718 Sound and Constant Whinging !

[Twinfan]

Honeywell said:

I keep looking at this manual 718:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

A manual five year old 2.7 981 is about £26k. No warranty, 50,000 miles and big bills looming. I keep thinking a £13k stretch seems like a logical thing to do as I can borrow money for 2% to make the stretch,

What would you do?

BE57JAM said:

You already know you want the new and improved car. Unfortunately you’re not going to get permission for that from these guys.

If you’ve got to live with the car daily and you don’t want the interior to feel dated get the 718.

If you like the idea of standing still till you hit 4K revs go for the 981.

Also apparently having to really work the car is a good thing and characterful with this crowed but loads of accessible grunt and everyday usability equals soulless. You can judge for yourself if that makes sense to you.

The newer car is a lightly tweaked version of the older one, bar the engine. It's likely this will sway your decision one way or the other, especially after you've test driven both.

If updated tech is very important to you in a car then the 718 is more up your street. If the car's more important, see the last post re. the engines and test drives.

If you like to rev an engine and want it to howl, keep the old car. If you like turbo-diesel style performance, you should try the 718.

If you've not driven a 718 yet Honeywell, I'd say try one out. It will push you one way or the other pretty much immediately.

[HighwayStar]

BE57JAM said:

Honeywell said:

I keep looking at this manual 718:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...


A manual five year old 2.7 981 is about £26k. No warranty, 50,000 miles and big bills looming. I keep thinking a £13k stretch seems like a logical thing to do as I can borrow money for 2% to make the stretch,

What would you do?

You already know you want the new and improved car. Unfortunately you’re not going to get permission for that from these guys.

If you’ve got to live with the car daily and you don’t want the interior to feel dated get the 718.

If you like the idea of standing still till you hit 4K revs go for the 981.

Also apparently having to really work the car is a good thing and characterful with this crowed but loads of accessible grunt and everyday usability equals soulless. You can judge for yourself if that makes sense to you.

He'll make up his own mind... like you did and we did. Just accept what we say. I accept your reasons for preferring the 718. Months of this thread and you just can't accept that some people prefer something different. You don't get it and never well.

[BE57JAM]

HighwayStar said:

BE57JAM said:

Honeywell said:

I keep looking at this manual 718:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...


A manual five year old 2.7 981 is about £26k. No warranty, 50,000 miles and big bills looming. I keep thinking a £13k stretch seems like a logical thing to do as I can borrow money for 2% to make the stretch,

What would you do?

You already know you want the new and improved car. Unfortunately you’re not going to get permission for that from these guys.

If you’ve got to live with the car daily and you don’t want the interior to feel dated get the 718.

If you like the idea of standing still till you hit 4K revs go for the 981.

Also apparently having to really work the car is a good thing and characterful with this crowed but loads of accessible grunt and everyday usability equals soulless. You can judge for yourself if that makes sense to you.

He'll make up his own mind... like you did and we did. Just accept what we say. I accept your reasons for preferring the 718. Months of this thread and you just can't accept that some people prefer something different. You don't get it and never well.

It’s amazing what you think I don’t get.

I’m posting for almost the same reason you are. You’ve found a little niche of people who want to revere the old car on a thread about the new car.

I want to post because I disagree with you all.

[HighwayStar]

BE57JAM said:

HighwayStar said:

BE57JAM said:

Honeywell said:

I keep looking at this manual 718:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...


A manual five year old 2.7 981 is about £26k. No warranty, 50,000 miles and big bills looming. I keep thinking a £13k stretch seems like a logical thing to do as I can borrow money for 2% to make the stretch,

What would you do?

You already know you want the new and improved car. Unfortunately you’re not going to get permission for that from these guys.

If you’ve got to live with the car daily and you don’t want the interior to feel dated get the 718.

If you like the idea of standing still till you hit 4K revs go for the 981.

Also apparently having to really work the car is a good thing and characterful with this crowed but loads of accessible grunt and everyday usability equals soulless. You can judge for yourself if that makes sense to you.

He'll make up his own mind... like you did and we did. Just accept what we say. I accept your reasons for preferring the 718. Months of this thread and you just can't accept that some people prefer something different. You don't get it and never well.

It’s amazing what you think I don’t get.

I’m posting for almost the same reason you are. You’ve found a little niche of people who want to revere the old car on a thread about the new car.

I want to post because I disagree with you all.

Nah... it's a thread about the F4... you made it about the whole car..... Try to stay on point 'pal'

[BE57JAM]

HighwayStar said:

Nah... it's a thread about the F4... you made it about the whole car..... Try to stay on point 'pal'

It’s a thread about people whinging about the F4. What were you saying about staying on point?

[HighwayStar]

BE57JAM said:

HighwayStar said:

Nah... it's a thread about the F4... you made it about the whole car..... Try to stay on point 'pal'

It’s a thread about people whinging about the F4. What were you saying about staying on point?

Exactly... you drag the tech into it, the numbers. Something no one is making a big issue about. And of course dinosaurs and living in denial, trying to convince us we’re wrong. Obviously you know best for us Jam. Jam for Prime Minister

[Pinball]

DJMC said:

I have this as a courtesy car today...



They were taking the plastic film off it as I was about to drive off. 25 miles on the clock. Base 718.

Noise (or lack of it?) apart, there are two failings which I'll report back on in more detail when I've driven it some more. Only 75 miles so far.

It's to do with the suspension and pedals position.

Oh... and the lack of a top coat over the primer!

I like that colour on my cayman, just doesn’t work on a boxster for me.

[dreamcar]

Pinball said:

DJMC said:

I have this as a courtesy car today...



They were taking the plastic film off it as I was about to drive off. 25 miles on the clock. Base 718.

Noise (or lack of it?) apart, there are two failings which I'll report back on in more detail when I've driven it some more. Only 75 miles so far.

It's to do with the suspension and pedals position.

Oh... and the lack of a top coat over the primer!

I like that colour on my cayman, just doesn’t work on a boxster for me.

There’s a 911/2 Carrera not far from where I live in this colour, (graphite blue) the more I see it the more I like it.

[Honeywell]

I do have two small children so a 911 might be useful. It would be a third car. Thing is I wanted a convertible - are 911 convertibles still naff?

Oh and does anyone have experience with that dealer?

Thsnks.

[Fizzbomb]

My 718 Boxster S has messed me up so badly that I have fallen ill with owning it, want my 981 back.

[MrVert]

Honeywell said:

I do have two small children so a 911 might be useful. It would be a third car. Thing is I wanted a convertible - are 911 convertibles still naff?

Oh and does anyone have experience with that dealer?

Thsnks.

Not personally, but there was a thread a couple of weeks ago on here and most comments were good.

[bcr5784]

Honeywell said:

I do have two small children so a 911 might be useful. It would be a third car. Thing is I wanted a convertible - are 911 convertibles still naff?



Thsnks.

I had a 991.2 cab for the day and it certainly didn't feel anything like as rigid as a Boxster. I would have used the word naff....

[Cheshirecat65]

Twinfan said:

Agreed. I don't like the new style air vents either.

+2. Change for changes sake. And putting SC clock in middle of dash top creates horrid reflections in this nice weather.

Glad to also see others found the brakes wanting too, as I did.

PS: It's got a very hot hatch engine in it. Not a proper petrolhead sportscar engine.

[hixster]

Fizzbomb said:

My 718 Boxster S has messed me up so badly that I have fallen ill with owning it, want my 981 back.

What happened ?

[DJMC]

DJMC said:

I have this as a courtesy car today...



They were taking the plastic film off it as I was about to drive off. 25 miles on the clock. Base 718.

Noise (or lack of it?) apart, there are two failings which I'll report back on in more detail when I've driven it some more. Only 75 miles so far.

It's to do with the suspension and pedals position.

Oh... and the lack of a top coat over the primer!

OK, so what did I notice?

Well, to know this is a 718 failing you'd perhaps have to have driven a 981 with PASM, or even a standard 981. It's the "bobbly" ride thing you get with S-Line Audis, which I hate. Driving off through Leicester I immediately noticed how the standard suspension of the 718 was crashy, more so that I recall in the 981's I test drove with standard suspension and which I decided I could live with.
Worse still, on the motorway the car constantly jiggled up and down so my head was nodding all the time. Try a small head nod over and over again around 4 times a second and you have it. This ONE thing would STOP me buying a 781 with standard suspension.
I recall having a loan SQ5 a while ago which exhibited the same tendency to "bobble" around. Horrible thing.

Now, I also had the advantage of driving a 718S with PASM for CAR magazine a year ago. The car came with a Porsche factory technician from Germany. After test driving it I commented that PASM felt a little more harsh than in my 981 with PASM. He agreed, saying the 718 suspension is firmer than the 981 in both standard and PASM versions. I didn't realise this firming up of the standard 718 would make it completely unbearable. Of course, some of you will have had Audis with S-Line suspension and grown used to it, but getting back into my 981 after collecting it and driving exactly the same route home the difference was remarkable. The PASM 981 glides around through town and my head no longer nods on the motorway. Those considering a 718 should be wary of this and try the PASM version to get at least tolerable suspension.

The pedals? A few times when braking I depressed the accelerator. Why? I've no idea, but something's changed. My son sat in the 718 and said "are the pedals offset" as his first comment. I can't see any difference but I'm guessing something has changed?

What else... Oh, the sound? Didn't really notice it. A background hum, a vacuum cleaner type sound when I put my foot down a few times. Just like driving a family saloon or our BMW X1 diesel really. Nothing remarkable, unless you love a sporty sound and notice its absence?

What I did remember from my TTS days was the turbo issues. Off the gas trickling into a roundabout I accelerated mildly and there was a full 1/2 second of... nothing? Another time, and this is typical turbo, I set off from a standstill quickly, the engine caught up so I backed my foot off but then the turbo kept accelerating, telling me "hang on mate, you had your foot down a second ago and I haven't quite finished with that instruction!" Only a split second thing, but it was this lack of connection between foot and motion which made me ditch the TTS. I just feel this slight lack of total control unnerving.

Brakes were rather lacking, but I put this down to bedding in on a brand new car.

Speed-wise there's no doubt it's faster than the base 981, but as with the 981S I looked at to buy I found my self struggling to hold the car back and keep within the speed limits whilst trying to extract some excitement from it. Lack of cruise in the loan car was a major contributor to this of course. The base 981 has a lot of mechanical and exhaust noise at more legal speeds.

Oh... and I've noticed some comments here about the 718's nice "smaller" steering wheel? It isn't. It's exactly the same size as in the 981...





Overall? Still nothing to like about the 718 for me.

Edited by DJMC on Saturday 5th May 11:54

[Pinball]

dreamcar said:

There’s a 911/2 Carrera not far from where I live in this colour, (graphite blue) the more I see it the more I like it.

The colour took me a while to warm up to. I wasn’t keen on it all when they released the first press pictures with of the graphite cayman with the sport-tex interior. I was originally going to get agate grey, but I’m very pleased I went with the former option. Everyone who sees it really likes it.

[Pinball]

DJMC said:

OK, so what did I notice?

Well, to know this is a 718 failing you'd perhaps have to have driven a 981 with PASM, or even a standard 981. It's the "bobbly" ride thing you get with S-Line Audis, which I hate. Driving off through Leicester I immediately noticed how the standard suspension of the 718 was crashy, more so that I recall in the 981's I test drove with standard suspension and which I decided I could live with.
Worse still, on the motorway the car constantly jiggled up and down so my head was nodding all the time. Try a small head nod over and over again around 4 times a second and you have it. This ONE thing would STOP me buying a 781 with standard suspension.
I recall having a loan SQ5 a while ago which exhibited the same tendency to "bobble" around. Horrible thing.

Now, I also had the advantage of driving a 718S with PASM for CAR magazine a year ago. The car came with a Porsche factory technician from Germany. After test driving it I commented that PASM felt a little more harsh than in my 981 with PASM. He agreed, saying the 718 suspension is firmer than the 981 in both standard and PASM versions. I didn't realise this firming up of the standard 718 would make it completely unbearable. Of course, some of you will have had Audis with S-Line suspension and grown used to it, but getting back into my 981 after collecting it and driving exactly the same route home the difference was remarkable. The PASM 981 glides around through town and my head no longer nods on the motorway. Those considering a 718 should be wary of this and try the PASM version to get at least tolerable suspension.

The pedals? A few times when braking I depressed the accelerator. Why? I've no idea, but something's changed. My son sat in the 718 and said "are the pedals offset" as his first comment. I can't see any difference but I'm guessing something has changed?

What else... Oh, the sound? Didn't really notice it. A background hum, a vacuum cleaner type sound when I put my foot down a few times. Just like driving a family saloon or our BMW X1 diesel really. Nothing remarkable, unless you love a sporty sound and notice its absence?

What I did remember from my TTS days was the turbo issues. Off the gas trickling into a roundabout I accelerated mildly and there was a full 1/2 second of... nothing? Another time, and this is typical turbo, I set off from a standstill quickly, the engine caught up so I backed my foot off but then the turbo kept accelerating, telling me "hang on mate, you had your foot down a second ago and I haven't quite finished with that instruction!" Only a split second thing, but it was this lack of connection between foot and motion which made me ditch the TTS. I just feel this slight lack of total control unnerving.

Speed-wise there's no doubt it's faster than the base 981, but as with the 981S I looked at to buy I found my self struggling to hold the car back and keep within the speed limits whilst trying to extract some excitement from it. Lack of cruise in the loan car was a major contributor to this of course. The base 981 has a lot of mechanical and exhaust noise at more legal speeds.

Oh... and I've noticed some comments here about the 718's nice "smaller" steering wheel? It isn't. It's exactly the same size as in the 981...





Overall? Still nothing to like about the 718 for me.

That’s the standard wheel. The GT steering wheel is the smaller one. Optional on that car, standard on the GTS.

Regarding ride quality, the 718 has some GT4 suspension bits in it. So maybe that makes it a bit stiffer. I don’t personally have an issue with ride quality with or without PASM.

[DJMC]

Pinball said:

That’s the standard wheel. The GT steering wheel is the smaller one. Optional on that car, standard on the GTS.

Regarding ride quality, the 718 has some GT4 suspension bits in it. So maybe that makes it a bit stiffer. I don’t personally have an issue with ride quality with or without PASM.

You're right! The GT wheel is a whole 10mm smaller!...




Depends what you're after ride-wise. Mine's a daily driver so I like a little comfort. If you were buying one as a track car or to race around the roads at weekends maybe, but the standard suspension gave me a pain in the neck after 100 miles of crashing and nodding!

I put this well above the noise issue as this loan car's major failing. The noise isn't going to hurt you (without PSE).

[Pinball]

The GT wheel does feel a lot smaller than the size difference suggests if you get your hands on one. Downside for me was that if feels a bit too spindly. The inner spokes are the same on both wheels, but the diameter of the outer grip is smaller. I wasn’t keen on the aesthetics of the GT wheel either.

[dreamcar]

Both the 718’s i’ve tried (718S Boxster & Cayman) had PASM and 20” wheels and to be honest didn’t notice the ride to be any firmer than our 981 BGTS.
Interesting you too noticed the turbo lag and over-run, for me especially noticeable after the razor sharp response of our n/a car. However good a turbo engine might be lag is an inescapable fact to a greater or lesser extent and cannot be denied that it does not exist.