718 Sound and Constant Whinging !
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tedblog said:
Most people ? what 10 ,20 hundreds or thousands?
My guess its less than 100? mainly people who own porsches and a few jounalists
Dont forget the original porsche protagonists didnt want the boxster built ..devalues the brand . Some dont like change its as simple as that
Most commentators have actively highlighted the appalling 718 engine noise. Is that better?My guess its less than 100? mainly people who own porsches and a few jounalists
Dont forget the original porsche protagonists didnt want the boxster built ..devalues the brand . Some dont like change its as simple as that
I'd be very surprised if I'm the only person to have been put off buying one because of the engine noise. I'm guessing this must be why 981 prices are holding up.
I'm all for change if it's an improvement.
James McScotty said:
Most commentators have actively highlighted the appalling 718 engine noise. Is that better?
.
Which is merely your opinion, many others would appear to differ. Apart from the few die hard trolls on here, that this has had absolutely no impact on the sales figures can only mean one thing, the sound argument is over cooked, exaggerated b.
ks*, like so many of your posts James.- only my opinion, of course.
Bob-2146 said:
Which is merely your opinion, many others would appear to differ. Apart from the few die hard trolls on here, that this has had absolutely no impact on the sales figures can only mean one thing, the sound argument is over cooked, exaggerated bks*, like so many of your posts James.
Find me a single online 718 review which doesn't highlight or mention the engine sound in a negative way.ks*, like so many of your posts James.- only my opinion, of course.
James McScotty said:
Bob-2146 said:
Which is merely your opinion, many others would appear to differ. Apart from the few die hard trolls on here, that this has had absolutely no impact on the sales figures can only mean one thing, the sound argument is over cooked, exaggerated bks*, like so many of your posts James.
Find me a single online 718 review which doesn't highlight or mention the engine sound in a negative way.ks*, like so many of your posts James.- only my opinion, of course.
Car Magazine:
“That engine note, though…
Yes… yes… ‘it’s not a flat-six wail’… blah blah. The cruellest among you will say it sounds like a sickly Beetle, but you have to remember that plenty of classic Porsches (914, anyone?) have been powered by flat-fours.
Plus, we quite like the noise... it’s still got tonnes of character and, if nothing else, sounds unique in the sports car class.”
Car and Driver:
“But speaking of sounds, oh, the Porsche’s. Rest in peace, flat-six, and long live the turbo four! The more time we spend with 718s—and the further into memory that six’s wail fades—the more we like the four. This thing sounds like a goblin, all mechanical grumble and spitting overrun. ”
And so on etc. No doubt we can all find reviews to support any side of the argument.
Bob-2146 said:
Haven’t we already done this already? Like a million times. For the record
Car Magazine:
“That engine note, though…
Yes… yes… ‘it’s not a flat-six wail’… blah blah. The cruellest among you will say it sounds like a sickly Beetle, but you have to remember that plenty of classic Porsches (914, anyone?) have been powered by flat-fours.
Plus, we quite like the noise... it’s still got tonnes of character and, if nothing else, sounds unique in the sports car class.”
Car and Driver:
“But speaking of sounds, oh, the Porsche’s. Rest in peace, flat-six, and long live the turbo four! The more time we spend with 718s—and the further into memory that six’s wail fades—the more we like the four. This thing sounds like a goblin, all mechanical grumble and spitting overrun. ”
And so on etc. No doubt we can all find reviews to support any side of the argument.
Neither of those is complimentary, can't you understand? "like a sickly beetle" is spot-on; and the guy in the second is one is trying his best to forget "the six's wail".Car Magazine:
“That engine note, though…
Yes… yes… ‘it’s not a flat-six wail’… blah blah. The cruellest among you will say it sounds like a sickly Beetle, but you have to remember that plenty of classic Porsches (914, anyone?) have been powered by flat-fours.
Plus, we quite like the noise... it’s still got tonnes of character and, if nothing else, sounds unique in the sports car class.”
Car and Driver:
“But speaking of sounds, oh, the Porsche’s. Rest in peace, flat-six, and long live the turbo four! The more time we spend with 718s—and the further into memory that six’s wail fades—the more we like the four. This thing sounds like a goblin, all mechanical grumble and spitting overrun. ”
And so on etc. No doubt we can all find reviews to support any side of the argument.
jonttt said:
Yep just like a BMW diesel feels faster, that does not make it a better car lol
981 = more than the sum of its parts
718 = less than the sum of its parts
I didn't suggest it was better if you read my post - but it is undeniable that the base 718 is vastly quicker than the 981 2.7 and much of the time the 981S as well. In effect a base 718 is £8k cheaper than the 981 S whose pace it (at least) matches. Is a 981S worth 8K more than a base 718 - IMO yes - but I can see others taking a different view.981 = more than the sum of its parts
718 = less than the sum of its parts
Edited by jonttt on Sunday 8th July 09:43
(Not all 981 owners see things in black and white...)
Si-3PO said:
Both reviews alluding to it not sounding as good as a Flat 6 ... that’s what we’re saying here isn’t it?
Running my 718 alongside my daily Works 210 Mini was a bad move, a £24k car with a better engine note, that just shouldn’t be possible.
Yep. I much prefer the sound of Mrs Twinfan's Focus RS mk3 to the 718 models I've driven. Her GT86 also sounded better, and that was a flat four too. In my opinion, if the 718 sounded more like an Impreza it would be a massive improvement.Running my 718 alongside my daily Works 210 Mini was a bad move, a £24k car with a better engine note, that just shouldn’t be possible.
Bob-2146 said:
James McScotty said:
Most commentators have actively highlighted the appalling 718 engine noise. Is that better?
.
Which is merely your opinion, many others would appear to differ. Apart from the few die hard trolls on here, that this has had absolutely no impact on the sales figures can only mean one thing, the sound argument is over cooked, exaggerated b.
ks*, like so many of your posts James.- only my opinion, of course.
I agree totally that a lot of 981 owners are holding onto them when they would normally be in 718’s by now (including me) ..... again that will have an effect on the resale market.
The 718 has lived off new car finance as is the norm nowadays but the second hand market is different with desirability, supply and demand being a much bigger factor than new car finance which is biased to never actually owning the car ie just paying off the interest and not the capital.
I’m pretty confident that the 981’s reputation as a greater driving experience will only grow and grow and be reflected by the market in terms of desirability but time will tell and we can all look back with fondness at this thread lol
Ps for what its worth and I appreciate its only a very small sample but I have now had a number of new 981 owners who have either publicly on forums or privately told me that they have bought 981’s rather than 718’s because of my comments and threads on the subject. That’s quite a responsibility to me and has made me question why I am so passionate about the subject but the bottom line is I genuinely believe the 718 is not as fun a car to drive and ultimately I’m happy to be passionate about the subject and stand by my comments / recommendation that I know at least some people have used to some extend or another to make their own decisions. The fact that I have had only very positive feedback and thanks from them is great to hear. Nb that includes a number of people coming out of 911’s to caysters as more and more people are cottoning onto the fact that as an overall drivers package if you don’t need 4 seats (which are pretty useless anyway) the caysters offer more for less ;-)
Edited by jonttt on Sunday 8th July 18:25
James McScotty said:
tedblog said:
Most people ? what 10 ,20 hundreds or thousands?
My guess its less than 100? mainly people who own porsches and a few jounalists
Dont forget the original porsche protagonists didnt want the boxster built ..devalues the brand . Some dont like change its as simple as that
Most commentators have actively highlighted the appalling 718 engine noise. Is that better?My guess its less than 100? mainly people who own porsches and a few jounalists
Dont forget the original porsche protagonists didnt want the boxster built ..devalues the brand . Some dont like change its as simple as that
I'd be very surprised if I'm the only person to have been put off buying one because of the engine noise. I'm guessing this must be why 981 prices are holding up.
I'm all for change if it's an improvement.
jonttt said:
.....and what direction they take the 718 after any mild facelift it has. No doubt that will remain 4 pot but surely they have to be able to sort out the noise, there is so much room for improvement even from a FI engine.
There won’t be a mild facelift of the 718 - the 718 IS the model’s mid life refresh, being merely a revised 981 with new engines. Porsche did the same with 987, introducing all new (DFI) engines halfway through that car’s life - but didn’t confuse the issue by renaming it.Edited by jonttt on Sunday 8th July 09:43
The next Porsche Cayster replacement due in a couple of years will be a completely new car with Porsche 992 based technology.
Edited by dreamcar on Sunday 8th July 20:08
James McScotty said:
Bob-2146 said:
Haven’t we already done this already? Like a million times. For the record
Car Magazine:
“That engine note, though…
Yes… yes… ‘it’s not a flat-six wail’… blah blah. The cruellest among you will say it sounds like a sickly Beetle, but you have to remember that plenty of classic Porsches (914, anyone?) have been powered by flat-fours.
Plus, we quite like the noise... it’s still got tonnes of character and, if nothing else, sounds unique in the sports car class.”
Car and Driver:
“But speaking of sounds, oh, the Porsche’s. Rest in peace, flat-six, and long live the turbo four! The more time we spend with 718s—and the further into memory that six’s wail fades—the more we like the four. This thing sounds like a goblin, all mechanical grumble and spitting overrun. ”
And so on etc. No doubt we can all find reviews to support any side of the argument.
Neither of those is complimentary, can't you understand? "like a sickly beetle" is spot-on; and the guy in the second is one is trying his best to forget "the six's wail".Car Magazine:
“That engine note, though…
Yes… yes… ‘it’s not a flat-six wail’… blah blah. The cruellest among you will say it sounds like a sickly Beetle, but you have to remember that plenty of classic Porsches (914, anyone?) have been powered by flat-fours.
Plus, we quite like the noise... it’s still got tonnes of character and, if nothing else, sounds unique in the sports car class.”
Car and Driver:
“But speaking of sounds, oh, the Porsche’s. Rest in peace, flat-six, and long live the turbo four! The more time we spend with 718s—and the further into memory that six’s wail fades—the more we like the four. This thing sounds like a goblin, all mechanical grumble and spitting overrun. ”
And so on etc. No doubt we can all find reviews to support any side of the argument.
More joy and have more energy for whinging than happy people have for defending things.
Funny how people could ignore the compliments in those reviews. IMO those reviews are complete compliments but reference the fact they are aware that some people have bemoaned the change. Frustratingly, that awareness is just self affirming fuel for the haters.
BE57JAM said:
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Well said, Sir. As it happens I'm a 981 owner - and I find it utterly pathetic the way some people are constantly moaning and groaning about 718. Mind you, it was exactly the same when 981 was launched. All the luddites and blow-hards posted endlessly that 981 was a dreadful backward step from its predecessor. Yet now 981 is held up as the paragon of excellence.
Buy your cars. Enjoy your cars.
They have lost an epic car. We can’t deny them that. And we acknowledge that. We agree what came before was great. About three years ago. But what came next is better!!
To constantly and stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the numerous improvements, upgrades, advances, and at all costs to never acknowledge the 718 is a better all round car (while keeping their heads thoroughly buried in the sand) just diminishes completely to me, their credibility.
I coined the term dinosaur some time ago now, never have I thought it more apt. That doesn’t apply to all 981 owners of course, just to certain contributors here always living in the past.
To constantly and stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the numerous improvements, upgrades, advances, and at all costs to never acknowledge the 718 is a better all round car (while keeping their heads thoroughly buried in the sand) just diminishes completely to me, their credibility.
I coined the term dinosaur some time ago now, never have I thought it more apt. That doesn’t apply to all 981 owners of course, just to certain contributors here always living in the past.
evojam said:
I think you lot should just enjoy your 981's & 718's while you still can because in the not to distant future you'll have to plug your Porsche in to get anywhere and then you'll have no sound to whinge about at all! and yes I do own a Porsche
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