718 Sound and Constant Whinging !
Discussion
Bob-2146 said:
Back to the bashing. It’s not like we’ve hard it all before. For 90 pages.
The utter BS written about the sound just keeps on giving !
Well it’s basically impossible to argue that a 718 sounds anywhere near as good as a 981 so it’s not BS is it? The utter BS written about the sound just keeps on giving !
I respect somebody preferring the turbo, handling, brakes, looks, tech etc of the 718 and if those are what are most important the 718 is definitely the right car for them.
James McScotty said:
I don't think that's "truth", there may be a tiny on-paper advantage, but out on the road it will be negligible. And the 981 sounds so glorious that you actively want to rev it out, unlike the unholy din made by the ill-advised four cylinder 718.
Have you driven them back to back - I have? I am no great fan of the (base) 718 - but there is no doubt that it is fast. According to the power curves more powerful than a 981S below 5500 revs - and very significantly so below 4500, and it certainly feels it. bcr5784 said:
James McScotty said:
I don't think that's "truth", there may be a tiny on-paper advantage, but out on the road it will be negligible. And the 981 sounds so glorious that you actively want to rev it out, unlike the unholy din made by the ill-advised four cylinder 718.
Have you driven them back to back - I have? I am no great fan of the (base) 718 - but there is no doubt that it is fast. According to the power curves more powerful than a 981S below 5500 revs - and very significantly so below 4500, and it certainly feels it. 981 = more than the sum of its parts
718 = less than the sum of its parts
Says it all really, its all about the emotion with a sports car which is subjected ie what makes it special to you but the problem for 718 owners is accepting that for the majority the 981 has it over the 718. I accept that its hard to see that either way when you have “skin in the game” but the press don’t and they know. As word spreads via the press and threads like this on enthusiast forums people can make their own minds up which they prefer and ultimately the market will reflect that. Porsche are very very good at controlling their market but have made mistakes in the past, will be interesting to see what the market makes of the 718 as it matures.
It was interesting talking to other Porsche enthusiasts at a meet yesterday which was mainly 911 owners but some of whom had owned 718’s (for short periods of time) and some of whom where seriously tempted by boxster ownership and the overwhelming (in fact 100%) discussion was that a 718 was not an option for them ie it was 981 they where looking at. That is what Porsche have lost with the 718 ie the dedicated Porsche fans. That’s not speculative, that’s not subjuctive, its fact based on many discussions I’ve had with Porsche fans over the past 2 years.
Porsche must now it, do they care, I have to believe they do but as has been covered on here already they have a bigger corporate picture to paint and emissions is a massive issue for the whole VAG group. It will be really interesting to see what they do with the next GT4 (I wont call it a 718 as I don’t believe it will have a 4 pot engine which is what 718 stands for) and what direction they take the 718 after any mild facelift it has. No doubt that will remain 4 pot but surely they have to be able to sort out the noise, there is so much room for improvement even from a FI engine.
Edited by jonttt on Sunday 8th July 09:43
Si-3PO said:
Subjective to a point Tim, I still haven’t seen a 718 owner type they prefer the sound over a 981.
I suppose you’re missing the sound of your F4 now you’ve got a V8?
Yes indeed I miss it.I suppose you’re missing the sound of your F4 now you’ve got a V8?
Sound is very different. There's none of the crackle of the F4T in the bassy V8.
Very different sounds, and I like them both.
a humorous guide to the last 10 pages:
My car is better than yours.
Your reasons for thinking the opposite is wrong.
The only reasons that matter are the ones I say matter.
My opinion isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact.
Here’s an example of a time I spoke to another person about this, somewhere, and they agreed with me so you should also agree with me.
People monaning about people moaning. Then people moaning about that.
Someone saying something knobish then following it with a wink.
Jonttt. Lots and lots of Jonttt.
For some balance; I still prefer the look of the 718 and prefer the interior. I love the beefy low rev rumble it makes when you flick it into sport mode, particularly as you inch along in traffic or through a car park. Handling is sublime and the speed of my GTS is blistering.
I find the car really hard to fault. Viva la 718.
My car is better than yours.
Your reasons for thinking the opposite is wrong.
The only reasons that matter are the ones I say matter.
My opinion isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact.
Here’s an example of a time I spoke to another person about this, somewhere, and they agreed with me so you should also agree with me.
People monaning about people moaning. Then people moaning about that.
Someone saying something knobish then following it with a wink.
Jonttt. Lots and lots of Jonttt.
For some balance; I still prefer the look of the 718 and prefer the interior. I love the beefy low rev rumble it makes when you flick it into sport mode, particularly as you inch along in traffic or through a car park. Handling is sublime and the speed of my GTS is blistering.
I find the car really hard to fault. Viva la 718.
bcr5784 said:
Have you driven them back to back - I have? I am no great fan of the (base) 718 - but there is no doubt that it is fast. According to the power curves more powerful than a 981S below 5500 revs - and very significantly so below 4500, and it certainly feels it.
The thread's about engine sound. But yes I've driven them all.James McScotty said:
You may find it difficult, but most people don't as the fault is so obvious.
NoiseLag when pulling off from roundabouts/junctions
Lack of pops and bangs in Sport Plus
Smaller paddles with less throw
... those are the only things I could fault about my 718, and tbf if it wasn’t for the noise I’d still have it as couldve lived with everything else.
James McScotty said:
BE57JAM said:
I find the car really hard to fault. Viva la 718.
You may find it difficult, but most people don't as the fault is so obvious.My guess its less than 100? mainly people who own porsches and a few jounalists
Dont forget the original porsche protagonists didnt want the boxster built ..devalues the brand . Some dont like change its as simple as that
tedblog said:
Most people ? what 10 ,20 hundreds or thousands?
My guess its less than 100? mainly people who own porsches and a few jounalists
Dont forget the original porsche protagonists didnt want the boxster built ..devalues the brand . Some dont like change its as simple as that
+1My guess its less than 100? mainly people who own porsches and a few jounalists
Dont forget the original porsche protagonists didnt want the boxster built ..devalues the brand . Some dont like change its as simple as that
jonttt said:
The market will dictate that for sure.
I’m pretty confident that the 981 values will hold well / better than 718 values and there can be only reason for that which is demand not being influenced by the “new car” factor.
A low mileage well specced car will always hold its valueI’m pretty confident that the 981 values will hold well / better than 718 values and there can be only reason for that which is demand not being influenced by the “new car” factor.
Surely a used value only comes into effect when you want to sell? And as you guys never want to get rid on your na f6 its pretty irrelevant?
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