981 20" tyres - Michelin or Goodyear?
Discussion
bcr5784 said:
I haven't seen anyone post who has tried both N1 Pirellis and Michelins, so I can't see there can be an "overwhelming concensus".
No normal car nut would try the N1 , it's bound to be s
t lol time will tell I guess but not worth the risk going from history of a load or poor tyres. bcr5784 said:
Several of us have for a variety of reasons tried them and found them a big step forward, and Much more to my taste than Goodyears. As far as I can see their detractors are people who have no experience of them.
But you have come from the sttest tyre on the market the n0 p zero and an averge tyre like the early good years,So it's should bloody well be better than either of those s
tters lol.The people who have tried em are s
t scared N spec wanabe's who have never tried a PS4s let alone the older mpss. Nothing to do with a variety of reason lol We have progress which should be a given, will it really perform vs the current best on the market today, who knows, not a risk I would take, I did that with Dunlop race max s
t and binned £1.2k of st there were. Sheer prejudice I'm afraid. There aren't many PZ4 PZeros vs PS4S tests and none on Porkers
as far as I am aware BUT all suggest PZ4 does run PS4S second and better in some areas.
Yes Pirelli have produced some rubbish, but then I could say IMS, bore scoring, GT3 engines or VW diesels etc. You can write off any brand.
as far as I am aware BUT all suggest PZ4 does run PS4S second and better in some areas.
Yes Pirelli have produced some rubbish, but then I could say IMS, bore scoring, GT3 engines or VW diesels etc. You can write off any brand.
JasonSteel said:
these aren't N rated, hence my point about swapping for the original Pirellis when warranty renewal time arrives, or if a warranty claim is needed.
the sizes are 235/35/20 fronts and 265/35/20 rears, so the right sizes for the GTS.
seller is supposedly selling due to upgrade to GT4 and selling his GTS back to Porsche (which of course requires the original tyres to be fitted).
the overwhelming consensus on the Michelins (both is SS and PS4S variants) seems to be that they are a significant upgrade over the PZeros.
Ah... got you. But what if the car breaks down and because of this you want to claim under warranty, but also to have Porsche come and pick it up 300 miles from your home? Would you instead go to all the hassle of changing the tyres back at 2am on 1st January in a freezing blizzard?the sizes are 235/35/20 fronts and 265/35/20 rears, so the right sizes for the GTS.
seller is supposedly selling due to upgrade to GT4 and selling his GTS back to Porsche (which of course requires the original tyres to be fitted).
the overwhelming consensus on the Michelins (both is SS and PS4S variants) seems to be that they are a significant upgrade over the PZeros.
If the issue isn't tyre related you should be fine of course... but will you?
Personally I think used, non-N marked, tyres are a no no. Used tyres because their usage is unknown. Non-N due to sod's law, as above.
DJMC said:
Ah... got you. But what if the car breaks down and because of this you want to claim under warranty, but also to have Porsche come and pick it up 300 miles from your home? Would you instead go to all the hassle of changing the tyres back at 2am on 1st January in a freezing blizzard?
If the issue isn't tyre related you should be fine of course... but will you?
Personally I think used, non-N marked, tyres are a no no. Used tyres because their usage is unknown. Non-N due to sod's law, as above.
these are exactly the kinds of questions i've been asking myself and if i'm honest my conclusion is the same as yours.If the issue isn't tyre related you should be fine of course... but will you?
Personally I think used, non-N marked, tyres are a no no. Used tyres because their usage is unknown. Non-N due to sod's law, as above.
really don't get along with the Pirellis though and considering the rear tyres have only done about 2k miles i can't justify a full on ~£1k expense for a new set of N spec so i think i'm going to try the Michelins to see if they change the feel and handling in the way that i think they will.
anonymous said:
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Before fitting my full Zunsport set (front rads, side rads, rear) I asked Avril at OPC Sutton Coldfield, who had been a technician and service adviser for 17 years. She advised there was no issue fitting the grilles and they would not affect the warranty. This was during a visit to them to remove a leaf which was fluttering in a side intake cooling fan.When my 981 went in for service at OPC Leics last year the service staff admired the grills and said what a good idea they were.
Before my 981 went in a few months ago to OPC Leics for a 111 point check and 2 year warranty extension I checked with the service staff beforehand who said they'd be fine. There were no advisories or comments regarding the grills on the 111 point check paperwork and the warranty was approved with no queries.
Hope that helps?
DJMC said:
Before fitting my full Zunsport set (front rads, side rads, rear) I asked Avril at OPC Sutton Coldfield, who had been a technician and service adviser for 17 years. She advised there was no issue fitting the grilles and they would not affect the warranty. This was during a visit to them to remove a leaf which was fluttering in a side intake cooling fan.
When my 981 went in for service at OPC Leics last year the service staff admired the grills and said what a good idea they were.
Before my 981 went in a few months ago to OPC Leics for a 111 point check and 2 year warranty extension I checked with the service staff beforehand who said they'd be fine. There were no advisories or comments regarding the grills on the 111 point check paperwork and the warranty was approved with no queries.
Hope that helps?
Agreed had similar conversations with OPC Nottingham who have no problem with Zunsport grilles, it also saves on warranty claims for damaged rads.When my 981 went in for service at OPC Leics last year the service staff admired the grills and said what a good idea they were.
Before my 981 went in a few months ago to OPC Leics for a 111 point check and 2 year warranty extension I checked with the service staff beforehand who said they'd be fine. There were no advisories or comments regarding the grills on the 111 point check paperwork and the warranty was approved with no queries.
Hope that helps?
Geoff39GL said:
Agreed had similar conversations with OPC Nottingham who have no problem with Zunsport grilles, it also saves on warranty claims for damaged rads.
have they put this in writing? my car had Zunsports fitted when i went to see it and they had to take them off to sell it to me. i asked them to leave them in the car and have since put them back on but speaking to the sales guy he said that it would void the warranty if the problem was in any way related to the engine overheating.back on topic though, have any of you had any similar conversations regarding non N spec tyres?
Edited by JasonSteel on Monday 18th September 09:41
JasonSteel said:
have they put this in writing? my car had Zunsports fitted when i went to see it and they had to take them off to sell it to me. i asked them to leave them in the car and have since put them back on but speaking to the sales guy he said that it would void the warranty if the problem was in any way related to the engine overheating.
back on topic though, have any of you had any similar conversations regarding non N spec tyres?
Only insofar as they put it through the 111 point check and issued the warranty with the grilles fitted. If you ring PGB I'm sure they'd say no to the grilles! back on topic though, have any of you had any similar conversations regarding non N spec tyres?
Edited by JasonSteel on Monday 18th September 09:41
My OPC are firm on N marked tyres for warranty. How tyres could be implicated in a warranty claim I'm not sure. Bearing failure perhaps, or steering failure? Anything connected to the wheels perhaps!! I don't wish to have that argument.
Fellas, what are your views on tyre roar with the various makes? I had P Zero N0s on my Cayman S and now GY Eagle F1s on my CGTS. I think noise from the tyres is about the same. PZN1s any quieter maybe?
I think the Eagles give rather a harsher ride - and both cars have/had PASM.
Thoughts?
I think the Eagles give rather a harsher ride - and both cars have/had PASM.
Thoughts?
Koln-RS said:
The GYs should give a quieter ride (look at the noise levels on the tyre label) and the ride should feel more compliant. Certainly my experience.
I did 5k miles on PZero N0 and now 18k miles on GY F1 A2 and I haven't noticed a noise reduction one to the other. GYs are certainly more compliant than the concrete like Pirellis, more so when in the winter when they're cold.By the way... phoned Michelin just now and both 235 & 265 20" N0 marked PS4S are due to launch in November. I said I could already buy the 235s from Tyreleader but they doubted this. They are going to double check. I have no more confidence that Michelin know what they are doing or when/if these will ever be launched than before I made the call!
Having dealt with Pirelli and Goodyear customer services previously I have no issues with the way they handle enquiries whereas Michelin customer services call handling makes me question their tyres handling.
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