718 Sound and Constant Whinging !
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BE57JAM said:
dreamcar said:
He does say the flat four is out of character with the rest of the car - chassis sharp engine response not so, lacks the excitement of the N/A six
How can you say the engine response is not sharp?That’s quantifiably garbage. I was at the Porsche driving centre Friday and was listening to the instructors there compare the 718 to the 981. No input from me or any other client.
Literally only victory they gave to the 981 was the sound and they didn’t beat about the bush. They gave the 718 sound some stick - but every other driving element they handed to the 718 and they made a fair point of taking the piss out of the keyboard warriors on here bashing the car. Of course they loved the 981. Much to praise in it. But the trash talk on here is well removed from reality.
You’re all now welcome to ignore this in favour of statements that reinforce your own opinions but the future is here. The car has changed and changed very much for the better.
The pros think so. Most owners think so.
Now, please, carry on being wrong *thumbs up*
It’s preference for one of the other. How can that be wrong?
You prefer the 718, I prefer the 981... look, we both win
BE57JAM said:
How can you say the engine response is not sharp?That’s quantifiably garbage.
Firstly I didn’t but the tester did, but the turbo four throttle response is not as instant as the n/a six. A turbo engine, even a good one will not respond as quickly as a good n/a engine. It can’t, there will always be a delay with a turbo engine when you demand more power as the turbo has to “spool up” and provide air to the cylinders before that is converted to power. A n/a engine simply doesn’t have that delay. Fact I’m afraid, like it or not. dreamcar said:
Firstly I didn’t but the tester did, but the turbo four throttle response is not as instant as the n/a six. A turbo engine, even a good one will not respond as quickly as a good n/a engine. It can’t, there will always be a delay with a turbo engine when you demand more power as the turbo has to “spool up” and provide air to the cylinders before that is converted to power. A n/a engine simply doesn’t have that delay. Fact I’m afraid, like it or not.
Agree I thought there was quite a bit of lag in the 718, more than my Golf CS in fact.This turbo lag and spooling chat is entirely inconsistent with my experience as an owner of 718 GTS. You’ll notice more of a delay after slamming your foot down and waiting for the brilliant PDK to drop a gear for you than you will notice any supposed “turbo lag”. I know you have some pics but you sound, to me, like some who has read about turbos but not driven this car.
The pros were being pretty frank actually and weren’t really having a, quite different, open chat with the customer group. They spoke about emission rules playing a factor and why people like to get pissy over supposed changes that are a detriment to the car over all - As they snorted that us humble customers know more than their engineers and racing drivers.
Glad you guys love the 981 but this thread has never been about balance and compromise. It started as a moan about people moaning but has just become people moaning.
In the words of my instructor. If you want to listen to it buy a 981. If you want anything else then you should go for the 718.
The pros were being pretty frank actually and weren’t really having a, quite different, open chat with the customer group. They spoke about emission rules playing a factor and why people like to get pissy over supposed changes that are a detriment to the car over all - As they snorted that us humble customers know more than their engineers and racing drivers.
Glad you guys love the 981 but this thread has never been about balance and compromise. It started as a moan about people moaning but has just become people moaning.
In the words of my instructor. If you want to listen to it buy a 981. If you want anything else then you should go for the 718.
dreamcar said:
I would hardly expect a PEC instructor who is in Porsche’s employment to say anything else!!!
Another amazing example of people wanting to stick their head in the sand. If you guys could just complete the set by saying faster and quicker handling doesn’t equal a better sports car this chat will be complete.
BE57JAM said:
Another amazing example of people wanting to stick their head in the sand.
If you guys could just complete the set by saying faster and quicker handling doesn’t equal a better sports car this chat will be complete.
You don't think the 718 has any lag then ?If you guys could just complete the set by saying faster and quicker handling doesn’t equal a better sports car this chat will be complete.
981 vs 718 for chassis and every thing else is pointless the levels are so high in these cars there is nothing between them.
What I will say is the 718GTS is bloody fast, and I mean a lot faster than the 981.
I had a manual so I guess I would notice lag more than a PDK car, no lag on WOT changes, but that’s not real life when waiting to over take, when you floor it you get lag, In the flat 6 it’s instance throttle response.
Sorry to say faster does not equal a better sports car , if we all thought that we would be in 570's. And I’ll tell you now the 570 has more steering feel also.
I don't like the 981 either, and people said that was better in every way than the 987.2.
I thought the 718 a bit emotionless to drive and too fast really, add in the lag, the sound, the eps it's not a car for me. Due to the extra performance and weight on the 718 it's now under braked also.
If you want to win at the lights, or on paper stats or at track days than yes the 718 is better in every way. If you think that makes a better sports car then you are right, if you think it's what a lot of people want in a car you are wrong.
Porsche911R said:
If you want to win at the lights, or on paper stats or at track days than yes the 718 is better in every way. If you think that makes a better sports car then you are right, if you think it's what a lot of people want in a car you are wrong.
I can shake hands on this. Why do people think this car lacks soul or emotion though? I find mine hilarious...?
No emotion whatsoever in the 718S cars I've driven. I could not fall for whatever charms it's supposed to have in any way. The engine, while quick, I couldn't live if it was the last engine on earth.
Not quite sure why I'm responding to you though, you're clearly just trying to stir up s
t again.
Not quite sure why I'm responding to you though, you're clearly just trying to stir up s
t again.BE57JAM said:
dreamcar said:
I would hardly expect a PEC instructor who is in Porsche’s employment to say anything else!!!
Another amazing example of people wanting to stick their head in the sand. If you guys could just complete the set by saying faster and quicker handling doesn’t equal a better sports car this chat will be complete.
tedblog said:
When i had a drive in one at PEC the instructor told me to dab the accelerator when looking at overtaking as this holds the gear so when you do nip past the lag isnt there as the turbo has already spooled up
That makes sense - but hardly the way to have to drive what is supposed to be a sports car engine!I note that the PEC instructor did admit to turbo lag existing and being so significant you have to adapt to a driving style to compensate!!
Twinfan said:
No emotion whatsoever in the 718S cars I've driven. I could not fall for whatever charms it's supposed to have in any way. The engine, while quick, I couldn't live if it was the last engine on earth.
Not quite sure why I'm responding to you though, you're clearly just trying to stir up st again.
What is the issue with a few of you saying I’m trying to stir trouble??? You have literally just said you could not live with this engine of it was the last engine on earth. What a silly, silly, ridiculous thing to say. Yet i’m The one causing trouble? I think a few of you chaps don’t like not getting your own way. Not quite sure why I'm responding to you though, you're clearly just trying to stir up s
t again.Any way. Back to the car chat. Now we’re getting some sensible comments about the 981 having worse performance we can get to a sensible conclusion. The new model is a marked improvement in performance but some people prefer the old one. No one can argue with preference.
But people on here saying the breaks are spungey on the 718. That the lag is unbearable. That the handling is poor. That the 718 is soulless. Nah guys. Those points are utterly, utterly and factually incorrect.
So you chaps who don’t like what I’m saying. Stop talking your own nonsense. The 718 is absolute power house and a fantastic car.
BE57JAM said:
What is the issue with a few of you saying I’m trying to stir trouble???
Because you've done it before, and the comments you make are confrontational.BE57JAM said:
You have literally just said you could not live with this engine of it was the last engine on earth. What a silly, silly, ridiculous thing to say. Yet i’m The one causing trouble? I think a few of you chaps don’t like not getting your own way.
I'm expressing my own opinion, nothing silly or ridiculous in that. I'm not claiming "facts", unlike yourself.BE57JAM said:
But people on here saying the breaks are spungey on the 718. That the lag is unbearable. That the handling is poor. That the 718 is soulless. Nah guys. Those points are utterly, utterly and factually incorrect.
One person found the brakes lacking after hard use, it's fair to state that experience as a fact. The other stuff is opinion - no-one said the handling was poor, just not that much different to the 981, the lag is unbearable to some, especially if you prefer NA engine characteristics, soul is how the car speaks to you etc. You seem to only see black and white, but there are many shades of grey inbetween.BE57JAM said:
So you chaps who don’t like what I’m saying. Stop talking your own nonsense. The 718 is absolute power house and a fantastic car.
Not in my opinion it isn't. The F4T engine ruins the car, by far outweighing the light tweaks and minor improvements made to everything else. As a complete package, it's worse. That's my opinion, yours differs, and we will never agree.Twinfan said:
......The F4T engine ruins the car, by far outweighing the light tweaks and minor improvements made to everything else. As a complete package, it's worse. That's my opinion, yours differs, and we will never agree.
And I agree with you Twinfan 100%, Three hours and 150 miles in the loaner Boxster 718S last week was more than enough for me. The turbo lag, the drone, the constant vibrations through seat, steering wheel and pedals and the complete lack of any excitement other than it was undoubtably quick. What a shame such a potentially great sports car has been ruined for so many.dreamcar said:
That makes sense - but hardly the way to have to drive what is supposed to be a sports car engine!
I note that the PEC instructor did admit to turbo lag existing and being so significant you have to adapt to a driving style to compensate!!
No he didnt say about any lag it was to keep the car on the edge for a quick overtake instead of having to drop gears or kick down etc.Why isnt it a way to drive a spoirtscar, surely no set way?I note that the PEC instructor did admit to turbo lag existing and being so significant you have to adapt to a driving style to compensate!!
My style is lazy like instant response i dont like to work the gears, thats why i dont ride 600cc bikes and i love v twins as they are torquey and instant shove from as low as 30 mph in top.
Everybody likes to drive differently and its not for me to keep up and down the gears to keep it moving either bikes or cars.
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