718 Sound and Constant Whinging !

[DJMC]

Boxster_racer said:

I’ll have an electric cayster all day before getting a lagged 718...

Here's the thread, if anyone missed it:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Boxster_racer]

R4ymb said:

Back on PH after a long time away so trawling through topics.
Having owned a 1999 Boxster years ago, I loved the howl from the 6 above 5000rpm. It was my first proper sports car and made me smile every time I drove it. 2 months ago I decided to test the 718 GTS and fell in love again. So I bought one. The driving dynamics are sublime IMO, and at no time did I think the exhaust note was bad. In fact I loved it! in sport mode or sport+ it crackles and bangs on the overrun and overall makes a distinctively unique entertaining sound. I guess it's going to be like Marmite for most people. I bought it for the driving dynamics, the engineering and the looks -

It’s an awesome car. Here we express opinions, but if you love it is the only thing that counts ! Enjoy and share a pic !

[Boxster_racer]

DJMC said:

Here's the thread, if anyone missed it:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Thanks !

[jonttt]

Schmed said:

“It’s marvellous, last of the naturally aspirated F6s, a definite classic. Value never goes down, only goes up. And let me tell you about the sound! The glorious sound! You dont even scrape the nose in a car park, it’s just the best thing ever, it’ll never, ever depreciate !”

Great quote, thanks for sharing

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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The thought of a Merc saloon as my usual transportation with a sportscar in the garage that never goes out would fill me with absolute horror.

[jimmsy]

Back onto the main topic, I actually had a 718 BS for the long Goodwood weekend.

I'm coming from a 987 CS so used to the 3.4 F6 sound.

I liked the 718 as a whole package. A top level summary would be that compared to the 987 its a sports car at the usable/daily end of the scale, and the 987 is firmly at the fun/weekend end. Build quality, interior (minus the PCM), performance were without fault from my experience. The PCM was quite a way behind the new Panamera system and still miles behind iDrive - there were quite a few usability bits which as a techie bothered me.

Noise wise, at everything below 40% load I liked it. It had character, it sounded interesting, you still get some engine noise coming through to the cabin. Above that though, I was disappointed. I wonder if a PSE or other exhaust would fix it. When I went through tunnels I didn't want to act like a chav (like I usually do with the 987), when pushing I couldn't really hear the engine, I don't know whether it was quiet or it was just in the frequency range of the noise that meant I didn't notice.

I'd say there's still nothing in that sector I'd go for over one, but I would immediately be thinking about doing something exhaust wise to rectify the issue.

If it was my money, I would be going for a 981 GTS.

[Maxym]

The PSE on the 718 is IMO OTT and chavvy. Thus you might like it.

ETA: More seriously, my impressions were much the same as yours.

[Foundthecure]

Maxym said:

The PSE on the 718 is IMO OTT and chavvy. Thus you might like it.

ETA: More seriously, my impressions were much the same as yours.

I have the PSE and don’t find it chavvy. In fact, it compliments my Burberry trench coat no end.

[Boxster_racer]

jimmsy said:

Back onto the main topic, I actually had a 718 BS for the long Goodwood weekend.

I'm coming from a 987 CS so used to the 3.4 F6 sound.

I liked the 718 as a whole package. A top level summary would be that compared to the 987 its a sports car at the usable/daily end of the scale, and the 987 is firmly at the fun/weekend end. Build quality, interior (minus the PCM), performance were without fault from my experience. The PCM was quite a way behind the new Panamera system and still miles behind iDrive - there were quite a few usability bits which as a techie bothered me.

Noise wise, at everything below 40% load I liked it. It had character, it sounded interesting, you still get some engine noise coming through to the cabin. Above that though, I was disappointed. I wonder if a PSE or other exhaust would fix it. When I went through tunnels I didn't want to act like a chav (like I usually do with the 987), when pushing I couldn't really hear the engine, I don't know whether it was quiet or it was just in the frequency range of the noise that meant I didn't notice.

I'd say there's still nothing in that sector I'd go for over one, but I would immediately be thinking about doing something exhaust wise to rectify the issue.

If it was my money, I would be going for a 981 GTS.

My biggest issue (and I know this thread is about sound !) is the turbo ‘effect’ (I think some refer it to lag). When pressing the accelerator you can feel there is a lag until the car responds, which is bothersome, but worst is when you lift the foot from the accelerator and the car takes a while to de-accelerate. Never experienced something like that before, and it feels (surely is not) dangerous.

[diffstar]

Boxster_racer said:

My biggest issue (and I know this thread is about sound !) is the turbo ‘effect’ (I think some refer it to lag). When pressing the accelerator you can feel there is a lag until the car responds, which is bothersome, but worst is when you lift the foot from the accelerator and the car takes a while to de-accelerate. Never experienced something like that before, and it feels (surely is not) dangerous.

Really?? Takes a while to decelerate? dangerous?

I am sorry, but that is simply fake news.

We are not talking about a 1980's style turbo, this is 2018 with Porsche creating the very best turbo tech. We are decades on from those days.

[Si-3PO]

diffstar said:

Really?? Takes a while to decelerate? dangerous?

I am sorry, but that is simply fake news.

We are not talking about a 1980's style turbo, this is 2018 with Porsche creating the very best turbo tech. We are decades on from those days.

He’s talking about the weird “lurching” feel you get off throttle, it is disconcerting for those used to engine braking. It’s certainly not dangerous though as the brake pedal is what’s used for stopping the car

[Boxster_racer]

Si-3PO said:

He’s talking about the weird “lurching” feel you get off throttle, it is disconcerting for those used to engine braking. It’s certainly not dangerous though as the brake pedal is what’s used for stopping the car

Thank you, yes, that is what I mean, thanks for translating !

[jonttt]

Its a by product of newer turbo design to mitigate lag by keeping the turbo spooled up but has that unpleasant effect on the driving feel under braking. It gets worse the harder you drive especially on the twistes to the point where you get the worst of both worlds ie turbo “run on” into a bend and “lag” out of it. Its physics and worse in a small block turbo engine like the 718.

[bcr5784]

jonttt said:

Its a by product of newer turbo design to mitigate lag by keeping the turbo spooled up but has that unpleasant effect on the driving feel under braking. It gets worse the harder you drive especially on the twistes to the point where you get the worst of both worlds ie turbo “run on” into a bend and “lag” out of it. Its physics and worse in a small block turbo engine like the 718.

I think that is incorrect. The Porsche system (in normal - but not sport) keeps the throttle open but shuts off the fuel on the overrun. The effect is that engine braking is reduced on the overrun (because pumping losses are reduced) BUT, because the throttle is open the turbo remains spooled up and so lag is reduced when the throttle is reapplied.

In Sport the anti-lag system is disabled so that the pops and bangs that some like on the overrun are created. The result in this case is that engine braking is NOT reduced but there is more lag when the throttle is re-applied.

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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Passenger seat seems a good starting point, given the lad's a passenger and all that.

As for Boxster/Cayman "as a daily", I suspect that's exactly what most of them get used for.

[HighwayStar]

rockin said:

anonymous said:

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Passenger seat seems a good starting point, given the lad's a passenger and all that.

As for Boxster/Cayman "as a daily", I suspect that's exactly what most of them get used for.

I doubt it when you see the mileage on the majority previously enjoyed ones on sale. My 2013 981 CS is on 63K, 2/3 of that was the previous owner. I've not seen any passed that mileage apart from a few on here who have more miles on a car of similar age.

[anonymous-user]

HighwayStar said:

I doubt it when you see the mileage on the majority previously enjoyed ones on sale. My 2013 981 CS is on 63K, 2/3 of that was the previous owner. I've not seen any passed that mileage apart from a few on here who have more miles on a car of similar age.

63k ? ! Time for a nice new 718

[JayK12]

HighwayStar said:

rockin said:

anonymous said:

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Passenger seat seems a good starting point, given the lad's a passenger and all that.

As for Boxster/Cayman "as a daily", I suspect that's exactly what most of them get used for.

I doubt it when you see the mileage on the majority previously enjoyed ones on sale. My 2013 981 CS is on 63K, 2/3 of that was the previous owner. I've not seen any passed that mileage apart from a few on here who have more miles on a car of similar age.

Same here, nearly 11K miles in three years in the GTS. Its a fun car for me not my daily.

[Ollie1977]

I’ve been watching this thread over the last couple of months. And I know lots of differences between the 981 and 718 camp. However what about the noise difference between the 2.0 and 2.5 f4? I’ve driven them all for some time; base, s and gts. And one observation I had, the 2.0 is less bassy, revs harder and generally sounds better. But of course that’s my opinion . Although the turbo can sound like a dishwasher on light throttle... but I generally enjoy the noise. Admittedly (as a 718 driver) it doesn’t sound as good as the f6of the 981.

[Budflicker]

I've been watching this thread and there are lots of comparisons between the 718 and 981 sounds. I'll be honest I prefer the sound of the 987R with PSE to either of them.

The 981 does sound great, in fact just like the 987R until it starts spitting out fake pops and farts.


The pops and farts sound fun for a while but then start to grate on me, oh and the 987 has better steering than them both as well.

Sometimes new isnt better.