718 Sound and Constant Whinging !

[Pinball]

anonymous said:

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Yep, pretty much my experience of it. Money better spent elsewhere. I got PSE as a freebie, don’t think I would have specced it and paid for it.

[HighwayStar]

Pinball said:

As far as cheap shots are concerned, have a look at the criticisms of the 718 sound in this thread and pretty much any other thread with 718 in its title. It’s pretty laughable that you brought that up.

If people want to criticise the 718 and insult the owners then you’re going to get it back. If that’s uncomfortable for you then don’t start it.

The reason I mentioned the 2.7 and speed was really a response to the bullst repeatedly mentioned by 981 owners about not being bothered by the 718s superior performance. It’s a load of st hence why they bought the faster models.

Not me, I’m not one insulting any 718 owners... like I’ve said... say what you like about the 981. The thing is we don’t all like the same things. Whatever you dislike, is fine with me, I don’t expect you or anyone else to have to like it. I know people who think either car and anything over 40k to be a total waste of money. And I accept that too...
Re the superior performance.. yes in the context of the F6, faster models in the 981 range, that’s the bit your missing. The superior performance F4T style is thee deal breaker. Why get upset because some folk prefer the previous model and say why. Why take it personally. It’s not like you’re defending your wife and kids... it’s preferences of a car, sure a general conversation can be had over that... rather than accusing people of talking horsest

[DJMC]

Pinball said:

As far as cheap shots are concerned, have a look at the criticisms of the 718 sound in this thread and pretty much any other thread with 718 in its title. It’s pretty laughable that you brought that up.

If people want to criticise the 718 and insult the owners then you’re going to get it back. If that’s uncomfortable for you then don’t start it.

The reason I mentioned the 2.7 and speed was really a response to the bullst repeatedly mentioned by 981 owners about not being bothered by the 718s superior performance. It’s a load of st hence why they bought the faster models.

I test drove both the 2.7 and 3.4 Cayman 981 before deciding the smaller engine was better for me. In the S I was going too fast without much excitement going on around me. Fast but not fun.
I spent more on spec and comfort items with the 2.7 to give me a better daily driver environment as well as a fun car.

Actually, I recall test driving a 1.8 TT before going for a TTS in 2014. On reflection wringing the performance out of the smaller engine was perhaps the way to go for enjoyment, but it would have been a bit of a pain as a DD. The 2.7 981 gives me the perfect balance between these two requirements.

[P1 PET]

I prefer the drama and noise of 981 generation. I've driven 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman S which feels faster compared to the base 981 for sure but the speed isn't everything. For example, M140i or M240i with JB4 destroys 718S and GTS and will save you £20k in pocket. The point is the speed isn't everything and you can buy other cars for a lot less money which are faster than these 718 generations. If i was in the market for a car at this price range, i would seriously consider the F-Type R with supercharged V8 (550bhp) with brutal exhaust note or at least V6 which sounds phenomenal compared to these new turbocharged flat 4, or the M2 with sweet sounding inline 6 engine or stick with 981 S. 718S is fast and good to drive but it is lacking a good sound/exhaust note even when you floor it in the tunnel in Sport/+ mode. This is a no no!

Edited by P1 PET on Wednesday 25th April 15:54

[dreamcar]

Another chance to have a decent drive in a 718 today, our BGTS at the dealership to change a defective air con condenser (extended warranty fee well and truly paid for)! this time I was loaned a 718 Boxster S, PDK, PASM, Sport chrono, PSE, fully electric sports seats, full leather. Definitely quicker than our 981 BGTS, no question about that. PDK faster. Ride more compliant but how much of that is due to the different seats I don’t know ( ours has Sport seats plus). Fuel consumption looking at the trip computer I would say about 3-4 mpg better on the 718. Brakes felt ever so slightly spongy and lacking feel compared with our car, but maybe not a fair comparison as we have PCCB. That did surprise me as I didn’t notice that with a 718 Cayman S I had a few weeks ago. But sadly yet again the experience - for me - ruined by the engine. Definitely turbo lag, the vibrations I could feel through the seat and the steering wheel. No aural pleasure dropping the roof or switching PSE on, unlike our BGTS. When I got the loan car home on the drive SWMBO came out and asked if there was something wrong with it the engine “beat” it was so pronounced. Yes 718 is quicker, no argument, but that is only noticeable in certain circumstances whereas that vibration and drone is there all the time.

Call me blinkered, dinosaur or whatever but that flat four just doesn’t feel a sports car engine, has similar drive characteristic to a powerful turbo diesel, and encouraged me to drive it like one, rather than revving the engine but drive using the torque surge lower down as I would with a diesel. This technique I guess would also have contributed to the improvement in fuel consumption noted earlier.

Edited by dreamcar on Thursday 26th April 18:23

[dreamcar]

[Twinfan]

I also have a 718S loaner on my drive at the moment. There is no joy in revving the engine like you say, so I've also been driving it like the diesel it's trying to be. The only thing I like about it is the slightly smaller steering wheel, and even that I'm not overly bothered about.

I want my 981 CGTS back ASAP.

[anonymous-user]

Shock horror 981 owners don’t like the 718 engine

Looks good though, I do like the two tone colour scheme on the interior shot. If only they’d kept the 981 engine, unfortunately they did not.

Fair review Dreamcar. I need to decide whether to trade my ‘14 soon due to the mileage and it’s a tough call, I must say. We can all hold on to our 981s forever as classics I guess, but if you’re driving day to day, at some point I have to replace it and it’s a difficult choice trading in for an F4T, that’s for sure.

I saw a thread yesterday by a guy, moose?, running an old 987 over 100k miles and I take my hat off, that’s got to be expensive, fixing stuff all the time with all the maintenance kind of turns me off the classics route unfortunately. That said the last of the flat sixes will always have a value no doubt.

[dreamcar]

Schmed said:

Shock horror 981 owners don’t like the 718 engine

Looks good though, I do like the two tone colour scheme on the interior shot. If only they’d kept the 981 engine, unfortunately they did not.

Fair review Dreamcar. I need to decide whether to trade my ‘14 soon due to the mileage and it’s a tough call, I must say. We can all hold on to our 981s forever as classics I guess, but if you’re driving day to day, at some point I have to replace it and it’s a difficult choice trading in for an F4T, that’s for sure.

I saw a thread yesterday by a guy, moose?, running an old 987 over 100k miles and I take my hat off, that’s got to be expensive, fixing stuff all the time with all the maintenance kind of turns me off the classics route unfortunately. That said the last of the flat sixes will always have a value no doubt.

If you are happy with your ‘14 plate 981s I would say keep it, that is no age for a Porsche it is a great car with a proper engine that befits the car’s stature as one of the all time great sports cars. FYI you can now purchase a Porsche extended warranty for cars up to 15 years old. Your 981 is only a year older than our GTS (you haven’t stated the mileage - our BGTS has only covered 14k). and I wouldn’t change for a 718 any four cylinder 718 no way.

Yes that 718 looks great, I too like the bi-colour leather with the deviated colour stitching and the way the stitching now runs on the face of the fascia roll and down either side of the transmission tunnel. I don’t like the repositioned sport chrono clock though, instead of being nicely integrated as on 981 the fascia top “wart” of the 987 generation has made an unwelcome return.

Edited by dreamcar on Thursday 26th April 19:25

[bcr5784]

Off topic I know but I had the opportunity to drive an Evora (410) today -liked it far more than I expected. My 981S felt rather dull afterwards - and while I expected less refinement, in fact I got much more at motorway speeds. Does it sound as good as the 981S - debatable (but good though, vastly better than the 718 to me) - but more engaging to me than either 718 or 981 in the handling department.

I bet you weren't expecting that - I wasn't. Yes I know it's much more expensive - but so is a 911 and it doesn't interest me.

[WG]

Oh - for God's sake give it a rest ! I haven't looked at this thread for a few weeks and people are STILL re-gurgitating the same old comments. You don't like the sound of the 718 FINE don't bloody buy one then ! who cares - REALLY - and believe me I really couldn't give a toss. Yes I have a 718 and yes I enjoy it That is all that is important to me.

[Twinfan]

dreamcar said:

I don’t like the repositioned sport chrono clock though, instead of being nicely integrated as on 981 the fascia top “wart” of the 987 generation has made an unwelcome return.

Agreed. I don't like the new style air vents either.

[dreamcar]

WG said:

Oh - for God's sake give it a rest ! I haven't looked at this thread for a few weeks and people are STILL re-gurgitating the same old comments. You don't like the sound of the 718 FINE don't bloody buy one then ! who cares - REALLY - and believe me I really couldn't give a toss. Yes I have a 718 and yes I enjoy it That is all that is important to me.

I was purely giving an honest appraisal after driving a 718 Boxster S which I had not driven for any length of time previously. Good points mentioned as well as what I didn’t like. And I didn’t actually criticise the sound, which is what this thread was raised about in the first place. If I had been more honest I would have stated what my wife actually said when I put the 718 on the drive “what’s wrong with that car - it sounds awful”. There, you now have it from someone who isn’t a n/a dinosaur or even a petrol head.

If you don’t like people posting honest reviews that you don’t happen to agree with I really don’t care less. Some don’t like the 718. Get over it. Get out and enjoy your 718, that’s fine with me.

Edited by dreamcar on Thursday 26th April 20:40

[anonymous-user]

WG said:

Oh - for God's sake give it a rest ! I haven't looked at this thread for a few weeks and people are STILL re-gurgitating the same old comments. You don't like the sound of the 718 FINE don't bloody buy one then ! who cares - REALLY - and believe me I really couldn't give a toss. Yes I have a 718 and yes I enjoy it That is all that is important to me.

Well said, Sir.

When 981 was launched the same blowhards were blithering "it's not as good as the old car".

Drive and enjoy!

[Twinfan]

dreamcar said:

If I had been more honest I would have stated what my wife actually said when I put the 718 on the drive “what’s wrong with that car - it sounds awful”. There, you now have it from someone who isn’t a n/a dinosaur or even a petrol head.

My wife, who is a petrol head, commented on the 718s she heard going round PEC as "sounding like their engines are broken".

Her 4-cylinder mk3 Focus RS has a much more pleasing sound to our ears, and I would take one of those over a 718 if I had to have a turbo engined car. It's cheaper, has a superb 4WD system and is a hoot too drive!

Ford RS owners also seem much less sensitive to adverse comments on their car as they don't take it personally...

[tedblog]

Twinfan said:

My wife, who is a petrol head, commented on the 718s she heard going round PEC as "sounding like their engines are broken".



Ford RS owners also seem much less sensitive to adverse comments on their car as they don't take it personally...

If it was an inline 4 then the sound would be different, the boxer engine is pretty unique in its sound you cant compare.


The RS forums were awful when the 5 door mk3 came out , pretty similar to here in fact old one better than new one and visa versa , seems that a new model out seems to raise issues no matter what make?

[Twinfan]

I guess, but people over there seem less sensitive!

[anonymous-user]

Out of interest is the PDK any different in the 718 ? Some appear to say it’s improved, in my 981 it can be a bit ‘clunky’ sometimes getting into gear from cold. I wondered if they’ve refined it in the latest version. I know the PCM is meant to be vastly better.

[dreamcar]

Schmed said:

Out of interest is the PDK any different in the 718 ? Some appear to say it’s improved, in my 981 it can be a bit ‘clunky’ sometimes getting into gear from cold. I wondered if they’ve refined it in the latest version. I know the PCM is meant to be vastly better.

I’d say definitely yes. In the same way the 981 PDK was significantly better than 987, 718 PDK is both quicker changing and smoother than 981. It’s an amazing gearbox, and so much better (so is the PDK ‘box in our 981 BGTS) - than the similar - in theory - double-clutch ‘box in the Mk. 7.5 VW Golf GTI which we also own.

Edited by dreamcar on Thursday 26th April 22:18

[WG]

Schmed said:

Out of interest is the PDK any different in the 718 ? Some appear to say it’s improved, in my 981 it can be a bit ‘clunky’ sometimes getting into gear from cold. I wondered if they’ve refined it in the latest version. I know the PCM is meant to be vastly better.

Can't comment on PDK in 718 v 981 but in my opinion 718 v 987 it has been improved.Changes SEEM quicker to me and certainly the feel of the paddles is much more positive/immediate. This is something I immediately noticed in my first test drive of 718.