718 Sound and Constant Whinging !
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Twinfan said:
I completely agree. It's arguably not as good as a hydraulic system but it's not exactly unworthy of being fitted to a car!
depends what you want from the car, you saw my 718 GTS review, it's a bloody fast car, I don't want it though.What does better mean ?
As I finished off in my review a lot of people have found an era they like and are trying to keep what they have, no right and wrong in that, but some one cannot shun the 987.2 real feel range saying a 981 is better, then say the 718 is not as good when really the 718 is better again.
I've just been out in my 718S loaner and I would probably agree that the slightly heavier steering feels a bit better to me than my 981. It doesn't make the 981 rubbish, just different. Same as the GT4 I drove, that was also heavier than my car and different rather than better.
There's no night and day difference in my experience, each to their own.
There's no night and day difference in my experience, each to their own.
Twinfan said:
I've just been out in my 718S loaner and I would probably agree that the slightly heavier steering feels a bit better to me than my 981. It doesn't make the 981 rubbish, just different. Same as the GT4 I drove, that was also heavier than my car and different rather than better.
There's no night and day difference in my experience, each to their own.
hydraulic system vs EPS is night and day and more so in the wet.There's no night and day difference in my experience, each to their own.
I drive all these cars back to back daily, the 981 Spyder is like the 718 system, so I get to use all systems, you get used to any system quite quick, I think people forgot how good a "hydraulic system" is and have just got used to EPS now.
Within limits all the systems are great, over the limits is when you need more feel and that's where EPS is lacking, in my review I did say I am not sure people understand I take these cars over the limits to post reviews, bit like people saying the GT4 does not under steer, well not inside it's limits but it does over them, just like every factory car.
The Newer/Better the car the higher the limits the more people will not find EPS and understeering geo's an issue as they won't reach the limits of the cars.
It's getting just about impossible to go over the limits of these newer cars now. That why some people don't agree with some of my comments.
And why you will find people going back to air cooled or asking about a more RAW car to buy for fun, cars with lower limits and more feel.
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 27th April 13:51
Porsche911R said:
hydraulic system vs EPS is night and day and more so in the wet.
The Newer/Better the car the higher the limits the more people will not find EPS and understeering geo's an issue as they won't reach the limits of the cars.
You don't need to get anywhere near the limits to experience the difference between the various steering systems (or a cars tendency to understeer for that matter) . Drive a Caterham or Elise round the first roundabout and you will know that they have far more steering feel than any PAS, and likewise you don't need to go any further to know that (say) an Evora 410 understeers less than my 981.The Newer/Better the car the higher the limits the more people will not find EPS and understeering geo's an issue as they won't reach the limits of the cars.
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 27th April 13:51
Twinfan said:
I've just been out in my 718S loaner and I would probably agree that the slightly heavier steering feels a bit better to me than my 981. It doesn't make the 981 rubbish, just different. Same as the GT4 I drove, that was also heavier than my car and different rather than better.
There's no night and day difference in my experience, each to their own.
Which suspension did it have? In terms of steering weight I noticed a difference between SPASM and PASM on the 718.There's no night and day difference in my experience, each to their own.
ghiblicup said:
Yep... that guy. Fairly much says what most who favour the 981 have been saying. Nothing nasty, just different to what we prefer and want.So many reviews, of the Germans, I quite like Autogefühl’s which seems fairly even handed:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y1wYshcPmpw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y1wYshcPmpw
Schmed said:
So many reviews, of the Germans, I quite like Autogefühl’s which seems fairly even handed:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y1wYshcPmpw
I like their reviews... always in depth, giving more than other YouTube videos. Well balanced and informative https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y1wYshcPmpw
HighwayStar said:
ghiblicup said:
Yep... that guy. Fairly much says what most who favour the 981 have been saying. Nothing nasty, just different to what we prefer and want.dreamcar said:
He does say the flat four is out of character with the rest of the car - chassis sharp engine response not so, lacks the excitement of the N/A six
How can you say the engine response is not sharp?That’s quantifiably garbage. I was at the Porsche driving centre Friday and was listening to the instructors there compare the 718 to the 981. No input from me or any other client.
Literally only victory they gave to the 981 was the sound and they didn’t beat about the bush. They gave the 718 sound some stick - but every other driving element they handed to the 718 and they made a fair point of taking the piss out of the keyboard warriors on here bashing the car. Of course they loved the 981. Much to praise in it. But the trash talk on here is well removed from reality.
You’re all now welcome to ignore this in favour of statements that reinforce your own opinions but the future is here. The car has changed and changed very much for the better.
The pros think so. Most owners think so.
Now, please, carry on being wrong *thumbs up*
The engine response is not sharp when off boost, that's the nature of turbo engines! Naturally aspirated engines are sharp at all times.
I'd hate to be a PEC instructor. Driving a 718S loaner this week gave me a constant headache - the note of the droning engine was that bad. It also sounded worse the higher it revved, completely opposite to the 981.
How many of the PEC consultants actually own a 718, did you ask them? The number that do (or don't) would say a lot.
I'd hate to be a PEC instructor. Driving a 718S loaner this week gave me a constant headache - the note of the droning engine was that bad. It also sounded worse the higher it revved, completely opposite to the 981.
How many of the PEC consultants actually own a 718, did you ask them? The number that do (or don't) would say a lot.
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