Boxster 981 outside of the OPC bubble
Discussion
So I'm investigating popping my Porsche cherry with a 981 Boxster, as my only other interest in the form of a 964 has sailed off into the sunset along with the other speculative cars.
However, I really dislike main dealers and their horrible pricing, I've always found better service and cheaper prices at Indies. That being said, it seems that very few (especially with the modern post 2010 stuff) actually move outside of the OPC. My question is, what impact does this have on residuals? Would a car with indie history be less appealing to p/x or sell to the masses?
I've found the 981 seems to have proven itself quite realible so far, hence my willingness to run sans-warranty. Hopefully it won't bite me like my AMG did
Bottom line - there's a bigger market (i.e. general punters) who will prefer a modern car less than 5-10 years old with an OPC service history. If you're planning to sell it in the future, and sell it easily for top money, an OPC service history is the way to go.
I'm planning to run my 981 Cayman GTS without the extended Porsche warranty from next year, but I'll continue to use my supplying OPC for the bi-annual services so I'll have a fully OPC stamped service book. For everything else I'll use my local indy.
I'm planning to run my 981 Cayman GTS without the extended Porsche warranty from next year, but I'll continue to use my supplying OPC for the bi-annual services so I'll have a fully OPC stamped service book. For everything else I'll use my local indy.
Edited by Twinfan on Friday 9th February 16:06
I'm not sure it's as simple as that. I'm having my next service done by an OPC so that it will get the 111 point check and be eligable for a Porsche warranty - which I think will be valuable (almost essential I would think) if I'm to sell it privately. There are doubtless some buyers who don't realise how little competance is required to do a good service who may feel a full OPC history is essential, so there may a few buyers who are put off. But I very much doubt it will impact resale that much. I think the Porsche warranty (or a convincing independent dealer warranty) is likely to prove more compelling than a book full of OPC stamps.
It's pretty clear that the value of OPC servicing is doubted by many owners and (thankfully) as a result OPCs have been forced to introduce servicing at more sensible (but still pretty outrageous) prices.
It's pretty clear that the value of OPC servicing is doubted by many owners and (thankfully) as a result OPCs have been forced to introduce servicing at more sensible (but still pretty outrageous) prices.
I disagree! I reckon a non-PH reading average punter buying a Porsche will want a Porsche history. Lots of people would not recognise an indy by name in the book and wouldn't bother to look them up.
OPCs might get sniffy about taking such a car as part-ex too, especially if it's a mainstream model and there are lots of others for buyers to choose from.
A 981 is only a maximum of 6 years old. Manufacturer servicing will be expected by most people.
OPCs might get sniffy about taking such a car as part-ex too, especially if it's a mainstream model and there are lots of others for buyers to choose from.
A 981 is only a maximum of 6 years old. Manufacturer servicing will be expected by most people.
Twinfan said:
I disagree! I reckon a non-PH reading average punter buying a Porsche will want a Porsche history. Lots of people would not recognise an indy by name in the book and wouldn't bother to look them up.
OPCs might get sniffy about taking such a car as part-ex too, especially if it's a mainstream model and there are lots of others for buyers to choose from.
A 981 is only a maximum of 6 years old. Manufacturer servicing will be expected by most people.
Have to agree to disagree. Most punters won't even see the book until after they buy. Porsche approved cars descriptions don't even quote service history . Suggesting that Porsche warrenty trumps service history. I think you take Mr D's view that Porsche buyers are pretty dim. Of course, some are...OPCs might get sniffy about taking such a car as part-ex too, especially if it's a mainstream model and there are lots of others for buyers to choose from.
A 981 is only a maximum of 6 years old. Manufacturer servicing will be expected by most people.
Twinfan said:
I don't think Porsche owners are dim, no.
I do, however, think that a lot of buyers of mainstream Porsches are not car fanatics like PH readers and therefore they won't understand the use of an independent specialist for a 5 year old prestige marque.
That means they are pretty dim or, if I'm being kind, very ignorant!! I do, however, think that a lot of buyers of mainstream Porsches are not car fanatics like PH readers and therefore they won't understand the use of an independent specialist for a 5 year old prestige marque.
Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 9th February 21:34
Sounds like OPC servicing is pretty much necessary while they're still "young" - as mentioned it sounds like the best approach is to use them for the main service and have all other work done at an indie. Might be convenient too, as the OPC is only 2 miles down the road from me.
Their warranty isn't too badly priced at approx. £700 a year, but ultimately I don't like being at the mercy of their consumables; I mean, £300 for a battery? That's just absurd.
Their warranty also means nothing can be non-Porsche on the car - brake discs, pads, wiper blades(!) and you have to run N rated tyres. Obviously no mods either such as Zunsport grilles, air filters, exhausts, suspension upgrades...
It's very restrictive and you have to be happy to accept that.
It's very restrictive and you have to be happy to accept that.
bcr5784 said:
That means they are pretty dim or, if I'm being kind, very ignorant!!
rubbish, if I were buying a Ferrari as I don't know the brand I would want a Ferrari with full Ferrari history.Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 9th February 21:34
Most people want full OPC history esp on mainstream cars, people like cars but 95% people had zero clue what any of my cars are.
My GT4 was a GT3 and my Cayman was a Canenne. you have to remember these are lifestyle cars now.
Twinfan said:
Their warranty also means nothing can be non-Porsche on the car - brake discs, pads, wiper blades(!) and you have to run N rated tyres. Obviously no mods either such as Zunsport grilles, air filters, exhausts, suspension upgrades...
It's very restrictive and you have to be happy to accept that.
True, but the "average" Porsche buyer (the ones "we" are trying to satisfy as opposed to PHers) probably won't be doing almost any of those things. If the buyer himself is going to use non-Porsche parts he is hardly likely to jib at an Indie service history.It's very restrictive and you have to be happy to accept that.
Had a look at secondhand cars on Pistonheads and found plenty of dealers selling young cars with Indie or part Indie service history.
Twinfan said:
Maybe, but the average buyer may well fit different pads/discs/tyres/battery if they're not running the extended warranty. That would be separate to their servicing choice as they're potential DIY or local garage jobs.
this, MY R has many non oem parts but my OPC service it and it has full OPC history.My 987 Spyder is very custom and my OPC look after that also.
I’ve bought (and sold) many used cars over the years, in fact this BGTS on order will be first ever new car (and first Porsche).
For me the ‘trust’ element and perception of the cars history can make a huge difference. I personally wouldn’t buy an expensive 2nd hand car without full main dealer service history. Just as I wouldn’t buy a car that was cat c/d - I’m sure there’s some legitimate cat c/d bargains that are as roadworthy as the day they left the factory - it’s just the tarnished history/nagging doubt that would make it a dealbreaker for me. Maybe that would be different perhaps in the lower end of the market.
There are many buyers who would for a discounted price of course, I’m just not one of them
and I’d always opted for paying a little more for the satisfaction and knowing when it comes to selling it will appeal to more buyers.
For me the ‘trust’ element and perception of the cars history can make a huge difference. I personally wouldn’t buy an expensive 2nd hand car without full main dealer service history. Just as I wouldn’t buy a car that was cat c/d - I’m sure there’s some legitimate cat c/d bargains that are as roadworthy as the day they left the factory - it’s just the tarnished history/nagging doubt that would make it a dealbreaker for me. Maybe that would be different perhaps in the lower end of the market.
There are many buyers who would for a discounted price of course, I’m just not one of them
and I’d always opted for paying a little more for the satisfaction and knowing when it comes to selling it will appeal to more buyers. Edited by Tim718 on Saturday 10th February 10:37
Tim718 said:
I’ve bought (and sold) many used cars over the years, in fact this BGTS on order will be first ever new car (and first Porsche).
For me the ‘trust’ element and perception of the cars history can make a huge difference. I personally wouldn’t buy an expensive 2nd hand car without full main dealer service history. Just as I wouldn’t buy a car that was cat c/d - I’m sure there’s some legitimate cat c/d bargains that are as roadworthy as the day they left the factory - it’s just the tarnished history/nagging doubt that would make it a dealbreaker for me. Maybe that would be different perhaps in the lower end of the market.
There are many buyers who would for a discounted price of course, I’m just not one of them and I’d always opted for paying a little more for the satisfaction and knowing when it comes to selling it will appeal to more buyers.
Cat C and D are a different matter - to repair them properly takes skill and you or I are probably not sufficiently knowledgable to know whether it's been done properly. Regular servicing of a Porsche takes rather less skill than servicing a pushbike, so I can't see any rational argument for insisting on it being done by an OPC, unless you want to keep in with your OPC or, as some do, feel it will affect resale.For me the ‘trust’ element and perception of the cars history can make a huge difference. I personally wouldn’t buy an expensive 2nd hand car without full main dealer service history. Just as I wouldn’t buy a car that was cat c/d - I’m sure there’s some legitimate cat c/d bargains that are as roadworthy as the day they left the factory - it’s just the tarnished history/nagging doubt that would make it a dealbreaker for me. Maybe that would be different perhaps in the lower end of the market.
There are many buyers who would for a discounted price of course, I’m just not one of them
and I’d always opted for paying a little more for the satisfaction and knowing when it comes to selling it will appeal to more buyers. Edited by Tim718 on Saturday 10th February 10:37
bcr5784 said:
Cat C and D are a different matter - to repair them properly takes skill and you or I are probably not sufficiently knowledgable to know whether it's been done properly. Regular servicing of a Porsche takes rather less skill than servicing a pushbike, so I can't see any rational argument for insisting on it being done by an OPC, unless you want to keep in with your OPC or, as some do, feel it will affect resale.
It’s clear it affects resale. Porsche911R said:
It’s clear it affects resale.
No its an opinion _ as I say OPCs don't even mention it in their ads. In any case it needs to affect resale more than the extra £1000 or £2000 the OPC servicing costs - I'd prefer to spend £1000 or £2000 on a Porsche warranty than some OPC stamps in a book which mean absolutely nothing.bcr5784 said:
No its an opinion _ as I say OPCs don't even mention it in their ads. In any case it needs to affect resale more than the extra £1000 or £2000 the OPC servicing costs - I'd prefer to spend £1000 or £2000 on a Porsche warranty than some OPC stamps in a book which mean absolutely nothing.
No it’s clear, it’s your opinion it does not affect it :-) 3rd party service is not that much cheaper if you get a quote and ask for discount at the OPC.
I don’t buy warranty’s on anything that’s choice a personal choice about how scared you are.
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