718 Sound and Constant Whinging !
Discussion
DJMC said:
My 981 has F6 and V8...
That looks bleedin' fantastic! Top pic! OT I know but can I ask what colour that is please and whether those are Zunsport grills? If so, were they straightforward to fit?I've just picked up a low mileage, manual 981 CS in basalt black with some really nice options and am absolutely loving it although I'm gonna have my work cut out keeping it as clean and shiny as yours! (Do have a Raceglaze water filter to help me with that though)
Edited by JustCallMeMac on Thursday 5th July 08:15
Edited by JustCallMeMac on Thursday 5th July 08:16
Si-3PO said:
It’s just ducting directing the sound into the cabin though no?
Yes, no electronic trickery as with the 718...
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JustCallMeMac said:
That looks bleedin' fantastic! Top pic! OT I know but can I ask what colour that is please and whether those are Zunsport grills? If so, were they straightforward to fit?
I've just picked up a low mileage, manual 981 CS in basalt black with some really nice options and am absolutely loving it although I'm gonna have my work cut out keeping it as clean and shiny as yours! (Do have a Raceglaze water filter to help me with that though)
It's Rhodium Silver.I've just picked up a low mileage, manual 981 CS in basalt black with some really nice options and am absolutely loving it although I'm gonna have my work cut out keeping it as clean and shiny as yours! (Do have a Raceglaze water filter to help me with that though)
Grilles are Zunsport all round...
I took it to Zunsport just for the rears, but when they offered to trial fit the fronts the sight of my poor stone damaged rads when at eye level meant I had to have them too! Free fitting for the whole set.
Schmed said:
Ha ha, then it’s not real sound, I’ll stick to my 2.7 thanks!
I strongly advise an upgrade from what is a great sports car (the base 2.7) to one of the best sports cars Porsche has ever made (981 GTS).Grab one whilst ye may, and don't worry about putting mileage on it, it's a keeper not an "investment". Cars are for driving; investments are what the stock market is for.
James McScotty said:
I strongly advise an upgrade from what is a great sports car (the base 2.7) to one of the best sports cars Porsche has ever made (981 GTS).
Grab one whilst ye may, and don't worry about putting mileage on it, it's a keeper not an "investment". Cars are for driving; investments are what the stock market is for.
I disagree. S & GTS drivers are losing out on being able to make the engine work and listen to more of the soundtrack at higher revs and legal speeds. Grab one whilst ye may, and don't worry about putting mileage on it, it's a keeper not an "investment". Cars are for driving; investments are what the stock market is for.
When looking for a Cayman I drove base and S but found the latter uninspiring due to its placid capability for licence losing speeds.
The 2.7 is the sweeter engine to my mind but, as with 981 vs. 718, it's down to individual choice. As a daily driver, 12k miles a year, I wouldn't pay double for the GTS when mine has the more useable fun factor. Fun isn't speed, it's sensation.
DJMC said:
I disagree. S & GTS drivers are losing out on being able to make the engine work and listen to more of the soundtrack at higher revs and legal speeds.
When looking for a Cayman I drove base and S but found the latter uninspiring due to its placid capability for licence losing speeds.
The 2.7 is the sweeter engine to my mind but, as with 981 vs. 718, it's down to individual choice. As a daily driver, 12k miles a year, I wouldn't pay double for the GTS when mine has the more useable fun factor. Fun isn't speed, it's sensation.
Well, then it's horses for courses, I guess. I ran the base 2.7 manual for two years before swapping to the 3.4 GTS, also manual. I vastly prefer the GTS, just everything the car does is utterly sublime. It's about as fast as you could ever need on the road, and the extra power means you can explore the chassis' capabilities much more fully. Oh, and the noise! Glorious, just fantastic. I love it but I didn't really ever fall love with the 2.7.When looking for a Cayman I drove base and S but found the latter uninspiring due to its placid capability for licence losing speeds.
The 2.7 is the sweeter engine to my mind but, as with 981 vs. 718, it's down to individual choice. As a daily driver, 12k miles a year, I wouldn't pay double for the GTS when mine has the more useable fun factor. Fun isn't speed, it's sensation.
DJMC said:
I disagree. S & GTS drivers are losing out on being able to make the engine work and listen to more of the soundtrack at higher revs and legal speeds. .
Can you provide the gear ratios and/or in maximum in gear speeds for both 981 modes - a PDK 2.7 (base) and a PDK 3.4 (S or GTS) showing the difference?DJMC said:
James McScotty said:
I strongly advise an upgrade from what is a great sports car (the base 2.7) to one of the best sports cars Porsche has ever made (981 GTS).
Grab one whilst ye may, and don't worry about putting mileage on it, it's a keeper not an "investment". Cars are for driving; investments are what the stock market is for.
I disagree. S & GTS drivers are losing out on being able to make the engine work and listen to more of the soundtrack at higher revs and legal speeds. Grab one whilst ye may, and don't worry about putting mileage on it, it's a keeper not an "investment". Cars are for driving; investments are what the stock market is for.
When looking for a Cayman I drove base and S but found the latter uninspiring due to its placid capability for licence losing speeds.
The 2.7 is the sweeter engine to my mind but, as with 981 vs. 718, it's down to individual choice. As a daily driver, 12k miles a year, I wouldn't pay double for the GTS when mine has the more useable fun factor. Fun isn't speed, it's sensation.
To imply that a GTS is “too much” car for the road is wrong IMHO. The reason I love the 981 GTS compared to say my 488 was that it was much more fun to drive on English roads with just the right amount of useable power and handling but the icing on the cake, the thing that gels it all together and makes it such a superb drivers package is the sound that it makes over any other 981. It’s that glue that is missing from the 718, combined with the turbo power delivery the sensation is just not as intoxicating.
To summarise the 981 GTS has just about as much driving sensation on UK roads than any other car I have ever driven. The unbelievable thing is its in a package which costs less than £70k when I’m comparing it to cars costing 3 times that price let alone a 718.
TB303 said:
DJMC said:
I disagree. S & GTS drivers are losing out on being able to make the engine work and listen to more of the soundtrack at higher revs and legal speeds. .
Can you provide the gear ratios and/or in maximum in gear speeds for both 981 modes - a PDK 2.7 (base) and a PDK 3.4 (S or GTS) showing the difference?
jonttt said:
You don;t need all those facts and figures, just get out there and drive some, I guarantee once you drive a 981 in GTS form whether manual or PDK in manual flappy paddle mode you will not care for any figures written on a piece of paper. Good Porsche’s road cars are built for speed and every day use ability of that speed, great porches are built for emotion which is the sum of many different factors. Emotion cannot be written or documented, it has to be experienced ;-)
I have a 981 Spyder and very much enjoy it after 10,000 miles including euro tours.Great that you enjoy the 981GTS in the company of a 488 - that’s quite an endorsement. I’ve always wanted to add a 458 spider.
I’m just trying to ascertain how DJMC has decided that a 2.7 with seemingly the same gearing (according to the table posted above) as a 3.4 is more fun at road legal speeds? I can’t find many reasons why?
Yes it may be “enough” for uk roads, but why more fun if the engine is at the same RPM per MPH?
Specifically How does one get to hear a 2.7 at high RPMs more than a 3.4 if the gearing is exactly the same?
Strikes me as post purchase rationalisation/justification, assuming the ratios are indeed as in the table above?
The GTS is the king of the range along with the Spyder and I can’t imagine many would argue the 2.7 is somehow better, though I’m all for the idea of lower powered cars with short gearing e.g. many MX5 generations are a lot of fun.
Twinfan said:
According to the parts list, the 2.7 has a different manual and PDK gearbox compared to the S/GTS/Spyder/GT4 so I think the table is possibly wrong.
Quite how much different, and I suspect shorter, the base model gearing is I don't know.
It looks like the manual ratios are different (and he had a PDK! And don’t we always hear about it! Lol), but not the PDK.Quite how much different, and I suspect shorter, the base model gearing is I don't know.
Hopefully the table is wrong as you say.
DJMC said:
Si-3PO said:
It’s just ducting directing the sound into the cabin though no?
Yes, no electronic trickery as with the 718...From: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Remember?
TB303 said:
Can you provide the gear ratios and/or in maximum in gear speeds for both 981 modes - a PDK 2.7 (base) and a PDK 3.4 (S or GTS) showing the difference?
One or both gearboxes must be different as the weight difference between manual & PDK is 30kg in the 2.7 base 981 vs 35kg in the 3.4S 981*- source - Porsche Cayman handbook.
TB303 said:
jonttt said:
You don;t need all those facts and figures, just get out there and drive some, I guarantee once you drive a 981 in GTS form whether manual or PDK in manual flappy paddle mode you will not care for any figures written on a piece of paper. Good Porsche’s road cars are built for speed and every day use ability of that speed, great porches are built for emotion which is the sum of many different factors. Emotion cannot be written or documented, it has to be experienced ;-)
I have a 981 Spyder and very much enjoy it after 10,000 miles including euro tours.Great that you enjoy the 981GTS in the company of a 488 - that’s quite an endorsement. I’ve always wanted to add a 458 spider.
I’m just trying to ascertain how DJMC has decided that a 2.7 with seemingly the same gearing (according to the table posted above) as a 3.4 is more fun at road legal speeds? I can’t find many reasons why?
Yes it may be “enough” for uk roads, but why more fun if the engine is at the same RPM per MPH?
Specifically How does one get to hear a 2.7 at high RPMs more than a 3.4 if the gearing is exactly the same?
Strikes me as post purchase rationalisation/justification, assuming the ratios are indeed as in the table above?
The GTS is the king of the range along with the Spyder and I can’t imagine many would argue the 2.7 is somehow better, though I’m all for the idea of lower powered cars with short gearing e.g. many MX5 generations are a lot of fun.
Nb I preferred my 430 to the 488, I did 30k miles in one as a daily 10 years ago. I skipped the 458 but I’m led to believe its a better car than the 488, how ironic is that to this thread lol
Ps I’d be in a spyder if they sorted the roof out, great cars. However the roof is only slightly easier than the murcielago which was a nightmare and I swore I would never get another roof that required you to get out of the car again.
k my 981 up the pipes.TB303 said:
Can you provide the gear ratios and/or in maximum in gear speeds for both 981 modes - a PDK 2.7 (base) and a PDK 3.4 (S or GTS) showing the difference?
All PDK 981s have the same ratios which give about 40 in 1st , 70 in second and 100 in third. Arguably they could be lower with advantage - but manual cars have higher ratios and are widely criticised for them. 7th is very long - about 3k rpm at 100mph and the 2.7 in particular struggles to pull it - its a cruising ratio in the 3.4 too and you really need to change down to overtake decisivley at motorway speeds even with the bigger engine,Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff