The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

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Phooey

12,606 posts

170 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Can't believe some people are so bothered about how many .2 GT3s were built but FWIW my OPC reckoned at least 600. They are part of Sytner - largest share of Porsche dealerships in the UK, so I guess they would have a pretty good idea?

av185

18,514 posts

128 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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av185 said:
Don't forget the 'manuels' figures include Tourings too Richard.

Interesting there are now just 20 winged gen 2s for sale at OPCs.

As expected it appears the flippers went for PDK as there are 15 PDKs but only 5 'manuels' listed for sale of varying spec and price. Looks like we enthusiasts are hanging on to theirs.

Of these 5 cars only 1 is good spec CS but with steels in rather marmite Miami with red stitching, the remaining 4 are either poor spec have steels and or non buckets.

Asking prices remain static between £140k for poor spec non cs car with 11k miles through top £150ks to top £160ks for the proper spec sub 3k miles cars.

Colours: Gt silver 6, Miami 3, Crayon 2, Red 2, White 2, Sapphire 1, Graphite 1, Yellow 1, Black 1, Agate grey 1.

2 Tourings for sale at OPCs.

Edited by av185 on Sunday 30th December 17:47

RSVP911

8,192 posts

134 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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av185 said:
RSVP911 said:
No wonder no one has a clue - need a degree in “how many left” to follow that frown

Surprised there are more manuals than PDK’s. - doesn’t feel like that looking at how many for sale - I guess maybe manuals are less likely to be flipped maybe - who knows smile
Don't forget the 'manuels' figures include Tourings too Richard.

Interesting there are now just 20 winged gen 2s for sale at OPCs.

As expected it appears the flippers went for PDK as there are 15 PDKs but only 5 'manuels' listed for sale of varying spec and price.

Of these 5 cars only 1 is good spec CS but with steels in rather marmite Miami with red stitching, the remaining 4 are either poor spec have steels and or non buckets.

Asking prices remain static between £140k for poor spec non cs car with 11k miles through top £150ks to top £160ks for the proper spec sub 3k miles cars.
I have to admit there isn’t a winged car on the locator that I’d buy spec wise. It’s interesting, once you look for just a few things - say colour, brakes , CS , etc , how few cars there are to choose from. I can’t comment on prices - I don’t care & in truth it gets a bit boring, but I have to agree there actually isn’t loads of choice when it comes down to it smile

JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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GT cars seem in abundance to something like a Boxster GTS, was only 2 for sometime in OPC stock, now they have 3, and JZM have one so 4 in total. Why are BGTS numbers so little compared to any other modern day Porsche?

RSVP911

8,192 posts

134 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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JayK12 said:
GT cars seem in abundance to something like a Boxster GTS, was only 2 for sometime in OPC stock, now they have 3, and JZM have one so 4 in total. Why are BGTS numbers so little compared to any other modern day Porsche?
Not sure - that one at JZM had been there for months , I really like the colour, just not the price smile

GT4RS

4,435 posts

198 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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JayK12 said:
GT cars seem in abundance to something like a Boxster GTS, was only 2 for sometime in OPC stock, now they have 3, and JZM have one so 4 in total. Why are BGTS numbers so little compared to any other modern day Porsche?
Could it be due to the fact many were bought to try and make a few £ rather than to be used. Market changing and now these people are happy to more on as the car was never bought to drive unlike the average gts buyer who actually buys the car to use and enjoy.

Possibility?

JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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RSVP911 said:
JayK12 said:
GT cars seem in abundance to something like a Boxster GTS, was only 2 for sometime in OPC stock, now they have 3, and JZM have one so 4 in total. Why are BGTS numbers so little compared to any other modern day Porsche?
Not sure - that one at JZM had been there for months , I really like the colour, just not the price smile
I think it's not selling due to the colour. It's been around for long time. Seen others from Porsche sell above 50K with alot more miles.

RSVP911

8,192 posts

134 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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JayK12 said:
RSVP911 said:
JayK12 said:
GT cars seem in abundance to something like a Boxster GTS, was only 2 for sometime in OPC stock, now they have 3, and JZM have one so 4 in total. Why are BGTS numbers so little compared to any other modern day Porsche?
Not sure - that one at JZM had been there for months , I really like the colour, just not the price smile
I think it's not selling due to the colour. It's been around for long time. Seen others from Porsche sell above 50K with alot more miles.
Fair enough - just gone off the colour smile

JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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GT4RS said:
JayK12 said:
GT cars seem in abundance to something like a Boxster GTS, was only 2 for sometime in OPC stock, now they have 3, and JZM have one so 4 in total. Why are BGTS numbers so little compared to any other modern day Porsche?
Could it be due to the fact many were bought to try and make a few £ rather than to be used. Market changing and now these people are happy to more on as the car was never bought to drive unlike the average gts buyer who actually buys the car to use and enjoy.

Possibility?
Makes sense. Alot of owners on Porsche Owners UK always put never selling thier BGTS, would of though the same for the CGTS but there are quiet a few of them about compared.

I bought mine for the intention of driving as a weekend car, have looked around and can't find anything else that I think is worth the extra money after a test drive and don't like paying overs. So it's still here, unless a 718 Spyder is allocated then it might still be here.

Or there will be loads for sale in the summer.

BubblesNW

1,710 posts

184 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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New GT4 announced today according to a well informed and connected guy in the US.
Don’t know which country it will be announced in, where or at what time. Let’s see if he’s right.
driving

BubblesNW

1,710 posts

184 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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anonymous said:
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The guys piloting the clubsport cars are taking delivery tomorrow so that should at least give us some clues on engine, power etc if not the finer details and differences with the road car. The 981 clubsport was fairly close to the road car.

Mrsnoopy

41 posts

104 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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The 718 gt4 clubsport is being released tomorrow 1/3 at Daytona in Florida (USA). No info on the road car.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

105 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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anonymous said:
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My understanding is that for a large scale manufacturer (e.g. Porsche) in GT4 racing the engine in the race car must be the same as the road car. Exceptions can be made but it's rare and only likely for small volume manufacturers.

Whatever engine the race car is launched with today is the one the road car will have.

Fokker

3,460 posts

223 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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GT4RS said:
Can you confirm how you know the pdk box won’t be a spec option for the new 718 gt4?
Walliser told me at Goodwood, no PDK option on the GT4 again

Fokker

3,460 posts

223 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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Twinfan said:
My understanding is that for a large scale manufacturer (e.g. Porsche) in GT4 racing the engine in the race car must be the same as the road car. Exceptions can be made but it's rare and only likely for small volume manufacturers.

Whatever engine the race car is launched with today is the one the road car will have.
Yes should be interesting. As they told me, it's a 4 litre, strong up to 6k revs.
They said they've put a lot of work into it and that it was 'new'. I'd imagine that it'll have a lot of what the 3.8 had but just a few new developments.

I'm in no way expecting it to rev like a GT3 unit but still, should be good and faster than the current car which is a good thing. Not that its slow, it could just do with another 50bhp, which is hopefully what it might get?

JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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Fokker said:
Twinfan said:
My understanding is that for a large scale manufacturer (e.g. Porsche) in GT4 racing the engine in the race car must be the same as the road car. Exceptions can be made but it's rare and only likely for small volume manufacturers.

Whatever engine the race car is launched with today is the one the road car will have.
Yes should be interesting. As they told me, it's a 4 litre, strong up to 6k revs.
They said they've put a lot of work into it and that it was 'new'. I'd imagine that it'll have a lot of what the 3.8 had but just a few new developments.

I'm in no way expecting it to rev like a GT3 unit but still, should be good and faster than the current car which is a good thing. Not that its slow, it could just do with another 50bhp, which is hopefully what it might get?
Strong up to 6K? Sounds like a diesel. I really hope its strong up to at least 7800rpm. Unsure on Porsche engines but hopefully they work on stroke for displacement so you can have a lighter crack/rod/piston assembly but get higher revs, not big heavy pistons which don't like alot of RPM but give displacement. Doesn't make sense to say a 4.0 NA in a sports car will be strong up to 6K.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

105 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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Large displacement and no lightweight internals would give you an engine strong in low revs with no top end. That would also explain the sound of the mules we've heard.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

103 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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There is no way in hell that i'll chop in my glorious 9K revving GT3 in for a 718GT4..

TDT

4,939 posts

120 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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Most of the projections have been that if it’s the 4.0, it will have similar rev limit as the 3.8 or maybe chopped to 7500. Just that the curves will all be moved up as a result of the increase in displacement. Gearing will remain the same.
We only have to look at the 4.0 conversions to get a view.

If they do 4.0 + X51 powerkit type work then it will be interesting… will they also increase the rev limit? as they traditionally do with the power kit.

Not long to go before we hear about the power plant.

TDT

4,939 posts

120 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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Taffy66 said:
There is no way in hell that i'll chop in my glorious 9K revving GT3 in for a 718GT4..
Unless you want the money out of the GT3.
Aside from that you’re right… GT4 is intended to be sub GT3 so far.
GT3 engine also, is what, 40-60% the cost of the GT4?