Boxster S 981 Press Car
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who cares these days ? most cars are on GFV PCP
have you seen cars in London how they are treated, or Scotish cars where the roads are salt city 1/2 the year
or the or the 2000 ex demo Porkers thrashed from cold for 3 months.
Any 2nd hand car these days could be a s
tter as no ones cares as most are on 3 year pcp hand backs so why run them in, why keep revs low when cold etc etc ? you could buy a press car which has had 3 months hard life or a 2nd hand car which has had 3 years of thrashing and track use.
have you seen cars in London how they are treated, or Scotish cars where the roads are salt city 1/2 the year
or the or the 2000 ex demo Porkers thrashed from cold for 3 months.
Any 2nd hand car these days could be a s
tter as no ones cares as most are on 3 year pcp hand backs so why run them in, why keep revs low when cold etc etc ? you could buy a press car which has had 3 months hard life or a 2nd hand car which has had 3 years of thrashing and track use.Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 7th February 08:53
I have had a few press cars with no issues. They have been serviced more than regularly and Porsche will have a full documentation of what work has been undertaken.
To be fair, if you buy a used car, you will not know the full history in any instance (been in a fire/accident and has not gone through the insurance - for a cheap job etc). At least with this, you know where you stand
I have PCCBs on my CS. Porsche check mine twice a year - no faults and no wear. stands out from the crowd and everyone who drives past, has a sneaky peek. Awesome stopping power and great feeling and control of the car. Tbh, if you like the car and Porsche give you warranty, just enjoy it. Life is too short. Enjoy!
To be fair, if you buy a used car, you will not know the full history in any instance (been in a fire/accident and has not gone through the insurance - for a cheap job etc). At least with this, you know where you stand
I have PCCBs on my CS. Porsche check mine twice a year - no faults and no wear. stands out from the crowd and everyone who drives past, has a sneaky peek. Awesome stopping power and great feeling and control of the car. Tbh, if you like the car and Porsche give you warranty, just enjoy it. Life is too short. Enjoy!
Personally I would be very wary. You can be sure it has had a hard life. While that will be true of some private owned cars, you will find that some owners have OCD - the sort who has paint protection applied, won't allow Porsche to wash it for fear of damaging the paintwork etc, services it far more often than Porsche recommend etc. It won't affect the value that much but is far more likely to have been driven sympathetically. You may be able to get some insight on the type of owner the car had from the service history.
bcr5784 said:
Personally I would be very wary. You can be sure it has had a hard life. While that will be true of some private owned cars, you will find that some owners have OCD - the sort who has paint protection applied, won't allow Porsche to wash it for fear of damaging the paintwork etc, services it far more often than Porsche recommend etc. It won't affect the value that much but is far more likely to have been driven sympathetically. You may be able to get some insight on the type of owner the car had from the service history.
I find the people who can afford £5k PPF don't care and just hand the cars back again !I would also question the service history and if you need one inbetween what has the car been doing to warrant a extra service (tracked normally)
I went to look at a 488 the other day it was ruined and was 6 months old ! prob a footballers car or something.
PPF just means the cars got no stone chips for the next owner that's it and it's the next fad which every one does now.
none of my cars have PPF and they are all looked after and they only have a service when due and they all have stone chips, but they drive amazing and never driven hard till warm and only on V power.
Goto any car event these days and I mean ANY and cars will rev the nuts off leaving the venue on cold engine, these are what you are buying, press cars don't do that !
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 7th February 09:45
I agree with 911R.
Press cars may be rev hard but Porsche will have maintained it well after - they don't want it to break down following a journalists review- they will get hammered. Rev ranges are available from Porsche and other specialists to check.
Have a look at 911virgins rev range explanation, they were about to buy a gt3 off someone privately but pulled out as apparently the owners were ripping it in the course knowing that they were going to sell it and someone was viewing it. Buying cars privately or non OPC can just be dangerous or even moreso
Press cars may be rev hard but Porsche will have maintained it well after - they don't want it to break down following a journalists review- they will get hammered. Rev ranges are available from Porsche and other specialists to check.
Have a look at 911virgins rev range explanation, they were about to buy a gt3 off someone privately but pulled out as apparently the owners were ripping it in the course knowing that they were going to sell it and someone was viewing it. Buying cars privately or non OPC can just be dangerous or even moreso
Paul_D said:
I agree with 911R.
Press cars may be rev hard but Porsche will have maintained it well after - they don't want it to break down following a journalists review- they will get hammered. Rev ranges are available from Porsche and other specialists to check.
Have a look at 911virgins rev range explanation, they were about to buy a gt3 off someone privately but pulled out as apparently the owners were ripping it in the course knowing that they were going to sell it and someone was viewing it. Buying cars privately or non OPC can just be dangerous or even moreso
Very helpful Paul D http://www.911virgin.com/porsche/rev-range-informa...Press cars may be rev hard but Porsche will have maintained it well after - they don't want it to break down following a journalists review- they will get hammered. Rev ranges are available from Porsche and other specialists to check.
Have a look at 911virgins rev range explanation, they were about to buy a gt3 off someone privately but pulled out as apparently the owners were ripping it in the course knowing that they were going to sell it and someone was viewing it. Buying cars privately or non OPC can just be dangerous or even moreso
Thanks for the replies. Some very true comments regarding how cars are treated now, with many people moving cars frequently.
Had it been an ex demonstrator I probably wouldn't have thought too much about it. Just want to get some detailed information on the CCB's. Would a call to a Porsche centre be able to give me some more detailed information? The car is over 200 miles away, so its not some where I can just pop into.
Had it been an ex demonstrator I probably wouldn't have thought too much about it. Just want to get some detailed information on the CCB's. Would a call to a Porsche centre be able to give me some more detailed information? The car is over 200 miles away, so its not some where I can just pop into.
PCCB disc wear is measured by weight, although if the mileage isn't intergalactic that shouldn't be an issue. Damage is more likely to cause replacement - stones trapped in the caliper can score the disc (for example). You also have to be careful when removing wheels as dropping a wheel onto them can damage their edges.
Pads should ideally be replaced at no more than 50% wear to allow correct heat dissipation and if used on track they should be cooled down slowly.
As they're larger than the standard steel discs any unsprung weight advantage they could have is largely reduced, so the only real advantage of them is pedal feel (if you personally prefer how they feel to steels) and longevity as long as you don't damage them. Some also buy them just because they prefer the look of them.
You could replace the discs and pads with steel equivalents, but if you plan on extending the Porsche warranty that would be seen as a modification and cause you problems with the 111 point check and potentially any claims you make.
My own opinion matches that of last PEC instructor I had. If you're wealthy enough to be able to afford to replace them if need be then you'd probably run them on your car. In the real cost-conscious world a lot of us live in then they're best avoided rather than face an unpleasant bill.
Pads should ideally be replaced at no more than 50% wear to allow correct heat dissipation and if used on track they should be cooled down slowly.
As they're larger than the standard steel discs any unsprung weight advantage they could have is largely reduced, so the only real advantage of them is pedal feel (if you personally prefer how they feel to steels) and longevity as long as you don't damage them. Some also buy them just because they prefer the look of them.
You could replace the discs and pads with steel equivalents, but if you plan on extending the Porsche warranty that would be seen as a modification and cause you problems with the 111 point check and potentially any claims you make.
My own opinion matches that of last PEC instructor I had. If you're wealthy enough to be able to afford to replace them if need be then you'd probably run them on your car. In the real cost-conscious world a lot of us live in then they're best avoided rather than face an unpleasant bill.
I brought my car over the phone without even driving or inspecting it.
Had it delivered and got the local Porsche dealer to have a quick check.
The car was over 170miles away. I have enjoyed it since!!!
PCCBs are nice........and the car handles amazingly. expensive to replace but suits the car in my opinion.
Had it delivered and got the local Porsche dealer to have a quick check.
The car was over 170miles away. I have enjoyed it since!!!
PCCBs are nice........and the car handles amazingly. expensive to replace but suits the car in my opinion.
Porsche911R said:
...never driven hard till warm and only on V power.
Goto any car event these days and I mean ANY and cars will rev the nuts off leaving the venue on cold engine, these are what you are buying, press cars don't do that !
That would be my concern, that the car hadn't been allowed to warm up properly when lent out to whoever as a press car.Goto any car event these days and I mean ANY and cars will rev the nuts off leaving the venue on cold engine, these are what you are buying, press cars don't do that !
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 7th February 09:45
How do you test for that?
Having said that, unless you buy new you could be buying from someone who has treated the car worse than the press, but so long as you're buying direct from the first owner, not an OPC, you should be able to gain an insight as to how it's fared by talking to the owner and inspecting the car.
Twinfan said:
Is that based on a back-to-back comparison with a steel braked car on the same suspension?
tbh......no comparison. I have driven both but the car feels lighter with PCCBs. I enjoy most of the Porsche range......maybe I am bias but I certainly dont need to clean the alloys as often :P
Nothing wrong with that of course!
I like the yellow calipers and I guess thats why lamborghinis, mercedes GT cars also have yellow calipers. each to their own really
Being bias and objective is another thing......I guess most people would opt for the PCCBs if it was not expensive to replace or cost a staggering 5k as an option
Being bias and objective is another thing......I guess most people would opt for the PCCBs if it was not expensive to replace or cost a staggering 5k as an option
Porsche911R said:
I find the people who can afford £5k PPF don't care and just hand the cars back again !
PPF just means the cars got no stone chips for the next owner that's it and it's the next fad which every one does now.
What a load of rubbish. The point of PPF is exactly the opposite of not caring and the next owner. PPF just means the cars got no stone chips for the next owner that's it and it's the next fad which every one does now.
All my modern stuff has had PPF from new. I've had my E92 M3 for 10 years, my Boxster S for 5 years, my 458 Spider for nearly 4 years and similar with my F12, GT3RS, Speciale, Exige 350 Sport track car. They all have PPF. They all look like spanking new still and I go round Europe at least 3 times a year.
My Exige did many track days last year and a tour of the Alps and Dolomites, at serious pace, and it's sat in the garage now looking absolutely spanking new. It's a much nicer ownership experience than having cars riddled with stone chips and swirls. On track and road trips the freedom to crack on without being concerned about stones being flicked up is superb. The amount of care I have to put into my classics both when cleaning them and driving them by comparison is painful.
I have loads of mates who do the same. PPF is common amongst long term owners. More so than short term owners in my experience. I wouldn't run a new car without full PPF now. A friend of mine doesn't, one trip round the NC500 last year and his RS6 needs a full front end respray. They're never the same after paint IMO.
Edited by _Leg_ on Thursday 8th February 11:09
_Leg_ said:
What a load of rubbish. The point of PPF is exactly the opposite of not caring and the next owner.
All my modern stuff has had PPF from new. I've had my E92 M3 for 10 years, my Boxster S for 5 years, my 458 Spider for nearly 4 years and similar with my F12, GT3RS, Speciale, Exige 350 Sport track car. They all have PPF. They all look like spanking new still and I go round Europe at least 3 times a year.
My Exige did many track days last year and a tour of the Alps and Dolomites, at serious pace, and it's sat in the garage now looking absolutely spanking new. It's a much nicer ownership experience than having cars riddled with stone chips and swirls. On track and road trips the freedom to crack on without being concerned about stones being flicked up is superb. The amount of care I have to put into my classics both when cleaning them and driving them by comparison is painful.
I have loads of mates who do the same. PPF is common amongst long term owners. More so than short term owners in my experience. I wouldn't run a new car without full PPF now. A friend of mine doesn't, one trip round the NC500 last year and his RS6 needs a full front end respray. They're never the same after paint IMO.
In gereral, what I say cannot cover 100% of people :-) but 5k PPF seems daft imo if you have got 7 cars and had £5k worth of PPF then that's £35k ppfAll my modern stuff has had PPF from new. I've had my E92 M3 for 10 years, my Boxster S for 5 years, my 458 Spider for nearly 4 years and similar with my F12, GT3RS, Speciale, Exige 350 Sport track car. They all have PPF. They all look like spanking new still and I go round Europe at least 3 times a year.
My Exige did many track days last year and a tour of the Alps and Dolomites, at serious pace, and it's sat in the garage now looking absolutely spanking new. It's a much nicer ownership experience than having cars riddled with stone chips and swirls. On track and road trips the freedom to crack on without being concerned about stones being flicked up is superb. The amount of care I have to put into my classics both when cleaning them and driving them by comparison is painful.
I have loads of mates who do the same. PPF is common amongst long term owners. More so than short term owners in my experience. I wouldn't run a new car without full PPF now. A friend of mine doesn't, one trip round the NC500 last year and his RS6 needs a full front end respray. They're never the same after paint IMO.
Edited by _Leg_ on Thursday 8th February 11:09
I would rather buy another car with £35k and suck up a few stone chips , but that's just me.
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