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Porsche911R said:
can we get way from that question also ;-) when the cars released we will see what engine it will have :-) no need for 174 pages of rumours
Has anybody seen any new test pics? In a different colour maybe? Any sound clips? Any updates on release? Goodwood maybe? Anybody going, I am? But please don't discuss the engine options here, pointless - not relevant!
jcosh said:
I have tried to mention this to my OPC as a design fault, but they pretty much laughed me out of the door. Saying it is a wear and tare situation. I don't agree.
I took the same issue up with Porsche UK. My GT4 with PCCB suffered this issue with 7 miles on the clock and has suffered it multiple times since. I had my OPC document the damage (only on the front wheels) and submitted that so it could not be discredited as evidence. PCGB maintained they had never heard of this issue so I collected up 30 examples and a long ass thread on Rennlist and submitted it to them to confirm it was not isolated.I wasn't confrontational, I appreciate that the tolerances are what they are but had hoped for a design fix and didn't want to perpetually refurb for it to only happen again. It was referred to Porsche technical in Germany (allegedly) and I was told that it was their final position and if I wanted to take it to the motor ombudsman, that was my only option.
I even had my dealer speak to them and confirm that the car had not been tracked after this but they wouldn't budge. Koenigsegg have engineered a channel to address this issue and I'm surprised that Porsche haven't considered this as an option either.
Mutema said:
jcosh said:
I have tried to mention this to my OPC as a design fault, but they pretty much laughed me out of the door. Saying it is a wear and tare situation. I don't agree.
I took the same issue up with Porsche UK. My GT4 with PCCB suffered this issue with 7 miles on the clock and has suffered it multiple times since. I had my OPC document the damage (only on the front wheels) and submitted that so it could not be discredited as evidence. PCGB maintained they had never heard of this issue so I collected up 30 examples and a long ass thread on Rennlist and submitted it to them to confirm it was not isolated.I wasn't confrontational, I appreciate that the tolerances are what they are but had hoped for a design fix and didn't want to perpetually refurb for it to only happen again. It was referred to Porsche technical in Germany (allegedly) and I was told that it was their final position and if I wanted to take it to the motor ombudsman, that was my only option.
I even had my dealer speak to them and confirm that the car had not been tracked after this but they wouldn't budge. Koenigsegg have engineered a channel to address this issue and I'm surprised that Porsche haven't considered this as an option either.
My OPC were very dismissive of the issue and not at all supportive. And as I say they had a brand new GT2RS in the showroom with one wheel scored before it was even delivered. It's an issue for sure, all be it only a cosmetic one. I, surpassed there hast been fuss about this form other owners, if there has its passed me by.
jcosh said:
That's very interesting. It certainly isn't a one off! Pretty much all Porsche GT cars suffer this as its pretty much unavoidable unless a complete garage queen. I suspect that the newer non GT (991.2 and 992) cars will also suffer the same fate as they also the large sized PCCB's.
My OPC were very dismissive of the issue and not at all supportive. And as I say they had a brand new GT2RS in the showroom with one wheel scored before it was even delivered. It's an issue for sure, all be it only a cosmetic one. I, surpassed there hast been fuss about this form other owners, if there has its passed me by.
keep on topic ;-pMy OPC were very dismissive of the issue and not at all supportive. And as I say they had a brand new GT2RS in the showroom with one wheel scored before it was even delivered. It's an issue for sure, all be it only a cosmetic one. I, surpassed there hast been fuss about this form other owners, if there has its passed me by.
to offer my view I have done 8k miles in modern GT cars and have not seen a issue as yet regarding wheels scores. but I know a few who have.
jcosh said:
Has anybody seen any new test pics? In a different colour maybe? Any sound clips? Any updates on release? Goodwood maybe? Anybody going, I am?
Nothing new in the last few days, the latest videos I've seen I posted on page 188 of this thread. Test mules are always black, we only see coloured versions at launch.Goodwood is still the rumoured presentation of the GT4 and Spyder in the flesh, but not necessarily the launch for allocations.
jcosh said:
That's very interesting. It certainly isn't a one off! Pretty much all Porsche GT cars suffer this as its pretty much unavoidable unless a complete garage queen. I suspect that the newer non GT (991.2 and 992) cars will also suffer the same fate as they also the large sized PCCB's.
My OPC were very dismissive of the issue and not at all supportive. And as I say they had a brand new GT2RS in the showroom with one wheel scored before it was even delivered. It's an issue for sure, all be it only a cosmetic one. I, surpassed there hast been fuss about this form other owners, if there has its passed me by.
The engineer working on my car hadn't seen this before and we walked the lot, found 3 GT4s with PCCB and two had the issue and there were 11 other cars - GT3/GT2 with scoring, all various levels. He was totally on side with my argument and understood the basis of my concern. My OPC were very dismissive of the issue and not at all supportive. And as I say they had a brand new GT2RS in the showroom with one wheel scored before it was even delivered. It's an issue for sure, all be it only a cosmetic one. I, surpassed there hast been fuss about this form other owners, if there has its passed me by.
I thought about refurbing under a tyre/wheel policy I have and then swapping the wheels to HRE or BBS. I spoke to Manthey directly about the issue to see if they had experienced issues with the BBS FI-R they fit and then directly to BBS to see if there were tolerance issues. Neither claimed to have ever seen any issue which given the extent of the Rennlist thread alone surprises me.
Drop me a DM if you'd like to continue this conversation.
Porsche911R said:
keep on topic ;-p
to offer my view I have done 8k miles in modern GT cars and have not seen a issue as yet regarding wheels scores. but I know a few who have.
Interesting, maybe you only use your cars on days with perfect weather and perfect road conditions or are incredibly lucky. If you were drive across the alps in spring, it is unavoidable. Same for up in Scotland, you do really well to avoid the issue. to offer my view I have done 8k miles in modern GT cars and have not seen a issue as yet regarding wheels scores. but I know a few who have.
Twinfan said:
jcosh said:
Has anybody seen any new test pics? In a different colour maybe? Any sound clips? Any updates on release? Goodwood maybe? Anybody going, I am?
Nothing new in the last few days, the latest videos I've seen I posted on page 188 of this thread. Test mules are always black, we only see coloured versions at launch.Goodwood is still the rumoured presentation of the GT4 and Spyder in the flesh, but not necessarily the launch for allocations.
Twinfan said:
From a UK poster on Rennlist, no source mentioned:
Goodwood, 4.0, 420 ps, manual only to start (PDK later). Multiple year production run.
Flipping and more crucially OVERS will be dead. Everyone that wants one - can order one during a time window. Good.Goodwood, 4.0, 420 ps, manual only to start (PDK later). Multiple year production run.
Might also indicate that is supply is not really limited for the GT4 from the outset.... a more limited version will also be coming... as Porsche know how to cream the market.
Edited by TDT on Wednesday 12th June 14:25
TDT said:
Flipping and more crucially OVERS will be dead. Everyone that wants one - can order one during a time window. Good.
Assuming that means much larger numbers, does that support the (eventually much rarer) 981 GT4 pricing? Or does everyone "upgrade" to the later model and the 981s fall like stones?I'm all for the 981 GT4 being rarer 
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Here is my trapped stone story https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Twinfan said:
If true that would make a lot of sense and is a great idea. If the production window is 18+ months, as this poster suggests, it completely removes the flipper and overs market.
I'm not so sure a more limited version would be on the cards. It's not a 911.
RS swansong for the ICE in the Cayster - before the all new all electric replacement.I'm not so sure a more limited version would be on the cards. It's not a 911.
Twinfan said:
As it's essentially a 981.2, I would expect 981 GT4 prices to drop. How far depends on the price of the new car IMHO.
Yep depends on the price of the new car.In terms of technical advancement between the new car and the 981 it remains to be seen on the road car - but on the race car it is not that much other than the uplift in power.... everything else is the same. And any power deficit can be easily addressed on the 981 probably for much less than the difference between the 981 and the 718.
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