The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
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Cunno said:
You could argue that the 7.2 has traction control as well as stability control and an up graded PASM and this could be derived as less raw?
The ESC/TC can be switched off! So it's neither here nor there in terms of rawness I'd have thought. Fair enough about the PASM I admit, I haven't spent enough time in the .1 to comment on that but there were also different springs/damping rates and ARB on the .2 so it's not just a PASM issue I guess but overall suspension setup. Personally I tend to find 'rawness' a generational thing, the 996 is a good deal more than the 997 which is more than the 991 which presumably will be more than the 992. But i really do think there's little to nothing in it between generations.
isaldiri said:
Cunno said:
You could argue that the 7.2 has traction control as well as stability control and an up graded PASM and this could be derived as less raw?
The ESC/TC can be switched off! So it's neither here nor there in terms of rawness I'd have thought. Fair enough about the PASM I admit, I haven't spent enough time in the .1 to comment on that but there were also different springs/damping rates and ARB on the .2 so it's not just a PASM issue I guess but overall suspension setup. Personally I tend to find 'rawness' a generational thing, the 996 is a good deal more than the 997 which is more than the 991 which presumably will be more than the 992. But i really do think there's little to nothing in it between generations.
P.S can you really turn off the ESC /TC on either car, there's plenty of talk a few years back on Rennlist which came to the conclusion that off didn't actually turn it off fully hence the excessive rear brake wear. Wonder if that applies to the ESC on the 7.2
TrackNutz said:
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Cunno said:
P.S can you really turn off the ESC /TC on either car, there's plenty of talk a few years back on Rennlist which came to the conclusion that off didn't actually turn it off fully hence the excessive rear brake wear. Wonder if that applies to the ESC on the 7.2
I think it can pretty much fully be off yes. The rear brake wear is much more a diff issue more than ESC I think. I had went through rear pads at an insane rate until I changed to the guards diff and now the rear brakes are wearing normally and I don't get that strange feeling of 'something' going on with the rear of the car anymore. Entirely possible the car is still messing with something but not that I can notice anyway so I assume it isn't happening! 
isaldiri said:
I think it can pretty much fully be off yes. The rear brake wear is much more a diff issue more than ESC I think. I had went through rear pads at an insane rate until I changed to the guards diff and now the rear brakes are wearing normally and I don't get that strange feeling of 'something' going on with the rear of the car anymore. Entirely possible the car is still messing with something but not that I can notice anyway so I assume it isn't happening!
if you go in too hot PTV will take over, if you drive to the cars limits correctly and enter a corner correctly you don't see the brake wear in the rear.I find on track days it's the people who cannot drive that well leaning on the PTV to get them round as they understeer into every bend PTV brakes the inside rear. 987.2 and 997.2 did not have PTV they did a different thing with the rears which is why PSM off is a must do when driving a 997/987.
hence why people who over drive 981/991's etc get though 4 sets of rears vs 1 set fronts, it's just bad driving. You can normally spot the cars as the front tyres are shagged with all the tread bent over backwards and blue rear disks :-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 13th June 12:22
TDT said:
Just gonna leave this here.... https://youtu.be/71yqHdbothM
Superb. To be honest our 6 day Scotland trip in the 981 BGTS sounded much the same. anonymous said:
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Exactly this off is not fully off on the 997 by installing different ramp angles in the diff ie guard which is what I have the issue of brake wear is eliminated as the diff is now doing what it should.911R
If you run with the electronics on then your comments hold up but we are walking 997 with all aids off, on these cars the diff isn’t as aggressive as the 996 cars and the TC comes in to assist the diff whether it’s turned off or not, hence you up the ramp angles to mimic 996 problem solved.
Cunno said:
Exactly this off is not fully off on the 997 by installing different ramp angles in the diff ie guard which is what I have the issue of brake wear is eliminated as the diff is now doing what it should.
911R
If you run with the electronics on then your comments hold up but we are walking 997 with all aids off, on these cars the diff isn’t as aggressive as the 996 cars and the TC comes in to assist the diff whether it’s turned off or not, hence you up the ramp angles to mimic 996 problem solved.
that's not PTV though that's PSM crap issues ;-), and can be disabled with the yaw control fuse, really for a tracked car you need yaw off and ABS off in the 987/997's911R
If you run with the electronics on then your comments hold up but we are walking 997 with all aids off, on these cars the diff isn’t as aggressive as the 996 cars and the TC comes in to assist the diff whether it’s turned off or not, hence you up the ramp angles to mimic 996 problem solved.
I found it very frustrating in my 987 Spyder, there was always one bend on every track which trigger PSM even though it was off.
if a diff gets round PSM cutting back in that's great on the 987/997 platforms. but not sure how it does as it's controlled by YAW angles vs steering angle
I gave up trying to fix it as I stopped tracking the car anyway.
anonymous said:
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my take on it (and I have no idea if it's correct) is that esc and the diff simulation via brakes is seperate. With the oem diff, whether or not esc is on the rear brakes are always going to be doing something to replicate the effect of a stronger diff and that can't be switched off. With the upgraded diff, the brake sensors or whatever that is supposed to replicate the diff effect aren't triggered so with esc off the rear brakes stay off. One could argue I suppose that diff activation via brakes is esc but I think anyway with the upgraded diff the car isn't doing anything with the rear brakes any longer so that's good enough for me to feel it's esc being properly off!TDT said:
Just gonna leave this here.... https://youtu.be/71yqHdbothM
How on earth did they survive with their "peasant" spec steel brakes? Beefmeister said:
Is there any more info on when the new GT4 will be revealed? Seems to be languishing in the ether at the moment...
With Type Approval 6d Temp ending December 31 this year and 6d (with tighter RDE test parameters) applying from January 1, 2020 for new vehicle models, we can only hope they get it launched very soon. Also I wonder if the PDK option requires a separate Type Approval.gtsralph said:
With Type Approval 6d Temp ending December 31 this year and 6d (with tighter RDE test parameters) applying from January 1, 2020 for new vehicle models, we can only hope they get it launched very soon. Also I wonder if the PDK option requires a separate Type Approval.
I'm pretty sure PDK will need its own approval, probably why people are saying it will be a later option with manual first.Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff