeros.
I haven't seen anyone post who has tried both N1 Pirellis and Michelins, so I can't see there can be an "overwhelming concensus". bcr5784 said:
I haven't seen anyone post who has tried both N1 Pirellis and Michelins, so I can't see there can be an "overwhelming concensus".
i meant with respect to the N0 Pirellis. the N0s - poor wet/cold performance and scuffing at full lock aside - also suffer from the terrible cracking problem. that's a pretty severe list of issues and i don't think i'll be going out of my way to get a a new set of Pirelli tyres any time soon, even if they are slightly improved over the N0s.i could be completely wrong of course and fitting the Michelins will do none of things i'm expecting.
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