The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

[TDT]

Porsche911R said:

yep a bargain modders car for sure for what you get and what it can do with a few tweeks.

rear toe links
set of shocks
LW flywheel
430BHP

:-)

Rear toe links going on this Thursday, along with full geometry work.
Car already feels so much better on new Cup2 vs the Race Maxx that were on before...so this is the next step in the journey for me.

981 GT4 has the potential to be a nice bit of weaponary on the road and track....when driven as intended it’s nicely aggressive and feels utterly unburstable.

[PhantomPH]

Porsche911R said:

great little car if you are prepared to change out some parts, I would say 95% are oem though.

Probably the same 95% that have never and will never see a track.

Which I would suggest also answers why Porsche used fixed rear. Not worth the extra cost, perhaps?

[boxsey]

PhantomPH said:

Probably the same 95% that have never and will never see a track.

Which I would suggest also answers why Porsche used fixed rear. Not worth the extra cost, perhaps?

I would say that more than 5% have seen a track. I've seen a lot of them at track days I've been on e.g. there were at least 8 at the last two Oulton Park RS days.

[PhantomPH]

boxsey said:

PhantomPH said:

Probably the same 95% that have never and will never see a track.

Which I would suggest also answers why Porsche used fixed rear. Not worth the extra cost, perhaps?

I would say that more than 5% have seen a track. I've seen a lot of them at track days I've been on e.g. there were at least 8 at the last two Oulton Park RS days.

Thick end of 3,000 total production run (I think - someone will correct me). That gives us 150 that have been used on a track. I was being witty really, but you’re probably right- around the world more than that will have been tracked.

[boxsey]

PhantomPH said:

boxsey said:

PhantomPH said:

Probably the same 95% that have never and will never see a track.

Which I would suggest also answers why Porsche used fixed rear. Not worth the extra cost, perhaps?

I would say that more than 5% have seen a track. I've seen a lot of them at track days I've been on e.g. there were at least 8 at the last two Oulton Park RS days.

Thick end of 3,000 total production run (I think - someone will correct me). That gives us 150 that have been used on a track. I was being witty really, but you’re probably right- around the world more than that will have been tracked.

Yes, I was thinking that considering about 600 UK cars I've seen a fair few different ones at trackdays over the last couple of years. They've often been in the majority of Porsches at those events. Looking forward to using mine for the first time at Spa and Zolder soon.

[Tutosky]

boxsey said:

PhantomPH said:

boxsey said:

PhantomPH said:

Probably the same 95% that have never and will never see a track.

Which I would suggest also answers why Porsche used fixed rear. Not worth the extra cost, perhaps?

I would say that more than 5% have seen a track. I've seen a lot of them at track days I've been on e.g. there were at least 8 at the last two Oulton Park RS days.

Thick end of 3,000 total production run (I think - someone will correct me). That gives us 150 that have been used on a track. I was being witty really, but you’re probably right- around the world more than that will have been tracked.

Yes, I was thinking that considering about 600 UK cars I've seen a fair few different ones at trackdays over the last couple of years. They've often been in the majority of Porsches at those events. Looking forward to using mine for the first time at Spa and Zolder soon.

Spa and Zolder, wow! Someone is up for a treat :-)

Here in Ireland we got only 6 GT4s, mine has been on track four times already and looking forward to the next one provided my new born baby duties allows me to spend a day away enjoying the car. 5 of the GT4s were flipped in the UK, mine is a keeper!

[Penny_Apex]

That really does have an odd sound. It's muffled like a turbo (and I think I can almost hear a turbo "woooosh"), but doesn't sound high pitched enough to be a H6.

Is there any chance Porsche would go the 5cyl turbo route using Audi tech?

https://youtu.be/NaYbC6oyUSg?t=2m3s

[Penny_Apex]

Another video of the RS3 (5cyl turbo) under load:

https://youtu.be/2-L8DdwQgys?t=28s

[Acky2]

Only flat 4 or flat 6 engines fit into the 718 and 911.

[gtsralph]

I posted this elsewhere..

Given 4.0L Caymans are not that unusual (in the USA) I thought I would revisit Deman Motorsports GT4 upgrades page. Below is their Dyno plot of their 4.0L v stock GT4.

This shows at 4k revs the 4.0L producing 305ft/lb v stock 250ft/lb - 4k revs is quite a useful point to have 20% more torque and engine revs do not seem to be restricted by the longer stroke. Relating this to the various videos, perhaps the optimum driving style is to use the extra torque exiting corners and revs and extra power thereafter. Also, gearing ratio spacing issues, real or perceived are reduced by the meatier torque band.

[TDT]

So thats an interesting post ...and i was intending to compile something similar... but you've beaten me to it.

Just like before the MY16 GT4 release we can look to tuners in the US who have been running cars with these type of engine to get a bit of a view as to the characteristics of the new car if arrives with a similar set up.

Before the official GT4 release - 3.8 conversions and 3.8 power kit conversions where being done on Caymans and Boxsters, and since the GT4 release tuners have been doing 4.0 and 4.0 power kit conversions.

The result of the 4.0 conversions are that you have the same characteristics as the GT4 3.8 - but just amplified...so more power and more torque.. similar behaviour... but as mentioned - the extra torque over the 3.8 goes someway to neutralising the OEM gear ratio issue.
In both 3.8 and 4.0 applications - adding the power kit - also adds 'power', aggression and some sparkle at the top of the rev range.

To me, its interesting that Porsche have seemed to change some of the character of the Cayman/Boxster since the 981 GT4 and Spyder.

[Twinfan]

So what you're both saying is that the 982 GT4 will be a 4.0 version of the 981 GT4, with the same engine characteristics and a similar chassis. Extrapolated out, that'll be 405bhp and exactly 10bhp less than the Carrera S - the same as last time.

Not very exciting IMHO...

[av185]

Agree but don't forget quite a few 981 GT4 orders were cancelled on the announcement it was having a boggo CS 'non gt' engine as opposed to a lower output screamer.

Porsche is very protective of the 911 brand and it's performance and understandably so.

[Twinfan]

I would have done the same and will probably not bother chasing after a 718 GT4 for the same reason, along with those discussed in the "BIG numbers" thread!

[Si-3PO]

Twinfan said:

I would have done the same and will probably not bother chasing after a 718 GT4 for the same reason, along with those discussed in the "BIG numbers" thread!

I find that argument odd. It’s a Cayman at the end of the day, you know the model, the poor mans Porsche? It has to fit into a lineup of cars, the fastest of the cheapo ones I’d be very excited about the prospect of a 4l one with 400bhp.

If it does get a F6 surely it’s the upgrade you’ve been looking for from your beloved 981?

[Twinfan]

Not really. I could only really live with the wing and the general loudness of the car if it inspired me in some way. I'm not looking for an upgrade really, but I'd make the switch if a new car appealed to me more. At the moment, based on what we know, it doesn't.

[gpgts]

718 GT4 Touring? It would allow us - ahem 50 something’s to avoid the boy racer wing. I would love it if it were retractable ala GT3 Touring.

[gtsralph]

Twinfan said:

So what you're both saying is ...

I said what I said, not what you decided I said.

[Twinfan]

Fair enough

[Porsche911R]

If they knock it out for £65k again it will be a bargain of course even with the £15k options needed.

My heart is in the new Exige launched yesterday, I said to myself if they release a charged cooled non CUP Exige (and cheaper) i'll buy it.

And yep they have launched a charged cooled 410HP 3.3 seconds Exige, The model I have been waiting for the last 4 or 5 years.

£85k and we have a drivers car which goes to 7k (unlike the 380) does not get heat soke (unlike the 380), nothing not to like in the Sport 410 Exige imo. Proper brakes, 3 way fully adjustable Nitrons, no modding, no dicking about for track, sounds perfect.

As new cars add tech, I have a need to re visit my Lotus years before I get too old, get some steering feel, sit low and enjoy driving again, nothing Lotus has made has done it for me the last 10 years, but yesterday they nailed it imo.