The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

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gtsralph

1,186 posts

144 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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Fokker said:
If they’ve had to develop a new engine, even if it is based on the old MA1, it’ll be more expensive. It’s not just a Carrera S engine off the shelf this time. Also gives them an excuse to hike the price.

£90k with options I think. So what £75-78k base

All guesswork!
I am not sure that the production cost of the new engine will be higher, certainly they'll have the vehicle's development costs. Hasn't the 991 generation GT3 engine crankcase (and 991.2 and 718) moved to softer alloy and ion plasma coated cylinders for lower cost and reduced friction? You can get to 4.0L with same bore using the 997 base crank design and different rods, so perhaps the engine is a "relatively" simple evolution of the old Carrera S 3.8L adopting latest spec castings.

Fokker

3,460 posts

222 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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gtsralph said:
I am not sure that the production cost of the new engine will be higher, certainly they'll have the vehicle's development costs. Hasn't the 991 generation GT3 engine crankcase (and 991.2 and 718) moved to softer alloy and ion plasma coated cylinders for lower cost and reduced friction? You can get to 4.0L with same bore using the 997 base crank design and different rods, so perhaps the engine is a "relatively" simple evolution of the old Carrera S 3.8L adopting latest spec castings.
Who knows and I guess that the GT3 991.2 only increased £10k in price with a newly developed engine so perhaps we will be lucky and it'll be £70k base plus options although there have been some shifts in economic circumstances since then.

It won't be silly money for sure and there will be a bun fight just because its going to be a very good car never mind those wanting to make a profit.

isaldiri

18,580 posts

168 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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Fokker said:
Who knows and I guess that the GT3 991.2 only increased £10k in price with a newly developed engine
What newly developed engine......?

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

265 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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isaldiri said:
What newly developed engine......?
the 991.2 engine over the 991.1 engine.

isaldiri

18,580 posts

168 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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It's a tweaked variant of the old engine not a 'newly developed' one....

TDT

4,935 posts

119 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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isaldiri said:
What newly developed engine......?
Porsche911R said:
the 991.2 engine over the 991.1 engine.
isaldiri said:
It's a tweaked variant of the old engine not a 'newly developed' one....
Along with the meaning of life... the second most important question is ....How many parts have to be changed to call an engine, a new engine?

If they have a different designation?

Edited by TDT on Friday 1st February 12:00

av185

18,514 posts

127 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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TDT said:
Along with the meaning of life... the second most important question is ....How many parts have to be changed to call an engine, a new engine?

If they have a different designation?

Edited by TDT on Friday 1st February 12:00
'Triggers broom' not applicable here!

TDT

4,935 posts

119 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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av185 said:
TDT said:
Along with the meaning of life... the second most important question is ....How many parts have to be changed to call an engine, a new engine?

If they have a different designation?

Edited by TDT on Friday 1st February 12:00
'Triggers broom' not applicable here!
LOL.

TDT

4,935 posts

119 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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anonymous said:
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The 3.0 F6T is MA2 isn't it? so that is actually different - i.e. more that 2 turbo strapped onto the MA1.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

265 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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isaldiri said:
It's a tweaked variant of the old engine not a 'newly developed' one....
just like the new GT4 one will be.

GT4P

5,203 posts

185 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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What constitutes a 'new engine' ? The MA2 I would assume would have been toughened on internals ie liners to take the increased power from turbos, the engine has also been designed to allow 4 and 6 cylinders and various capacities, so while the basic casing, valve train etc may remain as before is it a new engine or a tweaked MA1?

GT4RS

4,425 posts

197 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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Porsche are very good at improving what they already have, each generation gets improved and tweaked. But as others say technically the engines basic platform remains the same.

The gt4 should end up being one hell of a good car for its price point, I think the demand will be higher than the last model.


finmac

1,514 posts

238 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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Surely not £90K, even Porsche would find it hard to justify a 40% price rise over previous car.

Wouldn’t be for me for sure at that number.....

GameofCars

850 posts

109 months

Saturday 2nd February 2019
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finmac said:
Surely not £90K, even Porsche would find it hard to justify a 40% price rise over previous car.

Wouldn’t be for me for sure at that number.....
Porsche typically don't do that. They are modest when they bring out a new iteration - modest in power upgrade & modest in price increase. I doubt very much the 718 GT4 base price will touch £80K.

cormeist

830 posts

101 months

Saturday 2nd February 2019
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GameofCars said:
Porsche typically don't do that. They are modest when they bring out a new iteration - modest in power upgrade & modest in price increase. I doubt very much the 718 GT4 base price will touch £80K.
Agree. I think a price incremental in line with the 992 compared to 991

rkwm1

Original Poster:

1,476 posts

102 months

Sunday 3rd February 2019
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_Superleggera_ said:
Porsche Marketing plan says Goodwood launch for GT4.....
Is the 718 gt4 ever coming ?tumbleweed

Fokker

3,460 posts

222 months

Tuesday 5th February 2019
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rkwm1 said:
Is the 718 gt4 ever coming ?tumbleweed
May reveal and goodwood launch

rkwm1

Original Poster:

1,476 posts

102 months

Tuesday 5th February 2019
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Fokker said:
May reveal and goodwood launch
So what will be launched at Geneva, Speedster and Cayenne coupe?

Cazooch

163 posts

111 months

Wednesday 6th February 2019
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Turbo S

giles panizzi

323 posts

233 months

Wednesday 6th February 2019
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Cazooch said:
Turbo S
Have you still got your 911R?