718 GTS Road Tests

[Porsche718S]

Twinfan said:

And that's the issue for a lot of us - the NASP Porsche flat six was so gloriously fantastic, to replace it with the F4T is a massive disappointment.

But this is where we will need to agree to disagree. I wasn’t very clear, on boost the response of the 718 F4 is Equal to the 981 F6. I was talking the very low rpms/high gear scenario.

To suggest otherwise isn’t right based on my experience.

[Porsche718S]

anonymous said:

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I agree. Ignoring all the other attributes on this basis though is a shame and disservice.

[HighwayStar]

Porsche718S said:

Twinfan said:

And that's the issue for a lot of us - the NASP Porsche flat six was so gloriously fantastic, to replace it with the F4T is a massive disappointment.

But this is where we will need to agree to disagree. I wasn’t very clear, on boost the response of the 718 F4 is Equal to the 981 F6. I was talking the very low rpms/high gear scenario.

To suggest otherwise isn’t right based on my experience.

You’ve just said it... F4T v F6, those in either camp who care need to agree to disagree.
I have no problem with the 718 or any other car I don’t want... it’s personal choice.
There is Porsche magic in there to keep the F4T on boost and once on boost it’s is responsive. For me, it’s no substitute for what’s been lost to F6. Some have gone from the 981 to 718 and like the engine, some have said the sound of the engine and it being turbo doesn’t matter. They don’t care or see it as important. That’s great and fair play to them. Others have no interest in a F4T 718 and that’s basically it.
Any 718 thread re the current models and the one debating whether the new GT4 will be F4 or F6 descends into a spat/discussion about the thing between the seats and the boot.
Agree to disagree would be the way. Not easy though eh

[Geoff39GL]

HighwayStar said:

Porsche718S said:

Twinfan said:

And that's the issue for a lot of us - the NASP Porsche flat six was so gloriously fantastic, to replace it with the F4T is a massive disappointment.

But this is where we will need to agree to disagree. I wasn’t very clear, on boost the response of the 718 F4 is Equal to the 981 F6. I was talking the very low rpms/high gear scenario.

To suggest otherwise isn’t right based on my experience.

You’ve just said it... F4T v F6, those in either camp who care need to agree to disagree.
I have no problem with the 718 or any other car I don’t want... it’s personal choice.
There is Porsche magic in there to keep the F4T on boost and once on boost it’s is responsive. For me, it’s no substitute for what’s been lost to F6. Some have gone from the 981 to 718 and like the engine, some have said the sound of the engine and it being turbo doesn’t matter. They don’t care or see it as important. That’s great and fair play to them. Others have no interest in a F4T 718 and that’s basically it.
Any 718 thread re the current models and the one debating whether the new GT4 will be F4 or F6 descends into a spat/discussion about the thing between the seats and the boot.
Agree to disagree would be the way. Not easy though eh

I moved from a 981GTS to a GT4, I do a few track days a year and the GT4 is a great car and while it can be used as a daily in my view the 981 is probably the better daily it is quiet, comfortable and pretty much all you need in a sportscar for UK roads, there is a lot more in car noise in the GT4. I recently had a 718 for the day while my GT4 was being serviced and I have to say it is a very nice car, in a lot of ways an improvement on the 981. The turbo engine no-one can argue gives a better torque based response for everyday use and when the opportunity arises it can be red lined, it is a good compromise better for everyday use. It is only the sound !. Legislation has taken not only Porsche but every other manufacturer along the same route, downsize, turbocharge and improve emissions. BMW, Audi,Ford are all following the same pattern. The new Fiesta ST will be a 3 cylinder at least the 718 has 4. Hybrid technology is not far behind and the game will soon move on again. We have to accept change, I doubt Porsche would have changed from its proven formula if it had the choice. We have the choice and if we want the new shiny thing we have to accept the direction legislation takes us, the product will continue to improve but it will be different. If we don't like it we can keep what we have, we can buy an Alpine or whatever takes our fancy we have the choice. But the 718 is still a very very good car IMHO

[Twinfan]

Porsche718S said:

But this is where we will need to agree to disagree. I wasn’t very clear, on boost the response of the 718 F4 is Equal to the 981 F6. I was talking the very low rpms/high gear scenario.

To suggest otherwise isn’t right based on my experience.

That's the point though isn't it. On boost all turbo engines respond well - that's how they work. The off boost bit is what has been lost, and you can't keep a turbo spinning constantly. Effectively saying you can ignore how it behaves off boost and that it doesn't matter is not right either.

Agreeing to disagree is fine, happy to do that, but you have to respect other views which differ from your own.

I understand how some may like the F4T character, but if you're a really big fan of how the old NASP six behaves under your right foot you're unlikely to fall for the F4T. That's just a logical conclusion based on facts.

[Porsche718S]

Twinfan said:

That's the point though isn't it. On boost all turbo engines respond well - that's how they work. The off boost bit is what has been lost, and you can't keep a turbo spinning constantly. Effectively saying you can ignore how it behaves off boost and that it doesn't matter is not right either.

Agreeing to disagree is fine, happy to do that, but you have to respect other views which differ from your own.

I understand how some may like the F4T character, but if you're a really big fan of how the old NASP six behaves under your right foot you're unlikely to fall for the F4T. That's just a logical conclusion based on facts.

This has nothing to do with disrespecting others' views??? I don't share the same perspective as you, that's all. Of course I respect your view - that doesn't automatically make you right (although apparently it should?). Hence agree to disagree, happy days, let's move things along.

Interested to know when you think a 718S is off boost?

Edited by Porsche718S on Sunday 10th December 11:07

[Twinfan]

I found it off boost when not on a hefty amount of throttle. I'm very sensitive to a precise throttle control, hence my previous "elastic" comment.

Anyway, I agree to disagree with you. The 718 engine isn't great IMHO.

[HighwayStar]

Porsche718S said:

Twinfan said:

That's the point though isn't it. On boost all turbo engines respond well - that's how they work. The off boost bit is what has been lost, and you can't keep a turbo spinning constantly. Effectively saying you can ignore how it behaves off boost and that it doesn't matter is not right either.

Agreeing to disagree is fine, happy to do that, but you have to respect other views which differ from your own.

I understand how some may like the F4T character, but if you're a really big fan of how the old NASP six behaves under your right foot you're unlikely to fall for the F4T. That's just a logical conclusion based on facts.

This has nothing to do with disrespecting others' views??? I don't share the same perspective as you, that's all. Of course I respect your view - that doesn't automatically make you right (although apparently it should?). Hence agree to disagree, happy days, let's move things along.

Interested to know when you think a 718S is off boost?

I don’t anyone is expecting you do say 981 owners are right and you are wrong. It’s simply you and others like the F4T for your reasons, we know what those are. We F6 981 guys prefer it for the reason you also know. In all areas of life we like different things to others. It’s the way it is.

Edited by Porsche718S on Sunday 10th December 11:07

[Porsche718S]

Twinfan said:

I found it off boost when not on a hefty amount of throttle. I'm very sensitive to a precise throttle control, hence my previous "elastic" comment.

Anyway, I agree to disagree with you. The 718 engine isn't great IMHO.

Not a characteristic that given my relatively extensive experience of the car, I recognise.

What engine do you think has the best response based on your experience? My e46 and e92 M3's were very good for big units, but my S2000 was the best I think I've ever experienced. My favourite was the 3.2 S6 in the e46 M3 though, that engine was just stellar for me. Never really got on with the subsequent V8.

[Twinfan]

anonymous said:

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Yep, this sums it up in a nutshell for me.

[Pinball]

Just watched the Seen Through Glass review of the Apline. He owns a 718, which he wrapped green if you want to see a green Cayman. https://youtu.be/FuCCpaI6y-k

[Ady128]

I've got a Cayman GTS coming in March. I deliberately didn't drive a 981. But I don't really care about the sound of it; its how it handles and goes that's important to me. And the stereo might be too loud anyway!

[HighwayStar]

Ady128 said:

I've got a Cayman GTS coming in March. I deliberately didn't drive a 981. But I don't really care about the sound of it; its how it handles and goes that's important to me. And the stereo might be too loud anyway!

If you don’t care about the sound, what was the reason for deliberately not driving a 981?
Not a loaded question or criticism, just curious.

[dreamcar]

Ady128 said:

I've got a Cayman GTS coming in March. I deliberately didn't drive a 981. But I don't really care about the sound of it; its how it handles and goes that's important to me. And the stereo might be too loud anyway!

In which case i’ve no doubt you’ll be very happy with your choice, it’s one of the best handling cars at anywhere near the price and subtley improved in the ways that are important to you over a 981.

Edited by dreamcar on Sunday 10th December 15:58