Michelin Pilot Sport 4S have N0 rating

Michelin Pilot Sport 4S have N0 rating

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JasonSteel

566 posts

97 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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standard PS4S tyres (not N rated) have 'C' rating for fuel efficiency and 'A' for wet grip.

N0 rated have 'E' rating for fuel efficiency and 'B' wet grip.

other than for warranty purposes, why should i buy N rated and not standard?

Twinfan

10,125 posts

105 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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There's no reason to. Just the warranty reason.

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Well apparently tyre manufactures choose between a few different variables when they produce a tyre. Porsche dictate the value for those variables on tyres which have the N rating. Thats why the ratings are different.

So if you think these variable choices might be better for you or your car or your driving then you buy the n rated tyre. Or if you have a Porsche warranty and then you have no choice.

JasonSteel

566 posts

97 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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that's what i thought.

i don't get why the Porsche specific tyres would perform so much worse than the non rated though.

why do they do that?

isaldiri

18,607 posts

169 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Handling characteristics perhaps. A quick browse of the Michelin website suggests that N0 tyres have the same spec as M0 but K1 are similar to the 'standard' tyre. So Porsches are more like Mercs than Ferrari I guess....tumbleweed

130R

6,810 posts

207 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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JasonSteel said:
that's what i thought.

i don't get why the Porsche specific tyres would perform so much worse than the non rated though.

why do they do that?
Presumably they perform better in other areas

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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130R said:
resumably they perform better in other areas
how can they when they use 4 difference tyre manufacturers ? whose tyres are so far apart from each other it makes the whole N spec thing daft.


one N spec tyre is nothing like another , Good year N spec or a PS4S or a P zero etc etc so to have them all N spec seems daft, and now we also have Dunlops which imo are just as bad as P-zero's and none perform the same, what you will notice for any test drives or lap records the brand Michelin is used time and time again.

I'll take a non N spec PS4S over any other make of N spec as the PS4s is a better tyre. As for older cars which don't get N spec tyre sizes people are still fitting 12 year old PS2's !!! and what happens then when you cannot buy a PS2 ? no warranty as you cannot buy a N spec tyre for a old car !!!

The whole things daft, and a money maker, nothing more. bespoke tyres my arse. An OPC will fit a CGT front tyre to the rear of a Cayman, that's how bespoke it gets , it's laughable.

JasonSteel

566 posts

97 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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130R said:
resumably they perform better in other areas
such as? i can't see the N rated being any better in the dry...

i called Michelin and asked about handling performance differences but they didn't have any additional information on this.

i'd hate to think they changed the Michelin spec to the point the N rated are as bad as the P Zeros. My car is in for a service and warranty extension and my PS4S tyres didn't pass. i was going to change to PS4S N0 but i refuse to buy an inferior tyre than i already have so i'm having to swap back to my new P Zeros (which were in the loft gathering dust) only to change back again as soon as i can.

130R

6,810 posts

207 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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JasonSteel said:
such as? i can't see the N rated being any better in the dry...
Well I doubt Porsche ask Michelin to make the tyres worse! That would seem to make all the development and testing they do with tyre manufacturers a bit of a waste of time. They could absolutely be better than non N rated tyres in the dry as they can be a different compound (for example)

JasonSteel

566 posts

97 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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130R said:
ell I doubt Porsche ask Michelin to make the tyres worse! That would seem to make all the development and testing they do with tyre manufacturers a bit of a waste of time. They could absolutely be better than non N rated tyres in the dry as they can be a different compound (for example)
the standard compound is already outstanding in the dry so even if Porsche could somehow improve on that further (and i doubt they can), why do it if it means wet/cold performance is compromised, as is fuel efficiency?

the reason i decided to fit PS4S tyres in the first place (before the N rated were available) was to improve the wet/cold performance and in this respect the Michelins are way ahead of the Pirellis. surely compromising in the wet is a step backwards?



arcamalpha

1,075 posts

165 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Michelin 4S now in 991 sizes it would appear :-)