The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
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Porsche911R said:
imo it will arrive in March Next year and be a tuned GTS with a wing and GT3 sus again.
Works with the time lines and models and we know the Flat 4 turbo can do what ever BHP they like with a remap to slot straight in, you cannot have the GTS being faster than a GT4 so you can rule out NA.
Nothing to get excited about imo and a long way off.
GTS will be the star Cayman at the 2018 March Motor show to boost sales. with the main Model launch being the 991.2 RS.
4.0l In the GT4 is wish full thinking imo and the mules don't confirm anything esp as none have sound clips.
100% agree with this.Works with the time lines and models and we know the Flat 4 turbo can do what ever BHP they like with a remap to slot straight in, you cannot have the GTS being faster than a GT4 so you can rule out NA.
Nothing to get excited about imo and a long way off.
GTS will be the star Cayman at the 2018 March Motor show to boost sales. with the main Model launch being the 991.2 RS.
4.0l In the GT4 is wish full thinking imo and the mules don't confirm anything esp as none have sound clips.
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PR people just back track and would state due to new EU regs etc etc "we wanted to do a NA but ......." it's an easy get out. The only person and I do mean the only person is Focker saying it's a 4.0l every one else has jumped on this inc mags.
Every leaked press shot has no sound, it's all fixed marketing just after the point of the next launched car with have leaked pics, it keeps Porsche in the for front and every one is talking about it. there is no such thing as leaked pictures ffs.
Now I might be way off in all this, but nothing has ever come from Porsche regarding a new engine, so all we have is fake news and rumors atm nothing more.
I bet for a laugh they have put the 500bhp GT3 lump in a test Cayman see what it can do, why would they not try it, I also bet they have remapped the 718 GTS to 450BHP and see what that 4 pot does also.
but the least option here is a brand new 4.0 detuned engine for a ltd run model with high co2 and low MPG why would they make that in a £70k car ?
It just does not add up. my money is on a flat 6 Turbo they need that for the race series to keep up and while it's does not fit now, as you say they can make it fit no problem. I am sure Porsche want to be winning in the GT4 race series and they are not going to do that with a detuned 4.0 NA unit.
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I have no points to make bar the only thing we know is the 4.0l is fake news atm and nothing has come from Porsche stating they have a new 4.0l 450BHP unit. atm it's that simple.They stated no 4 pot in a GT car , ok then so put the 6 pot turbo unit in it no one has said "no" to that.
the 4.0L thing could be one of 2017/18 biggest fake news items fueled by click bait web sites and forum members.
anonymous said:
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lol I am not spreading fake news nor have I magic up a F4T the GTS already has it ! , I am saying what I think the car will have, it's other forum members saying the car is def a 4.0L NA unit, any post I write is just an opinion and fit's in the line up and time scales and CO2 pressures.It's like the GT4 will be at the motorshow in 2 weeks posts and is a finished car, due to the mules going about, I very much doubt that also.
I could be wrong, it's only my personal view and I also don't care if I am write or wrong either.
I just cannot see a brand new 4.0L 450BHP GT lump for mini GT cars in a £70k car like some of the click bait mags have posted . I hope there is, it would be quite cool but would make a GT3 at £120k look bloody expensive and every one says that's already under priced for some reason. So to see a £70k 450BHP 4.0l GT4 just seems impossible to me, let alone a £65k 981 Spyder with the same unit.
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 23 February 16:05
anonymous said:
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I don’t see the logic that the 4l engine would make sense. That to me is you making something fit your world view, which evidently is not every bodies. That’s not meant as an insult though. We’re all doing it. I don’t think it would take a lot of magic though to expect the fourth car in a series to follow the previous 3. That would be the least surprising thing surely BUT aside from the imaginary lines we’re all drawing they could stick anything in it. The car is a base halo as people have said.
The engine that makes the most sense in my little head is a 3l 4 pot turbo with 400+ hp. That just makes sense to me but then who am I.
If we take the boss’ words as gospel then my best guess at engine type would be the old 3.8l plus a turbo.
otisdog said:
Okay - I have a source who states the GT4 will have a 420 hp NA six, and the GT4 RS will have a 480 hp NA six. I have no credibility here, rarely post, and don't partake in pissing matches here, so take it as you will.
But Focker isn't the only one making that claim...
A GT4 RS with 480BHP is a big claim you have to admit it's a new winner in the Bhp claims for sure.But Focker isn't the only one making that claim...
anonymous said:
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I don't think a personal opinion = fake news, but some one saying they know it's 4.0l NA engine and is then it's not is fake news, and every Mag has posted it will be 435bhp/450 BHP F6 4.0l and I do mean every web site and mag has done this.My manual GT3 arrives in a few days now, so unless it's a 1250kg carbon winged, mag wheeled 480 BHP ltd ed RS at £80k I don't really care :-) as I could have really not done with spunking £130k on a car to be honest.
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 23 February 16:52
Well after seeing the news about the next new 911 all going turbo charged including the GT range and Porsche having to rush out all the GT3/GT3 RS with the new 4L engine in before the end of this year due to new co2 rules, then is there any hope that a new GT4 will be N.A. as if they plan on it then they had better get it out for sale very quick.
Maybe we got the GT3 RS early due to the new regs as they need to get them sold quick and just may be a 4L GT4 is waiting to be shown in a few weeks time ready to be sold straight away while they can sell it, but I think that's quite a big ask.
The new GT3 RS is not that much different to the normal GT3 this time round as some people where hoping for more but I think Porsche where fast running out of time due to the engine and with all the new 911 GT cars that have just come out have Porsche had time to fully sort a new Cayman GT car ?
Plus they can easy get round the no 4 pot in a GT car, as others have said plus they don't need to call the next fast Cayman a GT in the first place, but they do need a much more powerfull GT car to compete in the GT4 class as the competition is well in front and not playing by the same rules as Porsche ( in my eyes ) so could this lead to a 911 with the 500 plus bhp engine making it's way into the class and being called a GT4 ??????
I don't know and know as much as the next man lol, but I do know I enjoy my current GT4
Maybe we got the GT3 RS early due to the new regs as they need to get them sold quick and just may be a 4L GT4 is waiting to be shown in a few weeks time ready to be sold straight away while they can sell it, but I think that's quite a big ask.
The new GT3 RS is not that much different to the normal GT3 this time round as some people where hoping for more but I think Porsche where fast running out of time due to the engine and with all the new 911 GT cars that have just come out have Porsche had time to fully sort a new Cayman GT car ?
Plus they can easy get round the no 4 pot in a GT car, as others have said plus they don't need to call the next fast Cayman a GT in the first place, but they do need a much more powerfull GT car to compete in the GT4 class as the competition is well in front and not playing by the same rules as Porsche ( in my eyes ) so could this lead to a 911 with the 500 plus bhp engine making it's way into the class and being called a GT4 ??????
I don't know and know as much as the next man lol, but I do know I enjoy my current GT4
anonymous said:
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Ok if it’s a terrible guess, nice of you to put it so gently hahaha. It is only a guess after all. I just think that would fit in after the 2l and 2.5l 4 pot turbos in the 718 series. Odd that you would deny that you are fitting things to your world view though. You literally said the following in the post I replied to:
“The 4.0 thing would make sense in marketing terms just like 3.8 made sense last time for the same reason.”
I don't know what Porsche would have to do to get the engine to pass the new co2 test or what it would cost and more importantly what it would do to the power, but I know they need to get them sold and registered this year as they can not be sold in 2019 if what they say is true.
Plus the new 992 all to be turbo means good bye to the new 4L engine as it looks like sorting it out to pass is too much trouble or cost ECT
So where does that leave us for a new fast Cayman ?
70K starting price range and small run of cars does not leave much for an expensive engine to go in.
Porsche last time raided the parts bin for the GT4 to keep costs low and can not see them doing anything much different, so that leaves a 4pot turbo engine of some kind from the 718 or a 3L turbo engine from the Carrara
Plus the new 992 all to be turbo means good bye to the new 4L engine as it looks like sorting it out to pass is too much trouble or cost ECT
So where does that leave us for a new fast Cayman ?
70K starting price range and small run of cars does not leave much for an expensive engine to go in.
Porsche last time raided the parts bin for the GT4 to keep costs low and can not see them doing anything much different, so that leaves a 4pot turbo engine of some kind from the 718 or a 3L turbo engine from the Carrara
What if the new 992 is mid-engined ?
What if P were to fill the short term torque hole of the Turbos with an electric turbo from a 48v vehicle system on the GT cars ?
They are looking for technology to fix COx and NOx issues.
There must be a price to pay for their previous indiscretions and a six month shut down and the end of Diesels shows that somebody is very much in charge at P ...
What if P were to fill the short term torque hole of the Turbos with an electric turbo from a 48v vehicle system on the GT cars ?
They are looking for technology to fix COx and NOx issues.
There must be a price to pay for their previous indiscretions and a six month shut down and the end of Diesels shows that somebody is very much in charge at P ...
anonymous said:
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Well you seem to be saying the same old stuff time and time again and completely blinkered and I am not overly bothered to be fair, but I can see more than one final outcome for this car and let's not forget it might not even be a GT4 or even a Cayman.Plus let's not forget that just a few days again it was said that Porsche had said it will keep GT cars N.A. for as long as it can, well that will be about a week then going from today's Porsche report and with that you can hold on to what ever you wish that's been said as times are changing fast in the car world and I am sorry to say that big N.A. engines are out.
I have heard the test mules going round the track back in December and it wasn't a N.A. noise coming out the back, yes they may have loads going about but have you heard one ? Err, guess that will be no but I guess you have heard all the rumours lol
As said 70k car, where do you go for an engine, bespoke one off 4L from the GT3 that's struggling to meet the regs, old 3.8 with bits on to get to 420 ish bhp which once again will need work to meet the regs I guess, all for a low volume car that you need to keep cheap or go for it quick while you can and build a full fat 500 bhp GT4 / RS to get ride of the last remaining engines and p
s off all the 911 GT3 owners that have just got their new Cars.I don't know and only time will tell and until then we can all keep on going round and round and round as I guess that's just what Porsche wants
Nobody knows exactly the reason but it seems like 991.2 GT3 production is ceasing for Europe in Q2 of this year...according to Rennlist there are people in the US that have allocations for Q3/4 of this year which is apparently because there are new emissions regulations coming in Europe this in Sep this year. What seems to be the rushed launch and production of the new GT3 RS seems to support thus with people having locked spec thus week and taking delivery in April.
I don’t remember for sure but I can’t remember a GT Porsche being launched and delivered so quickly ? GT3 was launched around the same time last year with the first deliveries in July. People that have allocations have been told it’s not certain there will be more cars after Sep.
All of that seems relatively reliable info. We also know Porsche has been blindsided on emissions vis a vis diesel. So I don’t think they know anything for sure right now. Maybe they’ve been blindsided on naturally aspirated engines too?
Of all the above I think the pertinent info is that GT3 can’t be sold in Europe in Q4 this year. Maybe that’s because they don’t want to engineer new emissions hardware or maybe it’s because the engine can’t be made implant with European standards easily ? That may explain why GT3 RS has been rushed out.
If they can’t engineer a solution to sell a GT3 / RS with a 4.0 N/A engine how can they afford to do it for the GT4 ?
I don’t remember for sure but I can’t remember a GT Porsche being launched and delivered so quickly ? GT3 was launched around the same time last year with the first deliveries in July. People that have allocations have been told it’s not certain there will be more cars after Sep.
All of that seems relatively reliable info. We also know Porsche has been blindsided on emissions vis a vis diesel. So I don’t think they know anything for sure right now. Maybe they’ve been blindsided on naturally aspirated engines too?
Of all the above I think the pertinent info is that GT3 can’t be sold in Europe in Q4 this year. Maybe that’s because they don’t want to engineer new emissions hardware or maybe it’s because the engine can’t be made implant with European standards easily ? That may explain why GT3 RS has been rushed out.
If they can’t engineer a solution to sell a GT3 / RS with a 4.0 N/A engine how can they afford to do it for the GT4 ?
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