The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
Discussion
FocusRS3 said:
woollyjoe said:
I think the GT4 will have the marketing dept's full attention this time. I reckon a start price of at least £75k, possibly closer to £80k base.
Expecting GT4's to cost close to £100k once spec'd with all the fashionable bits such as carbon brakes.
Very possibly but at 100k I'd be buying a 991 GT3 with a Motorsport engine Expecting GT4's to cost close to £100k once spec'd with all the fashionable bits such as carbon brakes.
woollyjoe said:
I think the GT4 will have the marketing dept's full attention this time. I reckon a start price of at least £75k, possibly closer to £80k base.
Expecting GT4's to cost close to £100k once spec'd with all the fashionable bits such as carbon brakes.
If it turns out to be that expensive the flippers won’t touch it as no one is going pay 120k for a gt4Expecting GT4's to cost close to £100k once spec'd with all the fashionable bits such as carbon brakes.
TDT said:
GT4RS said:
If it turns out to be that expensive the flippers won’t touch it as no one is going pay 120k for a gt4
Yep... which is good for people that actually want to drive the carI’d be happy to buy a de tuned GT4 4.0 at a list of 70k plus extras of paint, buckets, clubsport, Bose, extended leather.
Apparently the new one is coming with nav
GT4RS said:
I wouldn’t pay 100k for a cayman gt4, personally I would find another 15k and buy a 997 gt3 rs or even by a 997 gen 2 Gt3 for 100k
You would think a lot of people would but it seems no one is buying these now but GT4 seem to be selling well at overs. (More user friendly) Let’s hope the new one is not ltd and drops the current one to normal levels, can only be a good thing., they should be £60k by now.
Porsche911R said:
GT4RS said:
I wouldn’t pay 100k for a cayman gt4, personally I would find another 15k and buy a 997 gt3 rs or even by a 997 gen 2 Gt3 for 100k
You would think a lot of people would but it seems no one is buying these now but GT4 seem to be selling well at overs. (More user friendly) Let’s hope the new one is not ltd and drops the current one to normal levels, can only be a good thing., they should be £60k by now.
You said no ones buying 997 gt cars at the moment so prices of these would fall as people would just go out and buy a new gt4 car to their own spec. 991.1 gt3 sales are nonexistent and we can already see high spec 991.2 gt3 being listed for sub 150k. I’m sure many would of thought these would of followed the trend of the 991.1 when new, theres huge numbers already for sale and that’s before they even allocate the second batch run of the 991.2 gt3
I guess the question we all need ask ourselves is supply now out weighing demand?
I’m sure many of your can remember the days when a 996 gt3 rs could be bought for 60k as it was only enthusiasts who wanted these cars and back then we had hardly any Porsche gt cars, look at how many are out there now!
Porsche won’t all this to happen.
Personally cannot see the buying frenzy of the 981gt4 and anyone who wants one will get one and there may even be unsold cars sitting in dealerships that's if it is a 4.0 version of the previous engine is fitted and I think base price will be £75k+
But there is no reason for Porsche not to put in the full fat Gt3 engine in the 718 gt4/ spyder with it being the last NA Porsche sportscar and charge circa £90k+ Now that would be a winner!
But there is no reason for Porsche not to put in the full fat Gt3 engine in the 718 gt4/ spyder with it being the last NA Porsche sportscar and charge circa £90k+ Now that would be a winner!
Don't forget there is a max ceiling price people will pay for a Cayman in contrast to a 911. By ref the most paid for a top spec clubsport 981 GT4 shortly after launch was £105k...Sones on here.
Porsche are not interested in residual pricing no more than they are interested in whether used 981 GT4 prices will be affected by the 718.
991.2 GT3 pricing rose c10 percent over the gen 1. I see the same and a bit more on the 718 GT4 so c£74k seems about right so reasonable specced cars without ceramics will be early £80s list. This also reflects the 718 role reversal pricing with the Boxster.
Porsche are not interested in residual pricing no more than they are interested in whether used 981 GT4 prices will be affected by the 718.
991.2 GT3 pricing rose c10 percent over the gen 1. I see the same and a bit more on the 718 GT4 so c£74k seems about right so reasonable specced cars without ceramics will be early £80s list. This also reflects the 718 role reversal pricing with the Boxster.
GT4RS said:
But what you need to remember is if they do make their next Porsche GT car a not ltd edition this will have a huge impact on values. I would love for this to happen to allow enthusiasts to be able to order one, just can’t see it though.
You said no ones buying 997 gt cars at the moment so prices of these would fall as people would just go out and buy a new gt4 car to their own spec. 991.1 gt3 sales are nonexistent and we can already see high spec 991.2 gt3 being listed for sub 150k. I’m sure many would of thought these would of followed the trend of the 991.1 when new, theres huge numbers already for sale and that’s before they even allocate the second batch run of the 991.2 gt3
I guess the question we all need ask ourselves is supply now out weighing demand?
I’m sure many of your can remember the days when a 996 gt3 rs could be bought for 60k as it was only enthusiasts who wanted these cars and back then we had hardly any Porsche gt cars, look at how many are out there now!
Porsche won’t all this to happen.
There are no more GT3 coming, we had the 2nd batch, mine was a late car on the new plate, only more RS coming people hope.You said no ones buying 997 gt cars at the moment so prices of these would fall as people would just go out and buy a new gt4 car to their own spec. 991.1 gt3 sales are nonexistent and we can already see high spec 991.2 gt3 being listed for sub 150k. I’m sure many would of thought these would of followed the trend of the 991.1 when new, theres huge numbers already for sale and that’s before they even allocate the second batch run of the 991.2 gt3
I guess the question we all need ask ourselves is supply now out weighing demand?
I’m sure many of your can remember the days when a 996 gt3 rs could be bought for 60k as it was only enthusiasts who wanted these cars and back then we had hardly any Porsche gt cars, look at how many are out there now!
Porsche won’t all this to happen.
It’s hard to see what will happen , but there are very few Manual Clubsport GT3 , most cars are PDK and dropping, the manual cars seems to be turning over and still a bit more money, imo this model will dry up as the right people end up in them, it has no equal so no where to go from here for me or the owners of the manual cars.
I would only swap to a cheaper GT4 just to free up money a little, but the spec would have to be high and it would have to have a new gearbox other wise I’ll run the GT3 for a few years.
If it drops £30k who cares that’s not even back to list on these cars.
I am sure we we’ll see no manual clubsports for sale if they did drop £30k, there are loads of people, and I know of a lot of people who would buy one at list or £5k over. It is a magical machine in manual.
TDT said:
I get what you are saying BUT.....
That unit was never used in Motorsport.... but the GT4 one was and still is, and the future one will be too....
GT3 engines are different beasts... and that’s great and I think they are amazing too.... but with respect to the 991.1(as they are the only 991 near 100k)...don’t ever call it a Motorsport engine and use it in arguement vs the GT4.
Gotcha . My thinking was that the GT4 engine was just the regular Carrera engine whereas the GT3 engine was built by the motorsport department .That unit was never used in Motorsport.... but the GT4 one was and still is, and the future one will be too....
GT3 engines are different beasts... and that’s great and I think they are amazing too.... but with respect to the 991.1(as they are the only 991 near 100k)...don’t ever call it a Motorsport engine and use it in arguement vs the GT4.
Edited by TDT on Sunday 26th August 09:10
I didn’t know the current GT4 engine was used for racing ?
FocusRS3 said:
Gotcha . My thinking was that the GT4 engine was just the regular Carrera engine whereas the GT3 engine was built by the motorsport department .
I didn’t know the current GT4 engine was used for racing ?
It's used for racing in the GT4 Clubsport, and it's exactly the same Carrera S engine as in the road car 911 and GT4/Spyder.I didn’t know the current GT4 engine was used for racing ?
So while it is used in Motorsport, it wasn't born there
TDT said:
I get what you are saying BUT.....
That unit was never used in Motorsport.... but the GT4 one was and still is, and the future one will be too....
GT3 engines are different beasts... and that’s great and I think they are amazing too.... but with respect to the 991.1(as they are the only 991 near 100k)...don’t ever call it a Motorsport engine and use it in arguement vs the GT4.
That unit is used in motorsport as of 2018, GT3 Cup etc, no longer mezger based. That unit was never used in Motorsport.... but the GT4 one was and still is, and the future one will be too....
GT3 engines are different beasts... and that’s great and I think they are amazing too.... but with respect to the 991.1(as they are the only 991 near 100k)...don’t ever call it a Motorsport engine and use it in arguement vs the GT4.
Edited by TDT on Sunday 26th August 09:10
TrackNutz said:
Incorrect, based on 991.1 GT3 onwards, gen2 was mainly valve train changes essentially.
GT3 Cup MY13 ran the 991.1 RS engine specifically. The RSR ran the Mezger.The new Gen2 engine came in the MY16 cars onwards.
So no vanilla GT3 unit.
Hope we can move on from the tangent now.
TDT said:
GT3 Cup MY13 ran the 991.1 RS engine specifically. The RSR ran the Mezger.
The new Gen2 engine came in the MY16 cars onwards.
So no vanilla GT3 unit.
Hope we can move on from the tangent now.
No the MY13 Cup did not run the .1 RS engine. The Cup still ran on the Mezger until last year when the gen 2 Cup was introduced. it was the GT3 R that first had the variation of the 9A1 RS engine I believe in motorsport.The new Gen2 engine came in the MY16 cars onwards.
So no vanilla GT3 unit.
Hope we can move on from the tangent now.
isaldiri said:
No the MY13 Cup did not run the .1 RS engine. The Cup still ran on the Mezger until last year when the gen 2 Cup was introduced.
Ok, the information I saw said it did... if it didn’t fine... main point then still stands...no vanilla 911.1 GT3 PU in official motorsport. Edited by TDT on Monday 27th August 20:39
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