718 Sound and Constant Whinging !
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tedblog said:
No he didnt say about any lag it was to keep the car on the edge for a quick overtake instead of having to drop gears or kick down etc.
My style is lazy like instant response i dont like to work the gears, thats why i dont ride 600cc bikes and i love v twins as they are torquey and instant shove from as low as 30 mph in top.
Everybody likes to drive differently and its not for me to keep up and down the gears to keep it moving either bikes or cars.
Not how your original comment reads, but whatever. Yes if your driving style is more relaxed and you like to ride on a wave of torque I can understand that. I drive my Golf GTI DSG in the same manner. In fact the programming of its DSG ‘box encourages that style.My style is lazy like instant response i dont like to work the gears, thats why i dont ride 600cc bikes and i love v twins as they are torquey and instant shove from as low as 30 mph in top.
Everybody likes to drive differently and its not for me to keep up and down the gears to keep it moving either bikes or cars.
BE57JAM said:
I was at the Porsche driving centre Friday and was listening to the instructors there compare the 718 to the 981. No input from me or any other client.
Literally only victory they gave to the 981 was the sound and they didn’t beat about the bush. They gave the 718 sound some stick - but every other driving element they handed to the 718 and they made a fair point of taking the piss out of the keyboard warriors on here bashing the car. Of course they loved the 981. Much to praise in it. But the trash talk on here is well removed from reality.
You’re all now welcome to ignore this in favour of statements that reinforce your own opinions but the future is here. The car has changed and changed very much for the better.
The pros think so. Most owners think so.
That's unbelievable! Porsche employees endorse Porsche 718. Hold the front page.Literally only victory they gave to the 981 was the sound and they didn’t beat about the bush. They gave the 718 sound some stick - but every other driving element they handed to the 718 and they made a fair point of taking the piss out of the keyboard warriors on here bashing the car. Of course they loved the 981. Much to praise in it. But the trash talk on here is well removed from reality.
You’re all now welcome to ignore this in favour of statements that reinforce your own opinions but the future is here. The car has changed and changed very much for the better.
The pros think so. Most owners think so.
The thing you don'rt really get is that a lot of people prefer the flat-six. I've owned a 981 2.7 Cayman, and now a 981 Cayman GTS. Both preferable to the 718, and I've tried the 718 Boxster S. Yes it's fast, but it was also boring. And the engine noise was frankly awful for a sports car, particularly such an expensive one.
James McScotty said:
That's unbelievable! Porsche employees endorse Porsche 718. Hold the front page.
The thing you don'rt really get is that a lot of people prefer the flat-six. I've owned a 981 2.7 Cayman, and now a 981 Cayman GTS. Both preferable to the 718, and I've tried the 718 Boxster S. Yes it's fast, but it was also boring. And the engine noise was frankly awful for a sports car, particularly such an expensive one.
The expensive one because its Porsche , everything with Porsche is expensive , cars, spares, servicing even accessories, £125 for a plastic boot liner !!!! but the big but is they sell everything they build be it a Cayenne to a 718 they all sell , so someone is buying them.Yes there are better sounding (to some) cars out there and a lot cheaper but its still a Porsche and people will look .The thing you don'rt really get is that a lot of people prefer the flat-six. I've owned a 981 2.7 Cayman, and now a 981 Cayman GTS. Both preferable to the 718, and I've tried the 718 Boxster S. Yes it's fast, but it was also boring. And the engine noise was frankly awful for a sports car, particularly such an expensive one.
Ive been to bike meets on my Hondas, Kawasaki bikes and you just blend it , i turned up on a Ducati and its so different so much more interest yet £20K for a bike there are much cheaper sportsbikes out there that do the same thing, but the name has something , the same with Porsche?
Bob-2146 said:
I rarely see so many dinosaurs in denial - except on this thread...
Edited by Bob-2146 on Sunday 29th April 18:55
BE57JAM said:
Another amazing example of people wanting to stick their head in the sand.
If you guys could just complete the set by saying faster and quicker handling doesn’t equal a better sports car this chat will be complete.
Faster and quicker handling doesn’t equal a better sports car !If you guys could just complete the set by saying faster and quicker handling doesn’t equal a better sports car this chat will be complete.
The fact that you imply otherwise just tells me how much experience you have of sports cars and how you drive them.
As we are not beating around the bush any longer and you obviously don’t have the experience to understand even basics such as turbo lag we should keep it plain and simple, the 718 engine is not very good for a c£70k sports car and that manifests itself in a less rewarding driving experience than the car its replaced.
That makes the 981 seem even better but its pretty sad really that Porsche could not find a better solution to meet emissions without effectively losing its “porsche ness”.
alan718Gts said:
totally agree. I gave up arguing because those 981 purist has a superiority complex, the 981 is just a F6, it’s nothing special, there is alot more cars with much better soundtrack V8,V10’s or the V6 Turbo is also a very nice sound
But thats the thing, the F6 in the 981 is something a bit special and there simply are not many better sounding cars whether V8, V10 or (did you really say) V6 turbo lol. Nb bit of a physics lesson........ it is very hard for any turbo engine to sound as good as a NA engine, the turbos by there very nature tend to muffle the sound ;-) end of lesson.
That is not to say there are not some good sounding FI engines, the 718 is just not even close to being one of them.
Edited by jonttt on Sunday 29th April 19:44
Twinfan said:
Because you've done it before, and the comments you make are confrontational.
I’m not sure about that one. You might notice I was the guy above who said “back to the car chat” what you don’t like is the fact I’m disagreeing with you and using numbers and engineering points where as some of you guys are using what you ‘like’ to slag off the 718. I’ve not slagged the 981 off. I’ve just called out the utter garbage some of you are talking about an excellent car. BE57JAM said:
what you don’t like is the fact I’m disagreeing with you and using numbers and engineering points where as some of you guys are using what you ‘like’ to slag off the 718. I’ve not slagged the 981 off. I’ve just called out the utter garbage some of you are talking about an excellent car.
You really don't get it do you?I totally understand that you like your choice of car and disagree with your view of it as I see it very differently. That seems to bother you, as if you'd bought the car for total respect and admiration that you're not getting. Numbers and engineering points are not everything otherwise no-one would have any interest in classic cars, for example - everyone values aspects of a car differently.
Sports cars are very often about emotion, not stats on paper. That's why the engine difference is so divisive.
Sports cars, for me at least, are about power, speed, handling and looking good.
There’s a lot of bulls
t written on here and a lot of people with their heads in the sand imo.
My 981 is a great car, but let’s be honest it’s not the greatest engine ever built, and the car also has its faults (mainly long gearing and tech as the PCM is poor).
That’s not to say I’m ever trading for an F4T, however.
There’s a lot of bulls
t written on here and a lot of people with their heads in the sand imo.My 981 is a great car, but let’s be honest it’s not the greatest engine ever built, and the car also has its faults (mainly long gearing and tech as the PCM is poor).
That’s not to say I’m ever trading for an F4T, however.
Schmed said:
Sports cars, for me at least, are about power, speed, handling and looking good.
There’s a lot of bullst written on here and a lot of people with their heads in the sand imo.
My 981 is a great car, but let’s be honest it’s not the greatest engine ever built, and the car also has its faults (mainly long gearing and tech as the PCM is poor).
That’s not to say I’m ever trading for an F4T, however.
Well done this man!There’s a lot of bulls
t written on here and a lot of people with their heads in the sand imo.My 981 is a great car, but let’s be honest it’s not the greatest engine ever built, and the car also has its faults (mainly long gearing and tech as the PCM is poor).
That’s not to say I’m ever trading for an F4T, however.
Fair enough.
BE57JAM said:
Schmed said:
Sports cars, for me at least, are about power, speed, handling and looking good.
There’s a lot of bullst written on here and a lot of people with their heads in the sand imo.
My 981 is a great car, but let’s be honest it’s not the greatest engine ever built, and the car also has its faults (mainly long gearing and tech as the PCM is poor).
That’s not to say I’m ever trading for an F4T, however.
Well done this man!There’s a lot of bulls
t written on here and a lot of people with their heads in the sand imo.My 981 is a great car, but let’s be honest it’s not the greatest engine ever built, and the car also has its faults (mainly long gearing and tech as the PCM is poor).
That’s not to say I’m ever trading for an F4T, however.
Fair enough.
Thinking about it a 964 with cat delete and cup pipe is pretty hard to better sound wise.
964, 981, 718, they're all great cars in their own way. They are a Porsche after all.
Schmed said:
Sports cars, for me at least, are about power, speed, handling and looking good.
There’s a lot of bullst written on here and a lot of people with their heads in the sand imo.
My 981 is a great car, but let’s be honest it’s not the greatest engine ever built, and the car also has its faults (mainly long gearing and tech as the PCM is poor).
That’s not to say I’m ever trading for an F4T, however.
That’s the first bit of sense written in this thread. I love my 981 Boxster S but the engine isn’t a complete stunner. And it is definitely dulled by the gearing. However, there is nothing else out there that fits my personal brief of roof down, luxury, great handling and nippy two seater.There’s a lot of bulls
t written on here and a lot of people with their heads in the sand imo.My 981 is a great car, but let’s be honest it’s not the greatest engine ever built, and the car also has its faults (mainly long gearing and tech as the PCM is poor).
That’s not to say I’m ever trading for an F4T, however.
I also wouldn’t have a 718 over it even though it would be an easier pedal.
I really like the C43 AMG noise, i think its sound better than my M4 i have now. I can’t agree that the F6 is anything special and i agree the F4T don’t sound good but it isn’t That bad! other good area’s of the car covers more than enough it’s weakness. Maybe i am the younger generation hence my taste is abit different than the older lot. I grew up with uncles having mostly turbo cars and i only had 335i,435i ,M4 and now collecting my GTS in a few days to run along side the M4.
Anyway we should all enjoy the cars we like and forget about the ones we don’t. I just don’t understand why the long breath of the moaners , moaning over so many pages. just enjoy your 981’s and we 718 will enjoy our 718’s.
jonttt said:
But thats the thing, the F6 in the 981 is something a bit special and there simply are not many better sounding cars whether V8, V10 or (did you really say) V6 turbo lol.
Edited by jonttt on Sunday 29th April 19:44
mr pg said:
I have a 981 CS, and love it. It's a good engine, and sounds nice, but I'm surprised no one ever mentions the step at 4k when it feels like it's coming on cam in old parlence, or like a turbo spinning up! I've drive a 718 BS, and liked many aspects, the torque in particular. I've previously owned a 3.0 Z3, and a 964, both of which sounded even better than the F6, but does that mean they were better cars?
Thinking about it a 964 with cat delete and cup pipe is pretty hard to better sound wise.
964, 981, 718, they're all great cars in their own way. They are a Porsche after all.
Not sure how you can say the Z3 3.0 sounds better than the 981 F6. There is no comparison IMHO. I had to fit an Eisenmann Race exhaust to my Z3m (S54) to get it to sound anything like decent. The 3.0 is too muted, in fact the 2.2 sounded better in the Z3 with stock exhaust ;-)Thinking about it a 964 with cat delete and cup pipe is pretty hard to better sound wise.
964, 981, 718, they're all great cars in their own way. They are a Porsche after all.
An aircooled with modded / hacked exhaust does sound good, having the sound deadening stripped out of my 993 mufflers transformed the muted stock sound but again the 981 especially in GTS guise is a much more intoxicating soundtrack. I’ve enjoyed driving my 993 this week but did not use it at all last year purely down to the 981.
Edited by jonttt on Monday 30th April 01:01
And just in case there is still any doubt about turbo lag ..........
““Natural aspiration is one of our main USPs,” Andreas Preuninger, head of GT car development at Porsche, told Autocar earlier this year. “At Motorsport, we think we can achieve throttle response and immediacy a little bit better with an atmospheric high-revving engine than any kind of turbo.”
What could he have been talking about......... the new GT4 / Spyder of course. What does that say about what Porsche thinks of its 718 as a drivers car when its not constrained by emissions legislation (especially in markets such as China), mmmmmmm
““Natural aspiration is one of our main USPs,” Andreas Preuninger, head of GT car development at Porsche, told Autocar earlier this year. “At Motorsport, we think we can achieve throttle response and immediacy a little bit better with an atmospheric high-revving engine than any kind of turbo.”
What could he have been talking about......... the new GT4 / Spyder of course. What does that say about what Porsche thinks of its 718 as a drivers car when its not constrained by emissions legislation (especially in markets such as China), mmmmmmm
jonttt said:
And just in case there is still any doubt about turbo lag ..........
““Natural aspiration is one of our main USPs,” Andreas Preuninger, head of GT car development at Porsche, told Autocar earlier this year. “At Motorsport, we think we can achieve throttle response and immediacy a little bit better with an atmospheric high-revving engine than any kind of turbo.”
What could he have been talking about......... the new GT4 / Spyder of course. What does that say about what Porsche thinks of its 718 as a drivers car when its not constrained by emissions legislation (especially in markets such as China), mmmmmmm
Can’t understand Porsche having a dinosaur in charge of their Motorsport Division...... ““Natural aspiration is one of our main USPs,” Andreas Preuninger, head of GT car development at Porsche, told Autocar earlier this year. “At Motorsport, we think we can achieve throttle response and immediacy a little bit better with an atmospheric high-revving engine than any kind of turbo.”
What could he have been talking about......... the new GT4 / Spyder of course. What does that say about what Porsche thinks of its 718 as a drivers car when its not constrained by emissions legislation (especially in markets such as China), mmmmmmm
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