The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
Discussion
Taffy66 said:
Porsche911R said:
you wont find a time for a manual as the fastest times will be posted by PDK cars.
the GT3 991.2 as an example is 4/10th faster on fastlaps then the booked speed 10.6 vs 11.0
either way the 420BHP GT4 looks a tad too slow even if we look at book times only as they are a dead heat to 100kph at 4.4 each.
at to 200 only 7/10th in it an way !! I think people were after a tad more for the £10k increase and headline 420ps figure.
It's impressive that Porsche cars can go faster than book as every other car it's impossible to match booked times so that's nice in a way.
but if we take 1/2 a second off the 13.8 and pretend it can do 13.3 is that impressive enough a gain for people to be happy. ? I cannot answer that, just posting times for people.
the 718GTS has a fastlaps 200 time of 13.8 also.
one of my cars which is a good bench mark is the 991.1 GTS so about the same power and has a fat ass is 13.0 seconds dead but a PDk time.
I guess the new GT4 is about on par with a 997.1 GT3 which has a 13.6 time. the 997.2 GT3 has a big drop to 12.3 over both.
when you look at Macca's every thing looks slow 0-200 in 8.4 for the 600lt :-) that's just crazy.
Since your so keen to quote Fastest Laps for performance figures may i inform you that a standard 458 Italia does 0-100mph in 6.2 secs and 0-200kph in an astonishing 9.2 secs according to the same website...I own both 991.2GT3 PDK and 458 Italia and know firsthand that the Fiat is the faster car but not to that extent..the GT3 991.2 as an example is 4/10th faster on fastlaps then the booked speed 10.6 vs 11.0
either way the 420BHP GT4 looks a tad too slow even if we look at book times only as they are a dead heat to 100kph at 4.4 each.
at to 200 only 7/10th in it an way !! I think people were after a tad more for the £10k increase and headline 420ps figure.
It's impressive that Porsche cars can go faster than book as every other car it's impossible to match booked times so that's nice in a way.
but if we take 1/2 a second off the 13.8 and pretend it can do 13.3 is that impressive enough a gain for people to be happy. ? I cannot answer that, just posting times for people.
the 718GTS has a fastlaps 200 time of 13.8 also.
one of my cars which is a good bench mark is the 991.1 GTS so about the same power and has a fat ass is 13.0 seconds dead but a PDk time.
I guess the new GT4 is about on par with a 997.1 GT3 which has a 13.6 time. the 997.2 GT3 has a big drop to 12.3 over both.
when you look at Macca's every thing looks slow 0-200 in 8.4 for the 600lt :-) that's just crazy.
993rsr said:
Taffy66 said:
Porsche911R said:
you wont find a time for a manual as the fastest times will be posted by PDK cars.
the GT3 991.2 as an example is 4/10th faster on fastlaps then the booked speed 10.6 vs 11.0
either way the 420BHP GT4 looks a tad too slow even if we look at book times only as they are a dead heat to 100kph at 4.4 each.
at to 200 only 7/10th in it an way !! I think people were after a tad more for the £10k increase and headline 420ps figure.
It's impressive that Porsche cars can go faster than book as every other car it's impossible to match booked times so that's nice in a way.
but if we take 1/2 a second off the 13.8 and pretend it can do 13.3 is that impressive enough a gain for people to be happy. ? I cannot answer that, just posting times for people.
the 718GTS has a fastlaps 200 time of 13.8 also.
one of my cars which is a good bench mark is the 991.1 GTS so about the same power and has a fat ass is 13.0 seconds dead but a PDk time.
I guess the new GT4 is about on par with a 997.1 GT3 which has a 13.6 time. the 997.2 GT3 has a big drop to 12.3 over both.
when you look at Macca's every thing looks slow 0-200 in 8.4 for the 600lt :-) that's just crazy.
Since your so keen to quote Fastest Laps for performance figures may i inform you that a standard 458 Italia does 0-100mph in 6.2 secs and 0-200kph in an astonishing 9.2 secs according to the same website...I own both 991.2GT3 PDK and 458 Italia and know firsthand that the Fiat is the faster car but not to that extent..the GT3 991.2 as an example is 4/10th faster on fastlaps then the booked speed 10.6 vs 11.0
either way the 420BHP GT4 looks a tad too slow even if we look at book times only as they are a dead heat to 100kph at 4.4 each.
at to 200 only 7/10th in it an way !! I think people were after a tad more for the £10k increase and headline 420ps figure.
It's impressive that Porsche cars can go faster than book as every other car it's impossible to match booked times so that's nice in a way.
but if we take 1/2 a second off the 13.8 and pretend it can do 13.3 is that impressive enough a gain for people to be happy. ? I cannot answer that, just posting times for people.
the 718GTS has a fastlaps 200 time of 13.8 also.
one of my cars which is a good bench mark is the 991.1 GTS so about the same power and has a fat ass is 13.0 seconds dead but a PDk time.
I guess the new GT4 is about on par with a 997.1 GT3 which has a 13.6 time. the 997.2 GT3 has a big drop to 12.3 over both.
when you look at Macca's every thing looks slow 0-200 in 8.4 for the 600lt :-) that's just crazy.
I'm really keen on the new GT4, especially after how good the last one was. I even took the time to spec one to my desired spec, all £85,694's worth!
But, as has been mentioned before, the issue of who get's one & who is allowed to buy one is the biggest worry. I've heard of one person who only wants a new GT4 & nothing else, basically being told he's not allowed to buy one at one OPC because they are "models that we do an invitation to purchase. We offer these vehicles to our loyal customers who have bought 10 vehicles and use us for servicing. Unfortunately we can't off the availability to first time customers.
It's basically like being told you "can't spend your cash on what you want/we don't want your money, go away & order a gazillion cars you don't want to earn points on a silly points system before we can consider allowing you to buy one." I hate that attitude & that put's customers off buying a Porsche (or anything) for life! Especially from OPC's who think this is a great idea.
That's me possibly out of the running! Ah well, there's more then enough used 981 GT4's out there for the unfortunate load out there.
But, as has been mentioned before, the issue of who get's one & who is allowed to buy one is the biggest worry. I've heard of one person who only wants a new GT4 & nothing else, basically being told he's not allowed to buy one at one OPC because they are "models that we do an invitation to purchase. We offer these vehicles to our loyal customers who have bought 10 vehicles and use us for servicing. Unfortunately we can't off the availability to first time customers.
It's basically like being told you "can't spend your cash on what you want/we don't want your money, go away & order a gazillion cars you don't want to earn points on a silly points system before we can consider allowing you to buy one." I hate that attitude & that put's customers off buying a Porsche (or anything) for life! Especially from OPC's who think this is a great idea.
That's me possibly out of the running! Ah well, there's more then enough used 981 GT4's out there for the unfortunate load out there.
theDOCTOR said:
Never been into Top trumps conversations, it usually comes with the phrase "watch this". At the end of the day people with buy the car they want and its not usually down to the times on a spreadsheet. I would suggest waiting for the reviews to hit the streets before any judgement is made on how fast/slow the car is.
I did not bring the times and performance up , a lot of people seem disappointed in the GT4 quoted times vs the last car, all I have done is posted some times from known porkers as a reference. When all the big manufacturers are chasing ring rings and spend millions for 5 seconds there is some thing in it which has an interest for some. At the end of the day for the punter we end up in better cars with more R and D in them
Due to these times.
The new GT4 must have done 1000's ring laps and has gained 10 seconds over the old car.
I find it quite interesting the ring battles between manafactures. Does not mean I buy the cars which post the times as I buy manuals.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 19th June 20:36
RSD 25 said:
I'm really keen on the new GT4, especially after how good the last one was. I even took the time to spec one to my desired spec, all £85,694's worth!
But, as has been mentioned before, the issue of who get's one & who is allowed to buy one is the biggest worry. I've heard of one person who only wants a new GT4 & nothing else, basically being told he's not allowed to buy one at one OPC because they are "models that we do an invitation to purchase. We offer these vehicles to our loyal customers who have bought 10 vehicles and use us for servicing. Unfortunately we can't off the availability to first time customers.
It's basically like being told you "can't spend your cash on what you want/we don't want your money, go away & order a gazillion cars you don't want to earn points on a silly points system before we can consider allowing you to buy one." I hate that attitude & that put's customers off buying a Porsche (or anything) for life! Especially from OPC's who think this is a great idea.
That's me possibly out of the running! Ah well, there's more then enough used 981 GT4's out there for the unfortunate load out there.
Pay the extra and get the black aluminium trim inside. Go for things that only the GT model offers, rather than the stock bright aluminium. And do the brake callipers in black as that flash of red doesn’t work against the blue. But, as has been mentioned before, the issue of who get's one & who is allowed to buy one is the biggest worry. I've heard of one person who only wants a new GT4 & nothing else, basically being told he's not allowed to buy one at one OPC because they are "models that we do an invitation to purchase. We offer these vehicles to our loyal customers who have bought 10 vehicles and use us for servicing. Unfortunately we can't off the availability to first time customers.
It's basically like being told you "can't spend your cash on what you want/we don't want your money, go away & order a gazillion cars you don't want to earn points on a silly points system before we can consider allowing you to buy one." I hate that attitude & that put's customers off buying a Porsche (or anything) for life! Especially from OPC's who think this is a great idea.
That's me possibly out of the running! Ah well, there's more then enough used 981 GT4's out there for the unfortunate load out there.
Responding to an earlier post don't want to get into a debate about it but
"I can only go off times on the net and fastlaps show times which have been achieved, and the 0-200 981 is at 13.7 while the book speed for the 718 is 13.8 as it stands."
If fastest laps posted 0.8 sec increase over brochure speed for the 981 then expect to see the same for 718 ie 13.0
Just noticed someone posted fastest laps for the 991.1gts pdk as 13.0 , so expect the 718gt4 will be just as quick especially in pdk form!
"I can only go off times on the net and fastlaps show times which have been achieved, and the 0-200 981 is at 13.7 while the book speed for the 718 is 13.8 as it stands."
If fastest laps posted 0.8 sec increase over brochure speed for the 981 then expect to see the same for 718 ie 13.0
Just noticed someone posted fastest laps for the 991.1gts pdk as 13.0 , so expect the 718gt4 will be just as quick especially in pdk form!
Edited by GT4P on Wednesday 19th June 21:16
RSD 25 said:
I'm really keen on the new GT4, especially after how good the last one was. I even took the time to spec one.
But, as has been mentioned before, the issue of who get's one & who is allowed to buy one is the biggest worry. I've heard of one person who only wants a new GT4 & nothing else, basically being told he's not allowed to buy one at one OPC because they are "models that we do an invitation to purchase. We offer these vehicles to our loyal customers who have bought 10 vehicles and use us for servicing. Unfortunately we can't off the availability to first time customers.
It's basically like being told you "can't spend your cash on what you want/we don't want your money, go away & order a gazillion cars you don't want to earn points on a silly points system before we can consider allowing you to buy one." I hate that attitude & that put's customers off buying a Porsche (or anything) for life! Especially from OPC's who think this is a great idea.
It is a great idea from a business perspective as it adds to the branding hype and overall bunfight. But, as has been mentioned before, the issue of who get's one & who is allowed to buy one is the biggest worry. I've heard of one person who only wants a new GT4 & nothing else, basically being told he's not allowed to buy one at one OPC because they are "models that we do an invitation to purchase. We offer these vehicles to our loyal customers who have bought 10 vehicles and use us for servicing. Unfortunately we can't off the availability to first time customers.
It's basically like being told you "can't spend your cash on what you want/we don't want your money, go away & order a gazillion cars you don't want to earn points on a silly points system before we can consider allowing you to buy one." I hate that attitude & that put's customers off buying a Porsche (or anything) for life! Especially from OPC's who think this is a great idea.
It actually encourages customers to buy cars which is the whole idea!
RSD 25 said:
But, as has been mentioned before, the issue of who get's one & who is allowed to buy one is the biggest worry. I've heard of one person who only wants a new GT4 & nothing else, basically being told he's not allowed to buy one at one OPC because they are "models that we do an invitation to purchase. We offer these vehicles to our loyal customers who have bought 10 vehicles and use us for servicing. Unfortunately we can't off the availability to first time customers.
It's basically like being told you "can't spend your cash on what you want/we don't want your money, go away & order a gazillion cars you don't want to earn points on a silly points system before we can consider allowing you to buy one." I hate that attitude & that put's customers off buying a Porsche (or anything) for life! Especially from OPC's who think this is a great idea.
I've never understood the fuss. You think a random person should get priority over a loyal customer? In what other form of business would you expect and be content with the same outcome?It's basically like being told you "can't spend your cash on what you want/we don't want your money, go away & order a gazillion cars you don't want to earn points on a silly points system before we can consider allowing you to buy one." I hate that attitude & that put's customers off buying a Porsche (or anything) for life! Especially from OPC's who think this is a great idea.
The only thing to be justifiably upset about is if said "loyal" customer then flips quickly for a profit.
thelostboy said:
I've never understood the fuss. You think a random person should get priority over a loyal customer? In what other form of business would you expect and be content with the same outcome?
The only thing to be justifiably upset about is if said "loyal" customer then flips quickly for a profit.
This is a very good sensible post and not just because i agree with it 100%..Loyalty deserves loyalty in return IMOThe only thing to be justifiably upset about is if said "loyal" customer then flips quickly for a profit.
I do think it's a problem if you're the kind of person who knows the kind of car he/she wants, has (or can justify spending) the money to buy one, but has no need or desire (never mind the means) to buy other, or different, kinds of cars from Porsche in order to actually order, buy (new to your own spec) and use the car you actually want.
The risk (to Porsche) is that people like that then choose to abandon Porsche altogether and go and buy an Exige (or whatever). I love how Caymans feel and drive and I don't want anything else from Porsche - other than a manual GT3 (which I asked for, but unsurprisingly did not get).
I'm pleased to have my 981 GT4 and I'd like to swap it for a new 718 GT4
The risk (to Porsche) is that people like that then choose to abandon Porsche altogether and go and buy an Exige (or whatever). I love how Caymans feel and drive and I don't want anything else from Porsche - other than a manual GT3 (which I asked for, but unsurprisingly did not get).
I'm pleased to have my 981 GT4 and I'd like to swap it for a new 718 GT4
Stunters said:
I do think it's a problem if you're the kind of person who knows the kind of car he/she wants, has (or can justify spending) the money to buy one, but has no need or desire (never mind the means) to buy other, or different, kinds of cars from Porsche in order to actually order, buy (new to your own spec) and use the car you actually want.
The risk (to Porsche) is that people like that then choose to abandon Porsche altogether and go and buy an Exige (or whatever)............
Which is why I asked. I'm not a Porsche fan in the way that many owners are. I love the classic 911s, the RUF products and the latest versions of the GT and RS cars. The 996, the 997 and pretty much every example of the Cayman and Boxter do nothing for me. I've spent the past 2 years and 4 months in my Alfa Giulia QF and absolutely adore it, but after half a dozen flawless track days I'm not sure it's going to keep being so good to me if I continue lapping. I liked the look of the previous GT4 and got very close to buying a used one earlier this year once I found it went up our driveway, but as the new one was due for release I was a little unsure about jumping in. So, now it's arrived I'm interested. And why shouldn't a car enthusiast from another brand, with no experience in buying a Porsche be allowed to buy one from an OPC? The risk (to Porsche) is that people like that then choose to abandon Porsche altogether and go and buy an Exige (or whatever)............
I understand the loyalty thing and it's right to a degree, but are Porsche really looking for loyalty or just easy money and hype? If you're willing to agree not to just flip it then surely it should be available to everyone??
This is how i'd take one, all £93k of it.
Black, satin aurum wheels, PCCBs, clubsport with carbon buckets and alcantara trim.
Good friend called into our local OPC yesterday and they basically laughed him out of the door, despite having the cash to buy one in full and them knowing him well.
No way are these going to be any easier to buy than any other GT product.
The worst thing about Porsche ownership is dealing with an OPC that treats you like something on the bottom of their shoe.
Black, satin aurum wheels, PCCBs, clubsport with carbon buckets and alcantara trim.
Good friend called into our local OPC yesterday and they basically laughed him out of the door, despite having the cash to buy one in full and them knowing him well.
No way are these going to be any easier to buy than any other GT product.
The worst thing about Porsche ownership is dealing with an OPC that treats you like something on the bottom of their shoe.
frayz said:
This is how i'd take one, all £93k of it.
Black, satin aurum wheels, PCCBs, clubsport with carbon buckets and alcantara trim.
Good friend called into our local OPC yesterday and they basically laughed him out of the door, despite having the cash to buy one in full and them knowing him well.
No way are these going to be any easier to buy than any other GT product.
The worst thing about Porsche ownership is dealing with an OPC that treats you like something on the bottom of their shoe.
Yet of course, within days of deliveries starting there’ll be ones for sale at Romans International, Redline Specialist Cars and Daniel Myers among many others. Black, satin aurum wheels, PCCBs, clubsport with carbon buckets and alcantara trim.
Good friend called into our local OPC yesterday and they basically laughed him out of the door, despite having the cash to buy one in full and them knowing him well.
No way are these going to be any easier to buy than any other GT product.
The worst thing about Porsche ownership is dealing with an OPC that treats you like something on the bottom of their shoe.
Porsche really need to sort this crap out.
Beefmeister said:
Yet of course, within days of deliveries starting there’ll be ones for sale at Romans International, Redline Specialist Cars and Daniel Myers among many others.
Porsche really need to sort this crap out.
The OPC did the same to me when i went in after a used 911 before buying my Cayman R. They couldnt have looked down their noses any further at my wife and I. I ended up buying my Cayman from RPM Technik.Porsche really need to sort this crap out.
Basically unless youre buying the latest and greatest that they will "allow you to buy", they couldnt care less.
Whatever financial braket you fit in, chance are these cars are a dream for you and a massive step/goal for us. Buying your dream car should be one of the greatest experineces a petrolhead can have. Yet i know it would be awful.
JD. said:
So basically the quote from Porsche themselves, which read something like "we are proud that enthusiasts won't have to write letters and will actually be able to buy the car this time round" was.... complete crap?!
edit: from Andreas P himself "One thing we learned from the last GT4 is a lot of people couldn’t get one. Now we’re really proud enthusiasts can buy the car, rather than write letters"
JD. said:
JD. said:
So basically the quote from Porsche themselves, which read something like "we are proud that enthusiasts won't have to write letters and will actually be able to buy the car this time round" was.... complete crap?!
edit: from Andreas P himself "One thing we learned from the last GT4 is a lot of people couldn’t get one. Now we’re really proud enthusiasts can buy the car, rather than write letters"
Keep the interest in the car in with the OPC and down the line as cars keep on being produced there's a decent chance PGB will try to fulfill most orders. That happened with the gt4 and .2gt3 to a lesser extent that first allocations were fairly tight but cars kept on streaming through over time. If you're prepared to wait it's probably not as impossible to get the car as sometimes is portrayed.
P.S i admit though the brand ambassador thing as mentioned is cringeworthy.....
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