The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
Discussion
TomEdward said:
Great spot. Original poster included a second pic:https://instagram.com/p/BfoHYUYHiWs/
BE57JAM said:
At the risk of being unpopular - all this 718 hate is pure toy throwing and tantrums IMO because the old guard aren’t getting what they want. I’ll be as fair as I can and assume the guys making all the fuss are people that loved the old car and are sad they aren’t getting an upgrade to the formula they’re used to. I can sympathise with that. But the 718 is a BETTER CAR IN EVERY WAY. the amount of air time given to the engine and exhaust note is embarrassing. Totally disproportionate.
FASTER
BETTER HANDLING
BETTER INTERIOR and TECH
BETTER FUEL ECONOMY
MORE TORQUE FOR EVERY DAY USE
reading all the moaning is like hearing those old farts moaning at work about how things were better 20 years ago. It obviously wasn’t or it wouldn’t have changed.
Then again I’m a first time Porsche buyer so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing. But I do know if I had the option to get the old engine or the new I’d pick the new. Shame people don’t have the choice in the new model. Would shut a lot of people up.
I'm not saying that you are wrong.FASTER
BETTER HANDLING
BETTER INTERIOR and TECH
BETTER FUEL ECONOMY
MORE TORQUE FOR EVERY DAY USE
reading all the moaning is like hearing those old farts moaning at work about how things were better 20 years ago. It obviously wasn’t or it wouldn’t have changed.
Then again I’m a first time Porsche buyer so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing. But I do know if I had the option to get the old engine or the new I’d pick the new. Shame people don’t have the choice in the new model. Would shut a lot of people up.
However i would suggest going for a blast on some empty bendy roads in a 981 GTS and then come back with your thoughts.
One of us could be surprised...
Unless of course the sound and rev response in a sports car is irrelevant to you, i suspect you will be the one who is surprised.
Budflicker said:
Unless of course the sound and rev response in a sports car is irrelevant to you,
Yep it is quite clear this is the case following the dilution of the 718.Had a 718 S for a couple of days last week and can honestly say with absolute conviction it was the worst Porsche I have ever driven.
Utterly souless on so many levels.
Budflicker said:
Unless of course the sound and rev response in a sports car is irrelevant to you,
Yep it is quite clear this is the case following the dilution of the 718.Had a 718 S for a couple of days last week and can honestly say with absolute conviction it was the worst Porsche I have ever driven.
Utterly souless on so many levels.
RBT0 said:
otisdog said:
Okay - I have a source who states the GT4 will have a 420 hp NA six, and the GT4 RS will have a 480 hp NA six. I have no credibility here, rarely post, and don't partake in pissing matches here, so take it as you will.
But Focker isn't the only one making that claim...
PDK or Manual?But Focker isn't the only one making that claim...
Budflicker said:
I'm not saying that you are wrong.
However i would suggest going for a blast on some empty bendy roads in a 981 GTS and then come back with your thoughts.
One of us could be surprised...
Unless of course the sound and rev response in a sports car is irrelevant to you, i suspect you will be the one who is surprised.
That’s fair enough buuuuut, It’s a package we’re buying. If we could cherry pick the best parts from each model we all would, myself included i’m sure. However i would suggest going for a blast on some empty bendy roads in a 981 GTS and then come back with your thoughts.
One of us could be surprised...
Unless of course the sound and rev response in a sports car is irrelevant to you, i suspect you will be the one who is surprised.
The 718 is the best overall package ever offered to us. It’s a mazing people aren’t more impressed by it given that it is the. Best. Overall. Package.
Edited by BE57JAM on Sunday 25th February 20:33
BE57JAM said:
TomEdward said:
Great spot. Original poster included a second pic:https://instagram.com/p/BfoHYUYHiWs/
TomEdward said:
Sounds the same as the GTS to me............
BE57JAM said:
At the risk of being unpopular - all this 718 hate is pure toy throwing and tantrums IMO because the old guard aren’t getting what they want. I’ll be as fair as I can and assume the guys making all the fuss are people that loved the old car and are sad they aren’t getting an upgrade to the formula they’re used to. I can sympathise with that. But the 718 is a BETTER CAR IN EVERY WAY. the amount of air time given to the engine and exhaust note is embarrassing. Totally disproportionate.
FASTER
BETTER HANDLING
BETTER INTERIOR and TECH
BETTER FUEL ECONOMY
MORE TORQUE FOR EVERY DAY USE
reading all the moaning is like hearing those old farts moaning at work about how things were better 20 years ago. It obviously wasn’t or it wouldn’t have changed.
Then again I’m a first time Porsche buyer so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing. But I do know if I had the option to get the old engine or the new I’d pick the new. Shame people don’t have the choice in the new model. Would shut a lot of people up.
Hear hear...FASTER
BETTER HANDLING
BETTER INTERIOR and TECH
BETTER FUEL ECONOMY
MORE TORQUE FOR EVERY DAY USE
reading all the moaning is like hearing those old farts moaning at work about how things were better 20 years ago. It obviously wasn’t or it wouldn’t have changed.
Then again I’m a first time Porsche buyer so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing. But I do know if I had the option to get the old engine or the new I’d pick the new. Shame people don’t have the choice in the new model. Would shut a lot of people up.
anonymous said:
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I’m glad you chirped in, especially so on this occasion because your response didn’t start with a “no”. Lol. The points you make around personal taste I wouldn’t try to comment against. But, if:FASTER
BETTER HANDLING
BETTER INTERIOR and TECH
BETTER FUEL ECONOMY
MORE TORQUE FOR EVERY DAY USE
Doesn’t equal, an objectively speaking, better package then I don’t know what does!
Please nobody say we all have different preferences because there has to be a universal standard to what equals a better car. And surely the above, though not exhaustive, and not absolute, is that.
The "best package", whatever that may mean to you, is not some objective collection of stats.
In a sports car, I would value the engine (power delivery, response, sound), gearbox and handling well over the infotainment and mpg. In your list these latter things appear to carry equal weighting.
In a luxury cruiser or a city runabout those things might carry more weight than the engine.
It's a great shame that the Boxster and Cayman have lost an engine that made them unique in their segment. Faster it may well be, but at the expense of feeling and sounding more generic.
And apparently in the real world the economy is no better than the 981.
In a sports car, I would value the engine (power delivery, response, sound), gearbox and handling well over the infotainment and mpg. In your list these latter things appear to carry equal weighting.
In a luxury cruiser or a city runabout those things might carry more weight than the engine.
It's a great shame that the Boxster and Cayman have lost an engine that made them unique in their segment. Faster it may well be, but at the expense of feeling and sounding more generic.
And apparently in the real world the economy is no better than the 981.
BE57JAM said:
av185 said:
Yep it is quite clear this is the case following the dilution of the 718.
Had a 718 S for a couple of days last week and can honestly say with absolute conviction it was the worst Porsche I have ever driven.
Utterly souless on so many levels.
That’s just silly. Had a 718 S for a couple of days last week and can honestly say with absolute conviction it was the worst Porsche I have ever driven.
Utterly souless on so many levels.
Strange response.
Moose is essentially correct in his rather long post. You should read it and take note.
As many have quite rightly said, the engine of the 718 is it's biggest problem. And for a sports car that is a serious problem.
The power delivery, hideous sound (and I do mean hideous .....like a washing machine) and throttle response together with flawed steering ruin the car.
Just to be clear I have no axe to grind. I love Porsches, significantly contemporary ones, and have been lucky enough to have owned over the years and currently own a good number of their finest cars.
And this is definitely one of their worst.
BE57JAM said:
Faster.
Better handling.
More efficient.
That is objectively better. That’s a fact.
Better handling could be subjective, depending on the way you drive and your preferences.Better handling.
More efficient.
That is objectively better. That’s a fact.
More efficient is debatable, a turbo four pot can be pretty un-economical if you gas it everywhere.
So that leaves faster, which in my experience has been the only place the 718 is arguably "better" than the 981.
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